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Mystery hidden fuse rant

landyacht318
Explorer
Explorer
My neighbor has a Class C, and 80% of the time, when on an outing, it is a pedestal queen. I do not recall the brand of RV but it is a 2010 Ford chassis.

Yesterday he asks me about his house batteries which "don't take a charge'

I have a quick gander, and they are 5+ year old paralleled group 27s marine batteries. All the battery connections are crusty green and white, Open ended ring terminals with the nylon insulation.

Not having any tools on me, I recommended he just get new batteries, as it was unlikely they had much usable capacity left, and he has an upcoming trip very soon, where he will not have a pedestal.

I recommended he take photos of the wires, Zip tie them together before removing the batteries, label them, and make sure to reconnect them in the same manner, as he wanted to replace them himself. Also to wire brush all the corrosion off, and smear them with grease after reattaching the cables

Anyway he still screwed it up, sparks flew, and now the new WW DC-27s were not charging, and none of the 12v devices are working unless the rig is plugged in. SO I get called. I find the new batteries at 12.56v.

We start the engine, and they are accepting 32 amps at Idle.

We plug in the RV, and 0 amps are making it from Wfco to battery, however the Wfco was powering 12v loads, well the 3.5 amps of lighting I was using as a load.

Disconnect AC power to RV, and no 12v accessories work.

From 12v distribution panel 8 awg cable goes to a small thermal self resetting circuit breaker, and from the same tab on the CB (current not going through the CB itself), the 8awg then goes to a Square Relay which I believe is the battery disconnect whose rocker switch is by the main door.

13.7V is getting to the relay when plugged in, but nothing coming out. No voltage on the other side of the relay.

So I place a jumper across the big terminals on the relay. Nada, but then the remote switch by the door does cause the relay to clunk when moved with jumper in place, but still no connection to house batteries.

So I follow the cable from this black box to where it disappears into a wiring loom and goes through the floor and there is a bunch of expando foam.

Underneath these looms reappear, and I probe here and do get battery voltage, all the way upto the floor/ foam.

I figure when he reverse polarity'd it, a fuse blew somewhere, but damned if I could find it. It was likely somewhere in the foam inside some split loom tubing, and invisible..

Anyway I had some 8awg tinned marine wire, and an 8 awg maxi fuse holder on hand. I fuse at the batteries, punch a hole through the expando foam and force the new 8awg upto the circuit breaker, basically using it as a junction. Now all the 12v loads work, and the Wfco is putting 10 amps into the batteries, and I start buttoning everything up.

Then the Wfco fan starts pulsing on and off, then just stops, and No more current to the batteries. It was getting 118Vac on the circuit board. No Voltage on the output.

So I got him to order an iota dls-45 but it will not arrive in time for his outing. I hooked up his transformer based manual Schumacher 2/10 amp charger to the batteries as they were obviously not fully charged. The Schumacher is a POS. 13.17v and 3.12 amps on the 10 amp setting. 0.43 amps on the 2 amp setting.

Anyway, The battery cabling was horrible. I can't believe they just crush open ended nylon crimps over the battery cables. No grease/ spray, protection of any kind. The Crimps looked like they were just crushed flat in a vice, and the nylon/plastic insulation was split and growing green fuzz like a Chia pet.

I can't believe the fuse for the distribution panel would be obscured deep within the foam inside the split loom tubing, several feet from the batteries, but the circuit was open somewhere in this region.

There is obviously an issue with the battery disconnect switch, and It is basically bypassed right now, So I told him he will have to remove the 50 AMP maxifuse I installed at the battery when he comes back.
He also had no Idea that batteries should be kept fully charged. In the past he just plugged in the Rv 24 hours before leaving, was one of those who thought the alternator is the instant magical battery charger and any undercharged battery could just be recharged at any time without ill effect .

Kind of amazing what is allowed to go out the doors. Cheapest parts joined together as cheaply as possible.

Rant over.
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fischer
Explorer
Explorer
WE really need to know the brand of RV because fleetwood products have a battery control center that controls everything and they ave re-settable ckt breakers inside.
Make sure you clean the ground connections (my ground goes to the frame and is bolted there.) With a bad ground you will have no 1ights when not plugged in, good luck
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landyacht318
Explorer
Explorer
2oldman wrote:
What is a 'pedestal queen?'


Power pedestal, not reliant on battery power, and where any dual purpose battery is good enough and fast recharges are not a concern.

I just can't see the point in placing a fuse in the middle of a wire, half way between the battery and power distribution center, and covering it with foam where it passes through the body.

Running a new cable from battery to power distribution fuse block seemed the only solution unless I wanted to rip apart cabinets, unravel miles of electrical tape and remove split loom tubing just to find the open circuit.

I think any ABYC inspector would have a field day in a mass produced RV.

jwmII
Explorer
Explorer
On most of the Class a, B, and Cs, gas chassis thru the 80s and in to the early 90s and possibly beyond there are a lot of hidden fuses back under the dash and out in the front end. RV builders had no standards as to where to place fuses especially on accessories like steps, wiring to storage compartment lights and so on. Many times this forces the running of all new wiring in order to get something up and running again. After fighting it out with a problem like this it is not necessary to suggest that fuses be located in more accessible areas.
jwmII

2oldman
Explorer II
Explorer II
What is a 'pedestal queen?'
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
Hi,

It is good that you were there for him.

One of my pet peeves is that in my RV the dash radio was wired to run from the house battery bank--with an inline fuse that is NOT documented.
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.