new Champion dual fuel INVERTER gen

[hbski]

My apologies if this has already been posted

CPE dual-fuel INVERTER gen @ Costco

[hbski]

mlts22 wrote:
More info here.

Three models, 71530, 71531, 71532, apparently all inverter based.

If these have the ability to have remote start, they would definitely be worth getting.

none of these appear to be inverter generators per CPEs site

[Kayteg1]

Too many choices and none really satisfying.
Honda EU3000 works perfect for RV with single AC, but too heavy for carrying around.
You can parallel two EU2000, but those have small tanks and will be louder, not to mention the hassle of starting 2 engines and dealing with extra wiring.
Coming to fuel, I have been running my lawnmower on over 1 years old gasoline. But Honda mower has pressurized tank and shut off valve, when before putting the engine for winter storage, I run the carburetor dry.
When in pressurized tank, or can gas is good for at least 2 years with no additives.
Than I think high propane use in engines is not only due the lower energy, but the fact that propane carburetors are still pretty primitive and waste lot of the fuel due to low efficiency.
For other comparison, I have build-in 4000W Generac in my coach, that will take 12 gallons of gasoline to power AC for 12hr.
Honda EU3000 will take 2.5 gallons for the same job.

[bikendan]

jake2250 wrote:

Kayteg1 wrote:
Notice the gasoline only version is $699
Anybody wants to buy slightly used Honda EU3000 ?

I am really thinking hard about putting my Honda 2000 up for sale and getting the 3100 Champion!!

same for me. if i go to a bigger trailer, this is definitely something i would do.

[bikendan]

2oldman wrote:

cmeade wrote:
Bought my 3800 watt Champion dual fuel at CW for $599..

Not the same thing.

x2!

[SaltiDawg]

Lot's of misleading and incorrect rhetoric.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

"Where's the nearest propane plant?"

Drive 12-miles over badly washboarded dirt, make a right, drive 45-miles, sometimes they close for no reason fill up then return. 114-miles just to get "gas"

I got tired of this is one big hurry. Pickup truck used LPG motor fuel. Had a pair of 83 gallon Manchester tanks mounted one atop the other. That's when one grade of gasoline was worse than the other down here. Mix that with sludgy rusty water and tah-dah, justification to switch to LPG fuel.

When a generator is used so infrequently stabilizer additive alone won't work, a person may want to ask themselves if having a generator is at all justified.

A jobsite carpenter or technician may put a propane generator to good use. Infrequent use. But run time limitation frequently makes LPG power generation as practical as power windows on a motor bike.

Then the dual-fuel option is not free to begin with. A very careful auditing of the realities of cost versus practicality is in order. Citing a house with a 500 gallon tank for generator power is quoting the laws of a different universe.

Overall cost totals for generator purchase, lifespan, maintenance, cost of warranty or repairs, fuel all add up to X money factor per kWh totals. i.e. the couple who paid thousands for an onboard Onan option, did not use it for years on end, then discovered the engine seized and generator interior corroded. That kind of illogic is pure fruitcake.

This is the nuthouse grade thinking that drives folks to install many hundreds of dollars worth of golf car batteries in a rig that spends 99.9999% of its life connected to a power pedestal.

Folks passed through here last summer. Generator wouldn't crank. They never boondock. Further research revealed their F550 tow rig had a PAIR of factory 270-amp alternators. When I suggested installing a beefy true sine wave inverter and foregoing the generator, they looked at me and remarked "Oh we couldn't do thaaaaat! We'd never use it" "Uh, how much did your generator cost?" But thaaaaaaaat's different!" "How many hours did you run the generator since last December?" "We've never started it" Then how the hell did you discover that it wouldn't start?" "Well Harold caught a cold and we were sitting at the dinette and there it was, the generator remote start button"

I departed strumming my index finger across my lips...

[Larryect]

Makes sense they would use more propane. I believe the BTU ratings per gallon is less with propane.

I hate dealing with gasoline. It doesn't store well, and I don't use it in my cars. So, I don't have a way to keep it fresh.

So, my generator is tri-fuel - gasoline, propane or natural gas. I don't use it a lot, but I have 20 year old propane that runs it just fine.

[mlts22]

Generators being quite thirsty for propane is definitely true. However, at a house, one can have a few 20# cylinders laying around for a barbecue drill, and if stored out of the weather, can provide fuel many years later. Stash gasoline for six months, and it is carb rebuild time.

At a cabin with a fairly large propane tank permanently mounted, it works well enough for a weekend there in the summer.

When out boondocking, it provides a nice safety factor... four hours on a 20# bottle may not sound like much... but it is nice to have that.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Wanna see a real "Oinker"?

Power an air-cooled engine with LPG. Here's an example.

A 37.5 horsepower V4 Wisconsin engine on LPG. FOUR POINT ONE SIX GALLONS (that's liquid) LPG per H-O-U-R

An ONAN water cooled 4 cyl engine same part number generator, same load, THREE POINT TWO TWO gallons per hour.

Five WAYNE Road Brooms for CalTrans. Same thing. Wisconsin V4. They would not sweep eight hours on twenty gallons of LPG. Sacramento, verified all Wayne road brooms running LPG ate like a Bulgarian in a Pizza contest.

I brought a thoroughly used 2.5 Kw Onan to Mexico (same place as the camping beach) and sold it for $500 without the pot. I warned the good doctor the thing ate propane butane like a starving wolf eats rabbits. A week later he wanted his money back. The same guy who propped up my Servel (sold to him) on milk crates. He went away for 2-weeks came back and found the refrigerator laying on it's side WITH LIT BURNER. He wanted a refund for that too.

Air cooled engines and liquefied petroleum don't like each other. Or, is that they like each other too much?

[DrewE]

mlts22 wrote:
More info here.

Three models, 71530, 71531, 71532, apparently all inverter based.

If these have the ability to have remote start, they would definitely be worth getting.

According to the Champion web site you linked, they come with a wireless remote start fob (and, of course, an electric start system to go with it). That's true at least for the general market model; possibly the Costco variant has differing features.

[mlts22]

More info here.

Three models, 71530, 71531, 71532, apparently all inverter based.

If these have the ability to have remote start, they would definitely be worth getting.

[Larryect]

Very nice.

[time2roll]

Are there any OEM dual fuel portable generators beside this little gem?

[Kayteg1]

MrWizard wrote:

So all comparisons between different generators aka machines can be uniformly compared

This is not going to work when 1 manufacturer will list the noise at 25% load, other at 100%
I know, I know, salesmen mumbo-jumbo is nothing new and I was pointing into poor English the description is showing.