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The Muffin Fan! The Muffin Fan!

MEXICOWANDERER
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Pathetic. I don't even know the right way to measure the mm size. Along the straight square edges the fan measures 60 mm square end-to-end all four sides on the Megawatt fan.

The label on the fan claims .19 amperes. Around a two watt draw. Brushless, no info therefore sleeve bearing.

How the hell can a .19 ampere (60) mm fan move any air? This too can be classified as pathetic. I chopped out the entire fan grille on both fans. Trashed.

Now what? Sikorsky grade 60 mm fans for each of the Megawatts? I've got very little room between the stacked Megawatts so a fat fan is not in the works.

Ninerbikes promised to post a raft of my images for an inside look at the Megawatt 400-watt model. There you can see why a fatter fan is improbable. Inductor, caps. transformers, and vertical ceramic resistors hog the vertical room inside.

This leaves me in the market for a "Sky Crane" grade of fan to replace the Chung King original. Brushless, ball bearings, and aggressive blade pitch rather than 10,000 RPM to move a lot of air. Db is worth zero. I could care less if the best fan is an 80 db fan. This is a battery charger not a pipe organ.

But I need help to find the best replacement fan. Everyone is paranoid about noise. I am paranoid about smoke.

It is a testament to the design of the Megawatt that those TO-247 bi-polar transistors can hold up with "virtually no heat sinking". If that Megawatt case is supposed to be an adequate heat sink, I am a penguin.

But that garbage-can fan has got to go! I need to order a pair of really really good fans. I am going to "carry on" with the heat sinking project. I don't even know if I measured those fans correctly.

Four liquid cooled heatsinks? This is a BORG cube, not the GLOMAR EXPLORER. I don't want US Customs pulling automatic weapons and flash bangs on me if I get secondaried.

I have no idea when NinerBikes is going to post that photo album. It might be a good idea to save it to disk.

Next up is a photo essay on how to solder 10-turn pot leads to the two teensy tabs on the original pot. With one hand. Meaning I have some tips and tricks up my sleeve that may make this a simple task for the timid. We'll wait and see. It costs a veritable fortune to text photo messages internationally for both sender and the recipient. And Niner cannot use WhatsApp.
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MEXICOWANDERER
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Going to straight-edge across the top of the case, caliper some depth clearance measurements and take images of caliper readings. Apparently NinerBikes is busy and could not post images of the Megawatt 400 internals - yet.
But the straight edge measurement images will allow folks to see and know case depth clearance. I can only sigh and hope someone thinks the effort is worth a sticky. Download and save to drive as a reference if you wish. I don't know when Niner can post images but I will share this with you - sending the images is costing me more than thirty dollars in international telephone rates.

MEXICOWANDERER
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My own BORG drone!
It even has a power cord but then I guess I should order a ring laser gyro and a longer power cord. Oh dang, where am I supposed to mount the altimeter?

I can see it now - plug it in and will scuttle away like a crab.

joebedford
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215MPH!

Vixen21
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Now if you REALLY want to cool things off the 97-98 Lincoln Mark VIII fan pushes over 4000 CFM

MEXICOWANDERER
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Cut N Paste

heh-heh-heh-heh...

"The Delta 120 x 38mm Super Extreme High-Speed Fan is an outrageously high performance fan that moves over 240 cubic feet of air every minute. It also has an amazing near 4:1 airflow to noise ratio. This fan is a great choice for cooling components that heat up to temperatures similar to that of the sun's core."

MEXICOWANDERER
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You know those stiff plastic mesh (very dark gray) rectangular scrub pads? That's the plan. Sprayed with silicone lube on one side and slapped to the vertical fans intakes. Thanks Big Katuna.

It's real easy to think this is ridiculous level overkill. Until you come down here and find out when something fails you're screwed. Zero workarounds. Do you like paying two hundred thirteen dollars for a ten amp manual Schauer battery charger? Yes? Come on down! GC220 batteries? A year on the shelf? Si? Fork over a hundred ninety four dollars each.

That charger is going to be fast-filling a Lifeline that won't burp while swallowing a hundred amp charge rate. When the power comes back on for 55 minutes and the BiPAP battery is low, sonny, if you can't charge it, you screwed. CFE has a habit of fixing a line problem for several hours, reconnecting for a temporary zap then disconnecting for another several hours.

Who ya gonna complain to? Ya gotta be smarter than the problem.

Big_Katuna
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With that much volume you might want to consider some type of filter to limit dust accumulation.
My Kharma ran over my Dogma.

joebedford
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Use a radiator out of an old Toyota.

MEXICOWANDERER
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Mig welder faulted it's wire feeder. Out of bullets heliarcing finned heatsinks to spacer blocks for the Bi-Polar transistors. The case thermal dissipation is going to see a RUDE vertical upward ride. Multiple modified TO247 device heatsinks are going to flank the big sinks. I am still going to use Godzilla grade internal fans. 2X120mm vertically stacked fans. I am chewing my lower lip over the case top fans. I might get ------ off enough to mount A PAIR of fans on the roof. Cut a second hole. Hole saw a pair of 1/2" diameter inlet holes alongside the rear case Bipolar's. When I throw a hissy-fit I do not screw around.

Thanks Landy for the fan links and thanks EVERYBODY for the suggestions. I am now going to order four ball bearing brushless fans. I already have the 120mm fans and they will levitate themselves off the workbench so they are not wimpy. Nine watts each.

When I get done those Megas are likely to catch pneumonia. They ain't going out via heatstroke, that I will guarantee.

MEXICOWANDERER
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Big Katuna wrote:
Have you measured any temperatures on the devices? Mostly rated for 90 degree C junction temps which is pretty hot. Too hot to touch.

Just a little air movement is needed to break up the laminar air flow.


Dang! My error. I failed to explain this right. High junction temperature radiates lots of BTU's. Where my knees start knocking is when I read jim in Denver's report of unplanned Megawatt demise.

Landy's cheapo obviously burned out more than the bi-polar devices after he overload-waterboarded it. one stupid resistor, one IC, one ANYTHING fails and I am left something worth only hurling at barking dogs. Moonshot mentality must prevail here. It's an expensive attitude. A 400-amp rated shottky isolation rectifier, a mil-spec electroswitch that cost more than 100 dollars thirty years ago (SOLID silver contacts) Bourne A grade 100,000 cycle precision pots. Hospital green dot power cord. All low and high voltage pilot lights are mil-spec LED. A killer transient voltage protection package.

The Mega can digest a very wide input voltage and frequency range without so much as a hiccup.

Wait until Niner posts my images. The stupid circuit board has circulation vents BELOW it but no flow path to pass thermal to the upper chamber. Maybe they want to keep circuit traces cool?

Electronics are a lot like automatic transmissions. The cooler the better. Component lifespan and working temperature go hand in hand.

I have not dismounted the OEM fan, but for sure (?) it is sleeve type? I forgot to ask this a dozen posts ago. Ralph Scheidler of Sure Power educated me about forced draft induction and forced air exhaust cooling efficiency decades ago. Screw pushing bore columns of air is a hell of a lot different than relying on 14.7 PSI absurd max theorecticals pushing it. Light a match behind the fan and go Oooooooo.

MEXICOWANDERER
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BurceMc,

Yeah but I don't have three-phase available. But I like your level of humor. if I could find a centrifugal blower big enough, I'd plug in in and levitate the BORG up to my hotel room.

landyacht318
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This 70mm x 10mm fan moves 28.93 cfm:

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/19957/fan-1255/Evercool_70mm_x_10mm_High_Speed_Fan_EC7010HH12CA.ht...

Here is a link to Delta's 70x15mm fan. Don;t know if it will fit, but it appears to be the strongest possible dual ball bearing fan which 'might' fit with a bigger hole cut out for it.

This is likely the most palatable price on a high speed dual ball bearing fan which Might fit.
http://www.amazon.com/DELTA-BRUSHLESS-AFB0712HHB-3-WIRE-70x15mm/dp/B0045JPH2I

I think my Google Fu has reached its limits.

Hope this helps and that a 70x15MM fan can be made to work inside the megawatt.

rexlion
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All the good muffin fans are on Strawberry Lane. ๐Ÿ˜‰
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BruceMc
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