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Valence U1-12RT Lithium Battery

NRALIFR
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Anybody have any direct experience with these?



I was recently given two Valence U-Charge U1-12RT 40AH battery modules that were salvaged out of some hospital med carts. Iโ€™m not sure how old they are because I canโ€™t make sense of the serial number tag.

These are (were?) marketed as โ€œdrop in replacementโ€ for lead acid batteries, and each one has its own built-in BMS, and a pair of communication cables so they can talk to each other over an RS-485 interface.

The charging specs suggest that I could use my camper battery charger or my Redarc DC-DC charger on them, as both top out at 14.6. Iโ€™m not really concerned about the float voltage because Iโ€™d probably not have them connected to a charger all the time. Iโ€™ve only had time to play with them a short while, but they charged up till my Vector charger said they were โ€œFullโ€, then held 13.3 for several days.

I have them paralleled right now, and Iโ€™m running them down with a small MSW inverter and a 150 watt heater. The user guide talks more about connecting them in series than parallel, and Iโ€™m not sure the communication cables even need to be connected when they are paralleled. According to the documentation, there is a Battery Discharge Indicator (BDI) and a diagnostic kit for these batteries, but I havenโ€™t had time to find out if they are still available. My understanding of the User Guide however is that the BDI is required for a series connection.

Iโ€™m not sure what to do with these yet, and I donโ€™t think Iโ€™d want to replace my group 31 AGM battery in the camper with these just yet. What about connecting them as a secondary battery bank on a four position battery switch ( Batt 1/Batt 2/ 1+2 / Off ). Due to their small size, I could make a place to stash them inside the camper without too much trouble. They could possibly be a good source of overnight power (especially in the winter) that I wouldnโ€™t have to worry about running them down below 50%.

U1-12RT Data Sheet

Valence RT User Manual


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NRALIFR
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I finally figured out the date code on these batteries after realizing thereโ€™s a printing error on the page of the User Guide that breaks down the serial number. The example serial number has too much space between the fields, so they donโ€™t line up with the field descriptors.



Both batteries have the same date codes (138) so I believe these batteries were both built in the 13th week of 2008.



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2001 Lance 1121 on a 2016 F450 โ€˜Scuse me while I whinge.
And for all you Scooby-Doo and Yosemite Sam typesโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆ..Letโ€™s Go Brandon!!!

NRALIFR
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Well if Zia says itโ€™s bad, itโ€™s BAD! :E

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2001 Lance 1121 on a 2016 F450 โ€˜Scuse me while I whinge.
And for all you Scooby-Doo and Yosemite Sam typesโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆ..Letโ€™s Go Brandon!!!

2oldman
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NRALIFR wrote:
Not sure what to tell you. Thatโ€™s supposed to be a link to manualslib.com. It opens for me without the warning.
It opens, but after a few pages I got the scary warning. Zia was scared too. ๐Ÿ™‚
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

NRALIFR
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2oldman wrote:
NRALIFR wrote:
Valence RT User Manual
DO NOT click this. I got a phony Windows corruption warning.


Not sure what to tell you. Thatโ€™s supposed to be a link to manualslib.com. It opens for me without the warning. Hereโ€™s the manual on another site, but I would have sworn that manualslib.com was the safer site to link.

Valence RT User Guide

:):)
2001 Lance 1121 on a 2016 F450 โ€˜Scuse me while I whinge.
And for all you Scooby-Doo and Yosemite Sam typesโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆ..Letโ€™s Go Brandon!!!

NRALIFR
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Yeah, just trying to get an idea of what kind of capacity they have with the two of them paralleled.

I donโ€™t have a DC amp meter that can handle more than 10 amps, but if I can trust the numbers from the Kill A Watt meter, I think I was putting about a 12 amp DC load on it. It ran for about 5.5 hours. The battery voltage mustโ€™ve gotten down to 10 volts (under load) because the BMS shut it off.

This is before I unplugged the batteries from the inverter. (0.833 volts DC)



As soon as I unplugged the batteries, the voltage jumped up to 11.22 volts. I guess the BMS is working :B



Iโ€™ll cycle them a few times and see what their trend is.

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2001 Lance 1121 on a 2016 F450 โ€˜Scuse me while I whinge.
And for all you Scooby-Doo and Yosemite Sam typesโ€ฆโ€ฆโ€ฆ..Letโ€™s Go Brandon!!!

2oldman
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Explorer II
NRALIFR wrote:
Valence RT User Manual
DO NOT click this. I got a phony Windows corruption warning.
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

FWC
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It sounds like you are already running a capacity test, if they still have reasonable capacity (say > 35Ah per battery) then hook them up and use them. They are high quality batteries. There is no issue with running lithium batteries in parallel, and unless you have a 24V system, you wouldn't want to run them in series.

2oldman
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Looks like a few good youtube vids on them. I'd be sure to check on the parallel connecting. Not always recommended for Li's.
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman