2017 F-450 Super Ike Gaunlet

[Travlingman]

Super Ike

[Cummins12V98]

Threebigfords wrote:
You mean just like the Rams without the factory air bags?

I can't say I share your belief. Here's my F350 SRW with stock rear springs, just a taller rear block, no air bags. With a 4000lb camper in it putting it 2000lbs over its 9990 GVWR. Doesn't seem to be sagging to me.

So you did modify to make it sit like it does? How about a pic unloaded. Curious did you actually scale truck then truck with camper to determine 4K camper weight?

[Cummins12V98]

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

rowekmr wrote:
Frankly I am impressed that Ford has built a truck that has been tested to pull such loads even up an incline. Now I know hot shots have been doing this for awhile heck my buddy with a Ram 3500 DRW took me on a trip where he had 2 F350 Platinums and a Ford crossover on his 4 car trailer so he routinely tows in that realm completely stock but I am sure over his factory ratings.

My only experience with the 6.7l is hauling RV trailers for a short time (in a F250) but my trailers never were over 15k so doubling that load is a impressive feat to me.
Depending on the circumstances though as some others pointed out I probably would want a MDT at least to pull 30K but for someone who needs a DD its good to know that their people hauler/grocery getter can also tow 30K when needed! The only downside to me is price. That MSRP would send me into sticker shock/cardiac arrest for sure.

Sometimes it takes a RAM to get the ford's to the Dealer. :B

What RV hauler? I can't get past that hideous mirror! :E

When someone can't reply with something rational they usually start criticizing to distract from the facts presented. 😉

BTW I really like the mirrors. They are rock solid even towing at 75. I DON'T like them in the stored position because it places the spot in a vertical position and is not as easy to use.

[Cummins12V98]

FishOnOne wrote:

Me Again wrote:
Rating of springs is more than the thickness of the leafs! There are all sorts of things with a spring leaf that effects in weight carrying ability.

I fact that More F450's get bagged vs another truck is a good indicator for the springs ability to carry weight.

Chris

I've never seen a F450 that has air springs and in the '17 Super Duty pulling 30k lbs shows no sign of needing air springs either.

As I said before EVERY 450 that I saw at the DRV Factory had bags. I am sure this will change with the 17's.

[cummins2014]

blofgren wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

rowekmr wrote:
Frankly I am impressed that Ford has built a truck that has been tested to pull such loads even up an incline. Now I know hot shots have been doing this for awhile heck my buddy with a Ram 3500 DRW took me on a trip where he had 2 F350 Platinums and a Ford crossover on his 4 car trailer so he routinely tows in that realm completely stock but I am sure over his factory ratings.

My only experience with the 6.7l is hauling RV trailers for a short time (in a F250) but my trailers never were over 15k so doubling that load is a impressive feat to me.
Depending on the circumstances though as some others pointed out I probably would want a MDT at least to pull 30K but for someone who needs a DD its good to know that their people hauler/grocery getter can also tow 30K when needed! The only downside to me is price. That MSRP would send me into sticker shock/cardiac arrest for sure.

Sometimes it takes a RAM to get the ford's to the Dealer. :B

What RV hauler? I can't get past that hideous mirror! :E

Pretty weak comeback, Fish. :R

Oh !! But so true, they are terrible mirrors compared to my previous Superduty

[FishOnOne]

Threebigfords wrote:
So by your logic the newer truck should be squatting like crazy with 2500lbs of tools leveraged a full 8ft off the back of the bed. This was before I added air bags as well.





I installed them recently but have yet to use them. I fully expect to put a few pounds in them if needed when hauling the mini-ex plus the tool load.

I just ordered a new PJ low-pro bumper pull dump trailer 7x16 14k lbs. I fully expect to see 2000lbs of tongue weight on occasion. I'll post up a pick with it in 6 weeks or so when it comes in. That should put the truck over the 4779lb payload rating by a few hundred pounds.

Wow... That's a really nice setup there. You must be some type of carpenter?

[4x4ord]

2000 lbs of tongue weight is 2000lbs of payload. If the wheel base is approx 160" and the distance from the center of the rear axle to the center of the trailer ball hitch is say 60" then the weight that 2000 lbs tongue weight would add to the rear axle is 2750 lbs. So the 2000 lb tongue load would add 2750 to the rear axle and cause 750 lbs to be removed from the front axle.

[Threebigfords]

So by your logic the newer truck should be squatting like crazy with 2500lbs of tools leveraged a full 8ft off the back of the bed. This was before I added air bags as well.





I installed them recently but have yet to use them. I fully expect to put a few pounds in them if needed when hauling the mini-ex plus the tool load.

I just ordered a new PJ low-pro bumper pull dump trailer 7x16 14k lbs. I fully expect to see 2000lbs of tongue weight on occasion. I'll post up a pick with it in 6 weeks or so when it comes in. That should put the truck over the 4779lb payload rating by a few hundred pounds.

[Threebigfords]

Had to add another 1000lbs of toungue weight on a 4' supertruss extension before it even started to look like it needed bags.

[Threebigfords]

You mean just like the Rams without the factory air bags?

I can't say I share your belief. Here's my F350 SRW with stock rear springs, just a taller rear block, no air bags. With a 4000lb camper in it putting it 2000lbs over its 9990 GVWR. Doesn't seem to be sagging to me.

[SoCalDesertRid1]

Practically all Fords need either air bags, more leaves, or overload bump stop extenders to keep from squatting too deep when loaded to their GVWR and/or RGAWR.

I've had several Fords and they all exhibit the same problem: rear springs way too soft for the truck's payload capacity. All mine were upgraded with aftermarket heavy duty rear leaf packs to fix the situation.

[FishOnOne]

blofgren wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

rowekmr wrote:
Frankly I am impressed that Ford has built a truck that has been tested to pull such loads even up an incline. Now I know hot shots have been doing this for awhile heck my buddy with a Ram 3500 DRW took me on a trip where he had 2 F350 Platinums and a Ford crossover on his 4 car trailer so he routinely tows in that realm completely stock but I am sure over his factory ratings.

My only experience with the 6.7l is hauling RV trailers for a short time (in a F250) but my trailers never were over 15k so doubling that load is a impressive feat to me.
Depending on the circumstances though as some others pointed out I probably would want a MDT at least to pull 30K but for someone who needs a DD its good to know that their people hauler/grocery getter can also tow 30K when needed! The only downside to me is price. That MSRP would send me into sticker shock/cardiac arrest for sure.

Sometimes it takes a RAM to get the ford's to the Dealer. :B

What RV hauler? I can't get past that hideous mirror! :E

Pretty weak comeback, Fish. :R

I wasn't trying to impress!

[blofgren]

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

rowekmr wrote:
Frankly I am impressed that Ford has built a truck that has been tested to pull such loads even up an incline. Now I know hot shots have been doing this for awhile heck my buddy with a Ram 3500 DRW took me on a trip where he had 2 F350 Platinums and a Ford crossover on his 4 car trailer so he routinely tows in that realm completely stock but I am sure over his factory ratings.

My only experience with the 6.7l is hauling RV trailers for a short time (in a F250) but my trailers never were over 15k so doubling that load is a impressive feat to me.
Depending on the circumstances though as some others pointed out I probably would want a MDT at least to pull 30K but for someone who needs a DD its good to know that their people hauler/grocery getter can also tow 30K when needed! The only downside to me is price. That MSRP would send me into sticker shock/cardiac arrest for sure.

Sometimes it takes a RAM to get the ford's to the Dealer. :B

What RV hauler? I can't get past that hideous mirror! :E

Pretty weak comeback, Fish. :R

[FishOnOne]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

rowekmr wrote:
Frankly I am impressed that Ford has built a truck that has been tested to pull such loads even up an incline. Now I know hot shots have been doing this for awhile heck my buddy with a Ram 3500 DRW took me on a trip where he had 2 F350 Platinums and a Ford crossover on his 4 car trailer so he routinely tows in that realm completely stock but I am sure over his factory ratings.

My only experience with the 6.7l is hauling RV trailers for a short time (in a F250) but my trailers never were over 15k so doubling that load is a impressive feat to me.
Depending on the circumstances though as some others pointed out I probably would want a MDT at least to pull 30K but for someone who needs a DD its good to know that their people hauler/grocery getter can also tow 30K when needed! The only downside to me is price. That MSRP would send me into sticker shock/cardiac arrest for sure.

Sometimes it takes a RAM to get the ford's to the Dealer. :B

What RV hauler? I can't get past that hideous mirror! :E

[FishOnOne]

Me Again wrote:
Rating of springs is more than the thickness of the leafs! There are all sorts of things with a spring leaf that effects in weight carrying ability.

I fact that More F450's get bagged vs another truck is a good indicator for the springs ability to carry weight.

Chris

I've never seen a F450 that has air springs and in the '17 Super Duty pulling 30k lbs shows no sign of needing air springs either.

[Threebigfords]

You have numbers to back that up? Or is that just more guesswork. I deal in facts when looking at trucks.

I never said the F450 springs were rated higher. I'm simply correcting misleading info about the F450 written by people who don't know anything about them.

I have no doubt that the Ram is a very capable truck. I even like the styling, and interiors. I like the factory optional air leveling suspension. But when folks start claiming things like the F450 has many components that are smaller then the Ram, or that the spring pack is the same as the Ram but with fewer leafs, I feel obligated to point out the facts.

Here's a fact for you:

The latest thread on sagging rear suspension is about a 2016 Ram 3500, that can't maintain the same level ride of the 2500 he replaced it with without the air ride suspension.

http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/28993408.cfm