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sac89
Explorer
Explorer
So my TT is going on 3 years old now, used several times a year, nothing crazy, and I am about to install my third 30 plug head. As I hold the plug in my hand, prongs facing me, the one on the left side has twice scorched. This last time, it was also loose.

I don't know if it is the quality of the replacement head the service center installed, or if I have an issue with the cord or wiring in the TT itself. The factory installed plug lasted 2 seasons, and this second one lasted a few outings. I am about to replace it with my third.

I plug it into 30 amp sockets at campgrounds, I plug it into the 30 amp slot on my generator when needed (did not use the generator this year), and I do occasionally put on the 110 adaptor to plug it in at the house.

Any thoughts as to what could be the cause of this issue?
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arkie_guide
Explorer
Explorer
Are you sure the cap and the trailer are polarized ? it makes a world of difference you know.I have never burnt one up all my 50 yrs + of using trailers. Just check from cord cap to panel and see if neutral is in the right place and when you get to a campground check the polarity at the pedistal before you plug in.

myredracer
Explorer II
Explorer II
The only breakers designed & UL/CSA approved for switching duty are 15 & 20 amp for lighting circuits and are marked "SWD". The type of breaker in a pedestal are lab tested for 10,000 endurance mechanical operations in order to meet UL/CSA requirements (6K are at the breaker's rating).

Pedestal breakers usually only see a few amps when first plugged in and the no. of on/off operations they see won't hurt them. What reduces a breaker's life is tripping on overloads and worst, on short circuits (esp. if near it's fault current rating). Pedestal breakers however are subjected to temp. & humidity extremes and sometimes airborne contaminants (for ex., salt air near the ocean) not seen in buildings which contribute to a shorter life.

Life expectancy is generally considered to be around 30 years in buildings (see Schneider info. for ex.). There aren't any codes or standards covering it, there's many variables affecting it and there's little failure rate data around. Breakers are supposed to hold their rated current indefinitely and be resettable and if not, need replacing.

Who knows what expected life in a pedestal is before it won't hold it's rated current or won't reset - perhaps 10-20 years, or less? The pedestal below is the worst I've ever seen and the entire CG of 300 +/- sites next to the ocean was like that. Despite being 50+ years old and in bad shape, the authorities can't make an owner replace or repair them.

Lynnmor
Explorer
Explorer
dodge guy wrote:
And most breakers aren’t designed to be a switch! Just a circuit interrupter. Constantly tripping it will wear it out resulting in no protection or constant false trips. Not many breakers are switchable!


What you say is true, but unless we install an inline switch it is still better than using the plug as a switch. I have been using a circuit breaker as a switch for my five horsepower air compressor for the past 32 years with no failure, and that is severe duty.

time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
When turning wrenches to pay rent we used the breakers to switch all items on for the day and off at night. Mostly lighting but did include the large air compressor. The place was 20+ years old and never an issue doing this 360 days a year.

dodge_guy
Explorer II
Explorer II
And most breakers aren’t designed to be a switch! Just a circuit interrupter. Constantly tripping it will wear it out resulting in no protection or constant false trips. Not many breakers are switchable!
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myredracer
Explorer II
Explorer II
2oldman wrote:
Lynnmor wrote:
It seems to me that turning off the breaker at the post would be much easier than the way you do it.
Of course it is. I've been to one campground (Farewell Bend in OR) where they post a sign saying "Leave Breakers on". I find that weird.


Newer pedestals have a manufacturer's label on pedestals that tell you to turn the breaker off before inserting a plug. Just at a CG with new pedestals that have a label that says:

Turn disconnecting switch or circuit breaker off before inserting or removing plug. Plug must be fully inserted or removed.

2oldman
Explorer II
Explorer II
time2roll wrote:
Because people too often make the host come out and fix the problem with no power in the RV.
Well, that is a surprise to me. Seriously..they don't know that?
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

dodge_guy
Explorer II
Explorer II
Lynnmor wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
I only encounterd one burnt 30A outlet in a campground. Other 30A outlets were just broken. I too have a 50-30A connector that I use when there is a 50A available.

I never turn the breakers off. If your arcing when plugging in then you have left something on. Mine doesn’t arc. Been doing it this way for years with no issues.


It seems to me that turning off the breaker at the post would be much easier than the way you do it. Opening the breaker panel door and flipping all your breakers off in your RV must be a pain. Of course you already know that is the only way to shut down the converter.

Folks this is why the you have bad connections that burn your plugs.


Nope. They all stay on. That very small draw only kicks on after it gets plugged in. It’s not instantaneous like a water heater would be.

And the connection burnt from the inside due to poor crimping. Not from plugging in.
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time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
2oldman wrote:
Lynnmor wrote:
It seems to me that turning off the breaker at the post would be much easier than the way you do it.
Of course it is. I've been to one campground (Farewell Bend in OR) where they post a sign saying "Leave Breakers on". I find that weird.
Because people too often make the host come out and fix the problem with no power in the RV.

2oldman
Explorer II
Explorer II
Lynnmor wrote:
It seems to me that turning off the breaker at the post would be much easier than the way you do it.
Of course it is. I've been to one campground (Farewell Bend in OR) where they post a sign saying "Leave Breakers on". I find that weird.
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

Lynnmor
Explorer
Explorer
dodge guy wrote:
I only encounterd one burnt 30A outlet in a campground. Other 30A outlets were just broken. I too have a 50-30A connector that I use when there is a 50A available.

I never turn the breakers off. If your arcing when plugging in then you have left something on. Mine doesn’t arc. Been doing it this way for years with no issues.


It seems to me that turning off the breaker at the post would be much easier than the way you do it. Opening the breaker panel door and flipping all your breakers off in your RV must be a pain. Of course you already know that is the only way to shut down the converter.

Folks this is why the you have bad connections that burn your plugs.

2oldman
Explorer II
Explorer II
D.E.Bishop wrote:
The following is a quote from 2oldman's post, I think I understand what he meant but if he meant using a 30 amp outlet at home is suspect, he is wrong, mine is better than 99 percent of campground outlets."At the house is also suspect if you're running air."
OP said he was running a 20a socket adapter at the house.
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

stevemorris
Explorer
Explorer
a good practise is to ensure everything is off when you plug in the rv, especially the water heater and ac.

this will prevent the arcing when inserting the plug, the blades on your cord will last much longer
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dodge_guy
Explorer II
Explorer II
I only encounterd one burnt 30A outlet in a campground. Other 30A outlets were just broken. I too have a 50-30A connector that I use when there is a 50A available.

I never turn the breakers off. If your arcing when plugging in then you have left something on. Mine doesn’t arc. Been doing it this way for years with no issues.
Wife Kim
Son Brandon 17yrs
Daughter Marissa 16yrs
Dog Bailey

12 Forest River Georgetown 350TS Hellwig sway bars, BlueOx TrueCenter stabilizer

13 Ford Explorer Roadmaster Stowmaster 5000, VIP Tow>
A bad day camping is
better than a good day at work!