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[4x4ord]

When I bought my first F350 back in 2011 I felt there were a number of little things that made Ford a better choice for me than what GM and Ram were offering. Things like power tow mirrors, tail gate step, storage compartments, power acc outlets, a much more heavy duty front end. I haven't kept up with all the changes in the new trucks but I know there are fewer things now that Ford has that the others don't. What I'm aware of is the dual panel sun roof and power mirrors. Ram has the air ride suspension and nicer hips on the dually and the mega cab ... does it have a tailgate step? All three manufacturers offer incredible powertrains. Is there anything that GM has the others don't? In the latest HD diesel 1 tons from the big three what features are available or missing on the different brands?

[blofgren]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

ExxWhy wrote:
Perfect if they would slide back in towards the door and stay vertical. Bet you a hamburger they change them on the 5th gen redesign in a few years. 🙂

Mine already do.

I can say without absolutely any doubt that the large trailer tow mirrors on my 2012 F150 XLT work truck are MUCH better than the ones on my 2013 Ram 3500. The rest of the Ram is awesome so I’m quite confused and disappointed that they haven’t come up with something better.

[Huntindog]

lenr wrote:
Fundamentally warranty coverage and warranty repair approval comes down to a marketing decision. Ford is the largest seller and GM was just coming out of bankruptcy when the CP4 pumps came on the scene--both their marketing departments were doing the math and making a decision. I have read of (supposedly) actual cases over on www.thedieselstop.com (Ford forum) where the Ma and Pa station had algae and water in their fuel and another where the lazy delivery truck driver didn't adequately flush the ethanol out of the truck tank before loading diesel. Doesn't matter--water, DEF, gasoline, or ethanol in the fuel is going to blow the pump. From memory the NHSTA numbers were .06%, 6 in 10,000--and Ford repaired some of those. Yes, it would suck if it happened to you. But, I give every fuel stop the 10 second fresh fuel evaluation--does it look high volume and how desperate am I for fuel? And, I get a receipt for every tank of fuel so I could go back on station insurance if there is a problem. Also, some have gotten the repair paid for by comprehensive vehicle insurance when warranty was denied.

IIRCC, NHSTA figures are warranty numbers. At least that is what it seems to read, and I DO remember some discussion as to just what that would do to the numbers of GM failures compared to Fords. Of course since Ford was denying claims, and GM was not.... That would show up in GMs higher failure rate that the NHSTA numbers showed.... We had a big discussion about it, but could never nail down just what the impact was.... Only that there was an impact.

[lenr]

Fundamentally warranty coverage and warranty repair approval comes down to a marketing decision. Ford is the largest seller and GM was just coming out of bankruptcy when the CP4 pumps came on the scene--both their marketing departments were doing the math and making a decision. I have read of (supposedly) actual cases over on www.thedieselstop.com (Ford forum) where the Ma and Pa station had algae and water in their fuel and another where the lazy delivery truck driver didn't adequately flush the ethanol out of the truck tank before loading diesel. Doesn't matter--water, DEF, gasoline, or ethanol in the fuel is going to blow the pump. From memory the NHSTA numbers were .06%, 6 in 10,000--and Ford repaired some of those. Yes, it would suck if it happened to you. But, I give every fuel stop the 10 second fresh fuel evaluation--does it look high volume and how desperate am I for fuel? And, I get a receipt for every tank of fuel so I could go back on station insurance if there is a problem. Also, some have gotten the repair paid for by comprehensive vehicle insurance when warranty was denied.

[Me_Again]

ExxWhy wrote:
Perfect if they would slide back in towards the door and stay vertical. Bet you a hamburger they change them on the 5th gen redesign in a few years. 🙂

All they need to do is bring back the 3rd gen heads as they worked better in the down position.

Power folding works great, I do it all the time in parking lots and in the car port. Chris

[Cummins12V98]

ExxWhy wrote:
Perfect if they would slide back in towards the door and stay vertical. Bet you a hamburger they change them on the 5th gen redesign in a few years. 🙂

Mine already do.

[MFL]

ExxWhy wrote:
Perfect if they would slide back in towards the door and stay vertical. Bet you a hamburger they change them on the 5th gen redesign in a few years. 🙂

Not even bad looking, if just slid back in. You are likely right, they will telescope, next gen, like Ford. A fellow once said "you should not buy a truck just because of the mirrors", but who would want to spend 60K+, and not have best available mirrors, on a vehicle mostly used for towing? 😉

Jerry

[ExxWhy]

Perfect if they would slide back in towards the door and stay vertical. Bet you a hamburger they change them on the 5th gen redesign in a few years. 🙂

[Cummins12V98]

RAM Mirror options. My choice #2. Spot works in first pic but not that great.

[All_I_could_aff]

They are all pretty awesome trucks! Think back 20 years ago about what the nicest, most powerful, heaviest duty pick up was. 200 and something horsepower loud diesels. Basic interiors, rough riding. They have all come along way.

[ROBERTSUNRUS]

🙂 Hi, of course I like the Ford towing mirrors better, but I don't understand why some people drive with them extended when not towing.

Also, I knew a girl who complained that her Dodge mirrors were lousy when she was trying to back up her horse trailer. (she posted a picture of it on Facebook) I sent her a picture and asked if she knew how to flip her mirrors out. She had this truck for about five years and didn't know that her mirrors flipped out. (she bought this truck brand new) :S

[Bionic_Man]

blofgren wrote:

Bedlam wrote:
With the mirrors flipped down on the Ram, the blind spot section is almost useless to me. Coming from Ford mirrors, I think that telescoping is a better design. Since my truck rarely is driven without the camper, the mirrors are usually flipped out which lessens my annoyance with the Ram design.

x2. What really annoyed me was having to adjust the mirrors every time I flipped them. They've been up for about 3 years now!

You have two memory settings on the truck that wil store the mirror settings as well as radio and everything else. Setting one is regular for me, and two is towing.

[Bedlam]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I’m guessing that only non RAM owners dislike the flip up mirrors since they have kept them on the new 19’s.

You don't miss something you never had if you were always buying Dodge/Ram. Plenty of GM folks complained about their old mirrors until they mimicked the Ford design. GM did have better mirrors on its Kodiaks and RV cut away vehicles that never made it to the pickups...

[FishOnOne]

BigToe wrote:


The same fuel powers Peterbilts, KWs, Whites, Hinos, Izuzus, MB's, Cats, Cummins,

None of these trucks run the CP4.2 pump. Except for now the updated 6.7 cummins and yes it will be sensitive to water.

[Cummins12V98]

I’m guessing that only non RAM owners dislike the flip up mirrors since they have kept them on the new 19’s.

[blofgren]

Bedlam wrote:
With the mirrors flipped down on the Ram, the blind spot section is almost useless to me. Coming from Ford mirrors, I think that telescoping is a better design. Since my truck rarely is driven without the camper, the mirrors are usually flipped out which lessens my annoyance with the Ram design.

x2. What really annoyed me was having to adjust the mirrors every time I flipped them. They've been up for about 3 years now!