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grumpysmurf
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Just bought a Rockwood A122BH Hard side. It is a 30 amp trailer, now I need a generator. I have heard Honda's are the quietest, but very pricey. I have had Champion in the past and they work great, just a little loud in my opinion. I welcome any and all suggestions.
Thank you!
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jvkaveman
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When calculating what unit you need you should consider what the draw in amps is and multiply that by 100. It is not exact but it is a good rule of thumb. So an air conditioner that draws 18 amps and a 1000 watt microwave will need 2800 watts. Remember that the conversion is not exact, You should allow for a 10% buffer. In this example, the 2800 watts could actually be closer to 3000 to 3100 watts of draw and would tax a 3000 watt generator. Common sense would say to shut the a/c off while using the microwave and then turn it back on when you are done cooking. A RV that has a 30 amp plug should be able to be powered by a 3000 watt generator. A RV that has a 50 amp plug would require you to look at what is being used and restrict some uses when using a 3000 watt generator to keep from burning the generator up.

jvkaveman
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I hunt in Montana every fall and the Honda EU3000 works great for me to charge my gps batteries and run my freezers when I bag an elk. My neighbors use the EU2000 and use it to light up their camp and run their trailers (x2) and it does all that they want it to do. I must say that quiet is good. When making a purchase like this you should cost average the price over the years of enjoyment. When cost averaging, the extra cost becomes negligible and you will have happy neighbors in your camping areas. Honda's are electric start and very reliable. I have heard that the new Yamaha's are nice as well but cost even more than the Honda. Don't forget that by not having a mounted generator on your trailer, that the generator will be portable and can be used for other projects or even to use as an emergency generator for power outages at home. The quietness of these generators is worth the extra money. Just my 2 cents worth.

bondebond
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Bite N Hold, that is a tenuous question, at best. The Honda EU2000i is a very strong unit but it depends on what capacitors are used in the AC units. Carrier AirV might be able to start and run on a single EU2000. The Coleman ACs are pretty much a no-go without changing out the capacitor and even you're running it at max load sustained. I would not chance a $1,000 generator burning out to run the AC. Get a Honda EU3000 and be in the safe zone. 3,000 watts is pretty much the safe minimum you need in either a single generator or in a paired generator setup.
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Bite_N_Hold
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So would the Honda EU2000 run an AC or is it to much to ask of it?

Bite_N_Hold
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So would the Honda EU2000 run an AC or is it to much to ask of it?

reed_cundiff
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bondebond

Agree - go to 10,000' and not worry about air conditioning.

"...Someone please show me an alternative method for running an A/C when not on shore power..."

Probably cannot run a 13,500 BTU a/c 24/7 with solar and battery suite. We have run the 13,500 BTU for 3.5 hours several times as a combination of solar panels and battery suite. We were down to below 50% SOC (LFP is good down to 20% SOC) and wanted energy for any untoward events at night.

We have 1.4 kW of panels, 8.6 kW-hr (48 V nominal) LFP battery suite and a Magnum 4.0 kW PSWI. Have trialed the battery suite and PSWI running a/c and m/w simultaneously at about 0.3 C (3.3 kW). There was a comment about a small 1000 BTU a/c which takes about 250 W. We could run this in bedroom 24/7. The Aussies use mini-splits a/cs which use around 250 to 500 W maximum. Our SOP is pretty much hike about or read sitting in shade of 5th wheel during the day and then run the a/c for an hour or so at dusk to drop the interior temperature below 90, which is quite sufficient in mountain west. Use 12 V fans (12 W)and a half-dozen 12 V receptacles about the cabins in the evening.
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bondebond
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grumpysmurf wrote:
I guess I need to say a generator to run a microwave and 13,500 ac

In order to do so, you're going to need a generator at or in excess of 3,000 watts. Starting up the A/C is hard on the generators as the inrush of current is quite high. I can get my paired paired 2000 watt inverter-based generators to handle it and then have no problem under load.

According to the information on the graphic, you could achieve this a couple of ways while using inverter-based generators (much quieter than the open-frame units on the right side of the graphic).

You could purchase a Honda/Yamaha/Champion 3000 unit for $1000-21000 but the first two are over one hundred and thirty pounds each and all are difficult to maneuver when loading and unloading. In checking for the weight specs, I noticed actual street prices are even $200 cheaper for some units.

Or, you could purchase a pair of smaller generators that have a method of joining them together to produce a higher output than they can individually. They are easier to handle by one person and also allow flexibility in only powering one smaller generator to recharge a deep cycle battery, or combined to power an air conditioner. So you're looking at $2,000 plus sync cable for Honda/Yamaha or $1,200 plus sync cable for Champion.

With Champion sharing the same relative operating noise space as Yamaha and Honda for similarly sized capabilities, noise is less of a deciding factor. It comes down to fuel consumption, quality (real and/or perceived), price and other attributes.

No generator is quiet and cannot match solar for noise to power generated. Solar has its own limitations and expenses but can be quite a viable alternative for folks NOT needing to power an air conditioner.

In order to have air conditioning, a generator is required when shore power is not available. Someone please show me an alternative method for running an A/C when not on shore power.

As you have alluded to, please stay away from the open frame generators that people commonly and mistakenly call "contractor generators". They have their place and use, but noise level restrictions in many campgrounds would eliminate most of them.

Good luck and ask further questions as they arise.

And just a little story to manage expectations - we were camping at almost 10,000 feet altitude and I was running the single 2,000 (1,600 running) watt generator. I'm on the other side of the TV when I hear the generator bog down and almost choke out. I run inside to see what's going on and discover that my wife has decided to take advantage of the generator to run the 1,500 watt microwave. Why the manufacturer put a microwave in the camper that has 500 more watts than my household microwave, I'll never know. Obviously, I stopped that right away.
Know that high elevation will reduce the usable wattage due to the effects of less oxygen to feed the combustion of the engine. A 1,600 watt (running) generator won't handle that the higher you go. Of course, at that elevation, who needs an A/C anyway. ๐Ÿ˜‰
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time2roll
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grumpysmurf wrote:
I guess I need to say a generator to run a microwave and 13,500 ac
Try renting and see how much you really use it.

If I need AC 24/7 I am really looking for hookups.

2oldman
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Calicajun wrote:
2oldman, thanks for listing the links to other generator posts. Search engines and I don't get alone well together.
Thanks. I don't search those, I collect them as I see them.
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grumpysmurf
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no sure what Champion I had, but dont have it now

grumpysmurf
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I guess I need to say a generator to run a microwave and 13,500 ac

Calicajun
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2oldman, thanks for listing the links to other generator posts. Search engines and I don't get alone well together.
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Dakota98
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RoyB wrote:
DAKOTA - Thats a neat chart - thanks...


I can't take credit for finding it.

Credit goes to Jaycocreek, :B
I'm an expert in only one field....I believe it's somewhere in Kansas.

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RoyB
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DAKOTA - Thats a neat chart - thanks...
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