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Bionic_Man
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So my 2012 RAM 3500 was in the shop for two weeks with a P0420 CEL. Turns out that it had to do with a cat, and the part was on back order, not scheduled for release until late August.

I spoke with two technicians about the likelihood of it being troublefree between now and then, and was less than reassured by both of their responses - โ€œmaybe, but if it collapses on itself the truck will not have enough power to move far on its ownโ€. Looked into aftermarket options, but I live in an emissions testing county and the great state of Colofornia will not allow any non OEM parts for emissions compliance.

With a 3000 mile round trip pulling the RV was literally a day away, I quickly went on a new truck search. I can tell you from my experience, there is still a significant shortage.

I used the RAM build a truck site, and searched a 100 mile radius from
Denver. My criteria was pretty simple. RAM 3500, HO engine, crew cab, Laramie or better trim, 50 gallon fuel tank, 5th wheel prep package. I was open to 2022 or 2023 trucks. My search only resulted in a very small handful of trucks available (if I was open to Tradesman trim, options would have been much better). I then started calling dealers to see who was willing to sell on the EP program for a truck on the lot, and that narrowed my choices much further.

Found a dealer 100 miles away that had a truck that met the criteria (Laramie trim, technology group with adaptive cruise and the advanced tow package in a long bed). I left the house at about 1000 am, did the paperwork (which took much longer than I thought it should) drove it to an RV dealer near home, getting there about 30 minutes before they closed), picked up a new Anderson ultimate hitch that uses the goose neck in the prep package), hitched the trailer, and headed towards Portland.

We drove over 1300 miles in a day and a half, all around the Portland area, and then back in two days. Here are my observations.

Without question, this is the biggest upgrade Iโ€™ve ever experienced in a vehicle. There simply is no comparison between my 2012 and this 2023. Out trip took us up I80 to I84. While there are not any hills like I70, we still encountered some grades, although you hardly knew it with the Cummins/Aisin. Itโ€™s simply impressive.

Love all the cameras and the adaptive cruise. Wish I could have got massaging seats. I also miss my auxiliary fuel tank. Even with my relatively small 12,000 pound trailer, stability in the old DRW was better (especially when we encountered winds around the Columbia gorge). I still am happy we got a SRW - itโ€™s nice to run it through a car wash instead of hand washing.

I am sure I have some upgrades in the near future. I put running boards on the truck on Sunday. Clear bra and window tint Thursday. Probably need air bags and maybe bigger tires. Who knows what else.

My anticipation was to keep my last truck for another 100,000 + miles, but so far I have no regrets that I was forced to upgrade.

2012 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn DRW CC 4x4 Max Tow, Cummins HO, 60 gallon RDS aux fuel tank, Reese 18k Elite hitch
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
2002 Gulf Stream Sea Hawk 29FRB with Honda EV6010
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Bionic_Man
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Such a pretty hitch

2012 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn DRW CC 4x4 Max Tow, Cummins HO, 60 gallon RDS aux fuel tank, Reese 18k Elite hitch
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
2002 Gulf Stream Sea Hawk 29FRB with Honda EV6010

Cummins12V98
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fj12ryder wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
We're on day 3 with this topic and I'm shocked that the President of the marketing arm of B&W Trailer Hitches hasn't commented about the Anderson hitch. :h
I'm not surprised since the Andersen hitch is adequate for the lighter trailers. It's only when you get up around 15,000-18,000 lbs. that you need a real hitch. ๐Ÿ™‚


True!!! I would still have gone REAL hitch as everyone always goes bigger on the next RV.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Cummins12V98
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Bionic Man wrote:
And to kick more sand, Iโ€™ll probably do BFGs instead of Michelin. :C


Changing your truck tires I would go NITTO RidgeGrapplers. Lots of miles on mine and they are quiet.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Cummins12V98
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Bionic Man wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
We're on day 3 with this topic and I'm shocked that the President of ;);)the marketing arm of B&W Trailer Hitches hasn't commented about the Anderson hitch. :h


That makes two of us.

I actually requested the B&W and the trailer dealer I went to said they would sell me one but I would regret it. โ€œEveryone is going to these Andersonโ€™sโ€. Big selling point was to be able to lift it out of the truck by yourself. Itโ€™s incredibly light. I like it so far.

Typing this message while sitting in the automatic car wash. I donโ€™t miss the training wheels.


WOW, I am guessing they make more selling the ANDERSEN. Incredible they would say you would regret it. Sure would like to hear that one.

Did they mention the ANDERSEN can cause bed deflection?

2-1/4 inch drop should put the truck basically level, NOT rear low. You need to park on level ground and take a pic directly from the side.

Mine sets 55" top back corner of the bed loaded or not in ALT ride mode. I think you need to drive it for a while before adding bags.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

fj12ryder
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FishOnOne wrote:
We're on day 3 with this topic and I'm shocked that the President of the marketing arm of B&W Trailer Hitches hasn't commented about the Anderson hitch. :h
I'm not surprised since the Andersen hitch is adequate for the lighter trailers. It's only when you get up around 15,000-18,000 lbs. that you need a real hitch. ๐Ÿ™‚
Howard and Peggy

"Don't Panic"

Bionic_Man
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And to kick more sand, Iโ€™ll probably do BFGs instead of Michelin. :C
2012 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn DRW CC 4x4 Max Tow, Cummins HO, 60 gallon RDS aux fuel tank, Reese 18k Elite hitch
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
2002 Gulf Stream Sea Hawk 29FRB with Honda EV6010

Bionic_Man
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FishOnOne wrote:
We're on day 3 with this topic and I'm shocked that the President of ;);)the marketing arm of B&W Trailer Hitches hasn't commented about the Anderson hitch. :h


That makes two of us.

I actually requested the B&W and the trailer dealer I went to said they would sell me one but I would regret it. โ€œEveryone is going to these Andersonโ€™sโ€. Big selling point was to be able to lift it out of the truck by yourself. Itโ€™s incredibly light. I like it so far.

Typing this message while sitting in the automatic car wash. I donโ€™t miss the training wheels.
2012 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn DRW CC 4x4 Max Tow, Cummins HO, 60 gallon RDS aux fuel tank, Reese 18k Elite hitch
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
2002 Gulf Stream Sea Hawk 29FRB with Honda EV6010

Grit_dog
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FishOnOne wrote:
We're on day 3 with this topic and I'm shocked that the President of the marketing arm of B&W Trailer Hitches hasn't commented about the Anderson hitch. :h

Too wound up about overload springsโ€ฆ.
2016 Ram 2500, MotorOps.ca EFIlive tuned, 5โ€ turbo back, 6" lift on 37s
2017 Heartland Torque T29 - Sold.
Couple of Arctic Fox TCs - Sold

larry_barnhart
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I never felt a dually truck was a training vehicle I felt it was the smart way to tow a large fifth. Looks great sitting in our garage now.

chevman
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We're on day 3 with this topic and I'm shocked that the President of the marketing arm of B&W Trailer Hitches hasn't commented about the Anderson hitch. :h
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Bionic_Man
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
fj12ryder wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
It settles 2 1/4โ€ with the RV on the truck. It is enough that some oncoming drivers were flashing their lights. Would have got the air suspension if I ordered the truck.

Bigger tires are for aesthetics. They wonโ€™t be huge but Iโ€™ve never been a fan of stock size.


You want the truck to set "LEVEL" and ride on the overloads. Yes I get flashed at times but oh well! I set 55" top rear bed to ground with factory rear air. LOVE it!!!
If the truck is down on the overloads it's going to ride pretty rough. I put bags on my old truck because it set down on the overloads, and rode like a lumber wagon. Got it off the overloads and it was fine. JME of course.

But FWIW, it looks like it's sitting a bit low in the rear. The truck that is.


100% disagree! Loaded you want the truck on the overloads that is what they are there for. They stop a lot of bouncing.

Pic could be deceiving. I highly doubt the truck is setting low rear with at the most 2,400# pin weight.


How does your truck sit when loaded? With the air suspension Iโ€™d assume that it sits at the same level as empty.

Iโ€™ve had 4 vehicles with OEM air suspension, and they all sat at the same level wether loaded or empty. Thatโ€™s why I will go to airbags.

And the photo is not deceiving. I measured it. The truck settles 2 1/4โ€ with the trailer on it.

I appreciate the comments about aligning the headlights but doing that would be a compromise for visibility of loaded vs unloaded. And it doesnโ€™t change the way it looks.

Apparently some like the saggy look. I donโ€™t.
2012 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn DRW CC 4x4 Max Tow, Cummins HO, 60 gallon RDS aux fuel tank, Reese 18k Elite hitch
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
2002 Gulf Stream Sea Hawk 29FRB with Honda EV6010

fj12ryder
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
...100% disagree! Loaded you want the truck on the overloads that is what they are there for. They stop a lot of bouncing.

Pic could be deceiving. I highly doubt the truck is setting low rear with at the most 2,400# pin weight.
We'll have to agree to disagree. My statement was from actual experience, so I stand by what I said.
Howard and Peggy

"Don't Panic"

Grit_dog
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ROFL. Guy posts a picture of his new truck and you tool bags are arguing about springs, headlights and def tanksโ€ฆlol.
2016 Ram 2500, MotorOps.ca EFIlive tuned, 5โ€ turbo back, 6" lift on 37s
2017 Heartland Torque T29 - Sold.
Couple of Arctic Fox TCs - Sold

Cummins12V98
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fj12ryder wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
It settles 2 1/4โ€ with the RV on the truck. It is enough that some oncoming drivers were flashing their lights. Would have got the air suspension if I ordered the truck.

Bigger tires are for aesthetics. They wonโ€™t be huge but Iโ€™ve never been a fan of stock size.


You want the truck to set "LEVEL" and ride on the overloads. Yes I get flashed at times but oh well! I set 55" top rear bed to ground with factory rear air. LOVE it!!!
If the truck is down on the overloads it's going to ride pretty rough. I put bags on my old truck because it set down on the overloads, and rode like a lumber wagon. Got it off the overloads and it was fine. JME of course.

But FWIW, it looks like it's sitting a bit low in the rear. The truck that is.


100% disagree! Loaded you want the truck on the overloads that is what they are there for. They stop a lot of bouncing.

Pic could be deceiving. I highly doubt the truck is setting low rear with at the most 2,400# pin weight.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Huntindog
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
It settles 2 1/4โ€ with the RV on the truck. It is enough that some oncoming drivers were flashing their lights. Would have got the air suspension if I ordered the truck.

Bigger tires are for aesthetics. They wonโ€™t be huge but Iโ€™ve never been a fan of stock size.


You want the truck to set "LEVEL" and ride on the overloads. Yes I get flashed at times but oh well! I set 55" top rear bed to ground with factory rear air. LOVE it!!!
Headlights are adjustable to fix this.
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