Small Four Season TT

[Larry7995]

I have been looking at TTs now since last fall. Just need one for 2 people. My neighbor asked me if I was getting a 4 season trailer which opened a new search. Since I live in Colorado and mtn temps can drop into the 20s even in the summer, that seemed a no-brainer. So I was wandering around an RV lot and discovered the ORV trailers, very nice but sort of heavy. Friend from Montana suggested I look at Nash and Arctic Fox, they are very nice as well. Price keeps going up the more I look. So the Northwood Nash 22 is nice and only 4300 lb dry weight, the ORV - Creek Side 21RBS is decent but 5300 lbs dry weight. I have a new F-150 3.5L Ecoboost with Max Tow and it is a great truck but still want to be mindful of weight. Also, was wondering how much pulling the trailers into rutted dirt forest camp sites becomes a consideration as they become heavier. Also looking at the ORV 21FQS at 6000 lbs. And the Arctic Fox 22
http://outdoorsrvmfg.com/creek-side/creek-side-21rbs/
http://northwoodmfg.com/compare/1/49/nash-22h/
http://outdoorsrvmfg.com/timber-ridge-21fqs/
http://northwoodmfg.com/arctic-fox-2/arctic-fox-22g/

[FrankShore]

I like Lance, and with some reading up on some of their construction videos at YouTube and just reading their website, you can see that the smallest Lance 1475 has a 4 Season Package. I've never been cold in my Lance. Azdel (a composite material used within the walls (instead of Luan - regular wood) keeps the temps nice and warm in the cold months.

Lance Factory Tour

[ppine]

I had a Nash 22 and miss it. It was heavy. The newer ones are lighter.

I just came back from a mid Nov trip in the mountains with an old Tahoe Lite. It is not verywell insulated, but compared to being outside it was perfect. I just left the antifreeze in place. I used a Little Buddy heater with the hybrid turtled up. Making coffee heated up the small space.

[deltabravo]

ppine wrote:
Nash. Arctic Fox, Outdoors RV.

Ditto

For ORV: I really like the 21RBS. The 20RD was my second choice.
18RBS would work too, but the corner bed would be annoying for a couple.

[carringb]

Schwintek slide systems are garbage. Fortunately AF-Nash/Northwoods have moved away from it for larger slides. Mine had to go back to the factory a couple times, plus one dealer repair, and finally one more in my driveway a couple months ago. Seems to be ok on smaller slides, but not full-room slides (that said, one of my failures was the bedroom slide, but it was just a bad motor).

[goducks10]

The 23D uses a Schwintek type slide out. I think there's a couple MFG that make that type. Could very well be that Northwood uses a different or a newer version and no longer stocks the parts. Looking up the actual MFG of the slide out would be where I would go.
I don't have that type of slide out mechanism and it's never failed in 6 seasons.
Hard to say how the original owner treated it.

[Larry7995]

Well Camping World - Caldwell was unable to procure the part from Northwood Manufacturing that they needed to fix the slide out on the used Nash 23D I was buying so they sent my deposit back. Slide outs often break after 3 years?

[Larry7995]

Thanks for the history, I was at Ketelsen today looking at ORVs, for my purposes the 18RBS would be ok but I did not like the tiny shower, the shower in the 21FQS is much better. But I am supposed to get a 2015 Nash for less than half what they want for the 2019 18RBS so I am hoping they get the part and that fixes the slideout, then I will run up to Idaho and bring it back to Colorado.

[carringb]

ORV and the AF/Nash trailers all use the Northwoods chassis. The main difference being only that ORV trailers took over the former Fleetwood plant that the Nash family bought after Fleetwood left the towable market. They have most thing in common, including construction methods. The biggest differences are floor-plans and amenities.

[jnslprd]

Don't believe the listed prices they can vary greatly. Look on RVtrader at the model you want and look for the lowest price. Any Northwood dealer should be able to match the lowest listed price. As for bling, it depends what you consider bling. The Northwood units have everything any other model has but on a better built frame and better quality materials. Good luck, My wife and I are waiting for our Arctic fox 25w to arrive in a few weeks.

[Larry7995]

I found a used 2015 Nash 23d up in Idaho. Unfortunately, they are waiting for a part they need to replace the motor for the slideout and have no idea when they are going to get it from Northwood Manufacturing. So, I put a credit card deposit down but I am not willing to sign any financing documents till they have a trailer that is not broken and has a part available to fix it!

[BizmarksMom]

I already owned 2 Honda generators, so I did not buy the Onan. And, honestly, between the solar mounted on the roof and my portable panel, I haven't needed the generators in years. I don't use the air conditioner or microwave, though.

[Larry7995]

Did you folks that purchased Nash trailers get the Onan LP generator option? Is that a good idea or better to get two external gas generators in tandem?
I am excited to go see the Nash and Arctic Fox models tomorrow.

[Dirtpig]

I really like the wood framing in my Nash 25c. I had an Arctic Fox camper that was aluminum framed and even though it was well insulated it showed moisture on the inside walls where the frame was. This was the only place you could see moisture, weird phenomenon that does not happen in my wooden framed trailer i now have. Im guessing it was transferring the cold from the outside through the aluminum into the inside wall. You could see a grid pattern if u looked closely in the right light, or u could feel the moisture with your hand. The Nash models have heated enclosed tanks and valves, thermal windows, and a good R value. I have camped for 1 week using furnace nightly boondocking and my 2 6volt batteries will go down to about 70% in one night with some tv use, and the furnace set at 21deg Celsius. I would say it cycles on about once every 45min and runs for about 10min at about -3 Celsius. Nothing has ever frozen on me. No valves etc. The weakest link on these trailers is the outside shower, they are suseptable to freezing and i would recommend leaving them winterized with antifreeze. (dont flush them out when u dewinterize when winter camping). I am very pleased with the winter performance of the trailer, and in summer the sun doesnt make the trailer an oven. Holds the same temp as the outside air temp. My best friend has a ORV Creekside 23BHS and it also performs well in sub zero temps and he is also happy with his choice. Nash 17k is a nice little trailer with no slide and large rear window.

[theoldwizard1]

A true 4 seasons trailer has to be able to survive a 3 day ski outing with the temps below 0F at night and never above freezing. You need heated water tanks, pipe and valves. Extra wall and ceiling insulation are important and and insulated floor is also a must.

Boondocking in winter is out unless you are willing to carry water in jugs and use a portable toilet. For a 3 day weekend I would want at least THREE 20 lb LP battles, maybe FOUR ! You probably won't be able to use your furnace because it will kill your batteries.