Alaska cancels Prince Rupert, B.C., ferry service

[SideHillSoup]

Just read this on the CBC new website.
Soup.
Link to Alaska ferry news

[paulj]

My impression from an initial read of the article was that there was a change in policy on the part of the US government. Maybe things will change in 2021.

[Z-Peller]

Over 50 years AMH in service from Prince Rupert terminal, with some US crews and Customs people living in Rupert, and now there's suddenly a security issue???....hmmm...AMH was trying to shut down some sailings a few years ago for financial reasons, weren't they???.....just sayin...

[c_traveler2]

I was following another group on Facebook who got caught up in this ferry mess, they got stranded in Sitka, AK. They had to cancel their trip and put their rigs on barges to the USA.

[noteven]

garyhaupt wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:

garyhaupt wrote:
Geeezus...stop pouting because Canadian laws apply in Canada.


Gary Haupt

Canadian laws are a pita and usually legislative overkill. Decades of bureaucrats writing them, without sensible oversight, has created a labyrinth of redundancy and confusion. Just sayin'.
They actually state in the Canada Firearms Act that foreign "guests" are allowed to carry/transport/store/etc. while in our country, in many cases.
Which begs the question, why not CBP agents in Prince Rupert? Local bylaw? BC provincial law? Nothing to do with firearms in Canada would surprise me now since the Trudeau/Goodale/Blair trio got their mitts on it.
Just makes the topic all the more confusing.

Now..having re-read the article, it is clear that this a way for the State of Alaska to dump the run as a cost cutting measure. Plus, the dock facility needs to be upgraded, no doubt NOT on Alaska's nickel.

As for CBS..they are in Prince Rupert, but I am guessing that providing an armed escort service for the the ferry crew does not fall under their duties.

I have to wonder..how was this managed in the past? Was there an armed US Border service person on-board?


Gary

What Gary said ^ .

[romore]

I agree, the whole thing smells political. Why has it suddenly become an issue? There has been no change in the rules on our side.

[PA12DRVR]

Interesting spin in / on the article.

AMHS (Alaska Marine Highway System, the ferry) is one of the higher profile areas for budget cuts; whether the Prince Rupert elimination was "generic" or due to the potential specific cost of funding either US or Canadian border agents, the cut was undoubtedly based on budget.

Lots of other thoughts at least somewhat relevant to this issue but will try to stay within the guidelines and avoid "politics"

[garyhaupt]

MDKMDK wrote:

garyhaupt wrote:
Geeezus...stop pouting because Canadian laws apply in Canada.


Gary Haupt

Canadian laws are a pita and usually legislative overkill. Decades of bureaucrats writing them, without sensible oversight, has created a labyrinth of redundancy and confusion. Just sayin'.
They actually state in the Canada Firearms Act that foreign "guests" are allowed to carry/transport/store/etc. while in our country, in many cases.
Which begs the question, why not CBP agents in Prince Rupert? Local bylaw? BC provincial law? Nothing to do with firearms in Canada would surprise me now since the Trudeau/Goodale/Blair trio got their mitts on it.
Just makes the topic all the more confusing.

Now..having re-read the article, it is clear that this a way for the State of Alaska to dump the run as a cost cutting measure. Plus, the dock facility needs to be upgraded, no doubt NOT on Alaska's nickel.

As for CBS..they are in Prince Rupert, but I am guessing that providing an armed escort service for the the ferry crew does not fall under their duties.

I have to wonder..how was this managed in the past? Was there an armed US Border service person on-board?


Gary

[MDKMDK]

garyhaupt wrote:
Geeezus...stop pouting because Canadian laws apply in Canada.


Gary Haupt

Canadian laws are a pita and usually legislative overkill. Decades of bureaucrats writing them, without sensible oversight, has created a labyrinth of redundancy and confusion. Just sayin'.
They actually state in the Canada Firearms Act that foreign "guests" are allowed to carry/transport/store/etc. while in our country, in many cases.
Which begs the question, why not CBP agents in Prince Rupert? Local bylaw? BC provincial law? Nothing to do with firearms in Canada would surprise me now since the Trudeau/Goodale/Blair trio got their mitts on it.
Just makes the topic all the more confusing.
Doesn't affect me directly, so I'm done.
Good luck with it BC, you'll need it.

[garyhaupt]

Geeezus...stop pouting because Canadian laws apply in Canada.


Gary Haupt

[MDKMDK]

noteven wrote:
MDK ...but...but...in Canada you can carry a restricted firearm if risk to your security at your employment warrants it. Bank guards, secret agent, private eye, armoured car personnel, sheriffs, etc.

Every community in Canada with RCMP local policing pays for it.

It sounds like convenient excuses for a couple guvvermints to finger point and cancel a service until the other one pays etc etc.

A Canadian might be able to carry during the performance of his/her/it's duties, if they get a permission note from God. This was about Americans not being able to carry, for God knows why stupid reasons.
I believe I already stated your conclusion. They took their ferry and went home.

Thanks for chipping in. :h

[noteven]

MDK ...but...but...in Canada you can carry a restricted firearm if risk to your security at your employment warrants it. Bank guards, secret agent, private eye, armoured car personnel, sheriffs, etc.

Every community in Canada with RCMP local policing pays for it.

It sounds like convenient excuses for a couple guvvermints to finger point and cancel a service until the other one pays etc etc.

[MDKMDK]

They probably got tired of not being able to "carry" firearms on Canadian soil, for their CBP guys to do pre-authorized clearance and inspections. I thought I read somewhere that the Canadian government wouldn't let them carry sidearms while on Canadian soil, so they had to hire/pay the RCMP to "cover them" while on duty. Can you imagine the CBP guys saying WTF? "you won't let us do our job, so we'll shut it down" was probably their ultimate answer.
It's our own fault for not having the "right to keep and bear".

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/alaska-ferry-service-to-pay-canadian-police-1.514270...

[romore]

I just saw that too. It is going to disrupt a lot of travel plans.

[Lwiddis]

I suggest, with Canadian permission, we protect our own federal employees.