CLAlvarez1956 wrote:
We drove the RV through Yellowstone, around Lake Yellowstone, out by Fishing Bridge, and then the fun began! LOL! WOW!! They don't call it the corkscrew highway for nothing! Actually, it was fine. I guess I'm getting used to this. We then continued on the 14/16/20 into Cody and it was MAGNIFICENT! The Wapiti Valley? Get out of here! GORGEOUS! I am SO glad I trusted you and did it!! THANK YOU!
Hope you are slowing down and taking the time to enjoy the trip - the next 6 weeks Colorado and Utah are going to be at there best.
Take it slow - Trust me there is a lot to see and do and it will be a year before it is like this again.
Remember to Take Pictures- lot's!!!!!!
Enjoy,
Just me getting out in front for when you visit Colorado,
Might give you too much but will also give you some things to put into the plan.
Colorado, and the many options for a trip.
Let me start off by saying that IMHO Colorado offers as much Adventure and Beauty as any part of the country – add to that that is very close to the center of the US – Close to Yellowstone and Utah - and it’s exceptional weather make it a great destination vacation.
In my first dozen plus trips to Colorado I usually traveled to RMNP and Colorado Springs. Having spent most of my life either on the left coast or the right coast I actually only did the touristy drive through when going from one coast to the other. I never really was able to spend much time just being immersed in the culture or the people and land of the state. Having seen the Coors commercials I was under the impression that Golden was a town located deep in the Rockies – not just 15 minutes from downtown Denver, you can imagine my surprise when I discovered this. In the 90’s my son was invited to Vail for a July 4th sports tournament, so we visited every summer while he was in College, arriving in Vail from, Colorado Springs – Albuquerque – and Salt Lake – Denver – Giving me an opportunity to learn a little about the state and the many drives/areas it offers, this started to Open my eyes, exposing me to the many attractions and so much more about the state. Then when my son moved there in 2002 and I discovered that I had only scratched the surface and would spend the next 5 years learning more about the state.
With my truth in a very limited -knowledge, on the state of Colorado I will move forward with my personal suggestions for a week (Or month) or two in Colorado – a sort of 7-17 days to see the state. You need to Understand that I believe this is one of the last great Wild Places in the US, and is IMHO a National Park, once you hit the Foothills. You need to set aside twice the time you think if you really want to, enjoy, see, touch, Love this state the way it deserves. If you take the time, you will return again and again – Discovering that it has just so many surprises – all of which just continue to amaze me.
So let’s start at the obvious spot, Denver/ Golden – you could start with a tour of the Coors brewery catch dinner in the town and then have a great walk along Clear Creek, you will need a little planning to get a site in the CG (Clear Creek CG)as it has now been Discovered and is normally FULL. (an option is JeffCoFairgrounds). Because I have 4 Granddaughters in Colorado and this is the closest CG I am slightly biased as to how great it is. It is within walking distance of – restaurants/Main Street – Community Center – Library – Coors – Downtown Golden.
Peak to Peak drive is the next thing I would insist that you experience – for me I would base camp in Golden and make this drive a couple of times, or make the loop across Trail Ridge and Berthoud Pass – not a drive for the faint of heart (In the RV)as both offer switch backs and areas free from guard rails on some very impressive grades to get over and down from these Passes.(the reason for the base camp is to allow a couple of good drives. (Peak to Peak and Trail Ridge) Along with these drives are an unlimited number of areas to take great hikes – just do a quick search and you will not be disappointed, almost every jurisdiction will have dedicated Open Space areas with great trails /hikes.
Most people will start in Rocky Mountain NP – I am sure most are aware of the Pine Beetle Kill – it has decimated the beautiful green forest of RMNP – making it a very different trip from what it was just 5-6 years ago. Still it is RMNP and it does have some very impressive natural features and hikes to offer. IMHO Estes is (the east side of the park – where most visit) just not that attractive in the tourist season. (a personal Bias as I tend to go where and when the crowds are not) The Camp Grounds leave much to be desired and the town is much too crowded for my personal taste. With that said I love to visit and spend time on the other side of the park – WEST- at Grand Lake a smaller town with still a sort of quaint feel about it, much more family oriented and not nearly as crowded. The drive from one side of the park to the other over Trail Ridge is not to be missed – the many hiking areas away from the crowds are many and varied – from Longs Peaks- 14,000’+ to many of the hikes to lesser known peaks and lakes, more than enough to spend the entire trip on and only scratch the surface. ( if you were to drive over Trail Ridge you could make aa quick run to The Steamboat area –Lakes –Town - State Parks – just lots to see and do in this area then just head down to Dillon and pick up there)
Leaving Golden I would head out Rt 6, driving along Clear Creek to Idaho Springs and the entrance onto I-70 going through the tunnel (actually a number of tunnels – 6?) and getting off on at Rt 91 and heading to Leadville, Highest incorporated Town in the US 10,000’and home of Quincy's Steak House for a Leadville dinner. Turquoise Lake, 4X4 trails, historic town, and base for a day trip over Independence Pass and a dash to Maroon Bells in Aspen. This trip is good anytime the pass is open but is truly spectacular in the last week of September when the Aspen turn GOLD. (this is taken in the Toad or TV as it is a restricted length road)
From Leadville down to Buena Vista – home of the Arkansas River Rafting adventures – great in the early summer with the snow melt. If you have missed the rafting at its peak, not to worry, as the trails and drives in the Collegiate Peaks are again very special, you can get all the way over to Crested Butte – a very neat little ski town – by 4X4 or gravel road. (Home of Bud Light commercials and Crystal Mill)
Just a note here – the beetle kill is starting to leave its mark in this part of the state – so my advice is to see it NOW, before it changes forever.
If you are into crossing National Parks off a list then the next destination would be Great Sand Dunes NP, this could be a Toad drive or a stop but unless you just love sand in your shoes you see most of it pretty quickly.
Now for some difficult decisions – Gunnison area – Lake City – Ouray – Silverton – Black Canyon of the Gunnison NP – Gunnison Lake – Fly Fishing Hikes and 4X4 trails that are hard to believe if you have the time all of the afore mentioned areas are special. Gunnison is the center geographically, and will allow you to resupply, Lake City – wild – beautiful – isolated – 4x4 trails – Ouray – must see – the Alps in Colorado – hot Springs – Hikes Drives – Silverton – the middle of the San Juan’s – many of the 4x4 trails will bring you here – just a great area – Black Canyon – Surprising! – must see – on and on as you travel in this area. Notice I have left out mesa Verde and Durango, so you certainly should/could include these, as both are interesting, just – for me again Durango is to Large/crowded – mesa Verde is IMHO more of a to be included in Utah, and can be seen in a later time of year when the rest of Colorado is immersed in Winter.
Lake City – Just a special little town that still has a western charm that is hard to match – 4X4 trails to die for – hikes – lakes – 14ers – fish – Creede and on and on – it is just located in something close to an unspoiled paradise. JMHO.
Ouray or Ridgeview SP – would be the logical base camp choice – central location – hot springs – CG – Near Silverton – more trails – Telluride just over the mountain – Hikes -- 4X4 trails just a great location and neat little town/area
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Silverton – in the middle of it all – if you are really into the back country this might just be for you – they have CG’s in town but you can easily Boondock in the NF – train – 4X4 trails – quaint – beautiful – but isolated.
Now if the weather is really cool you can always bounce over to Utah and warm up if it’s great and if you need more Colorado head up to Delta and Rt 133, catch Marble and Redstone before getting back on I-70 two interesting areas with neat little histories. If you did not get over to Maroon Bells catch it now – this is a great treat that I will never visit too often.
Now if you are headed west just follow the route into Moab – if you are headed back to Denver just take I-70 back – the over and under highway along the Colorado River just East of Glenwood Springs is considered one of the most beautiful parts on the Interstate Highway system and it will head through Vail and right back into Denver – If you can remember to get off at the exit (exit 243) just east of Idaho Springs you can take Rt 6 back to Rt 58 into the City.
The other Option, if you are headed South is to head down to Mesa Verde NP/Cortez by using Rt 145 or through Silverton Rt 550 to Durango and over (Note that 550 is a road that some love and other just think everyone should stay off -- I’ll drive it every time I have a chance but google it to see pictures)
The other popular option is to head to Utah – either from Grand Junction (Colorado Monument) or 141 or 90 over to Rt 191 – if you take I-70 try to remember to get off at exit 214 then follow Rt 128 into Moab –just a Special Drive.
Well that’ my welcome to Colorado Loop – just to drive it and only “see” most of it would take the week and just not be fair but if you really push, it can get you into the state so you return Often to Hike – Bike – Drive, many of the wild and Beautiful areas that are offered. Or you can take your time spending weeks in every location and still return to discover more adventures.
Hope this helps to get your interest up for Colorado.
Bill
Might give you too much but will also give you some things to put into the plan.
Colorado, and the many options for a trip.
Let me start off by saying that IMHO Colorado offers as much Adventure and Beauty as any part of the country – add to that that is very close to the center of the US – Close to Yellowstone and Utah - and it’s exceptional weather make it a great destination vacation.
In my first dozen plus trips to Colorado I usually traveled to RMNP and Colorado Springs. Having spent most of my life either on the left coast or the right coast I actually only did the touristy drive through when going from one coast to the other. I never really was able to spend much time just being immersed in the culture or the people and land of the state. Having seen the Coors commercials I was under the impression that Golden was a town located deep in the Rockies – not just 15 minutes from downtown Denver, you can imagine my surprise when I discovered this. In the 90’s my son was invited to Vail for a July 4th sports tournament, so we visited every summer while he was in College, arriving in Vail from, Colorado Springs – Albuquerque – and Salt Lake – Denver – Giving me an opportunity to learn a little about the state and the many drives/areas it offers, this started to Open my eyes, exposing me to the many attractions and so much more about the state. Then when my son moved there in 2002 and I discovered that I had only scratched the surface and would spend the next 5 years learning more about the state.
With my truth in a very limited -knowledge, on the state of Colorado I will move forward with my personal suggestions for a week (Or month) or two in Colorado – a sort of 7-17 days to see the state. You need to Understand that I believe this is one of the last great Wild Places in the US, and is IMHO a National Park, once you hit the Foothills. You need to set aside twice the time you think if you really want to, enjoy, see, touch, Love this state the way it deserves. If you take the time, you will return again and again – Discovering that it has just so many surprises – all of which just continue to amaze me.
So let’s start at the obvious spot, Denver/ Golden – you could start with a tour of the Coors brewery catch dinner in the town and then have a great walk along Clear Creek, you will need a little planning to get a site in the CG (Clear Creek CG)as it has now been Discovered and is normally FULL. (an option is JeffCoFairgrounds). Because I have 4 Granddaughters in Colorado and this is the closest CG I am slightly biased as to how great it is. It is within walking distance of – restaurants/Main Street – Community Center – Library – Coors – Downtown Golden.
Peak to Peak drive is the next thing I would insist that you experience – for me I would base camp in Golden and make this drive a couple of times, or make the loop across Trail Ridge and Berthoud Pass – not a drive for the faint of heart (In the RV)as both offer switch backs and areas free from guard rails on some very impressive grades to get over and down from these Passes.(the reason for the base camp is to allow a couple of good drives. (Peak to Peak and Trail Ridge) Along with these drives are an unlimited number of areas to take great hikes – just do a quick search and you will not be disappointed, almost every jurisdiction will have dedicated Open Space areas with great trails /hikes.
Most people will start in Rocky Mountain NP – I am sure most are aware of the Pine Beetle Kill – it has decimated the beautiful green forest of RMNP – making it a very different trip from what it was just 5-6 years ago. Still it is RMNP and it does have some very impressive natural features and hikes to offer. IMHO Estes is (the east side of the park – where most visit) just not that attractive in the tourist season. (a personal Bias as I tend to go where and when the crowds are not) The Camp Grounds leave much to be desired and the town is much too crowded for my personal taste. With that said I love to visit and spend time on the other side of the park – WEST- at Grand Lake a smaller town with still a sort of quaint feel about it, much more family oriented and not nearly as crowded. The drive from one side of the park to the other over Trail Ridge is not to be missed – the many hiking areas away from the crowds are many and varied – from Longs Peaks- 14,000’+ to many of the hikes to lesser known peaks and lakes, more than enough to spend the entire trip on and only scratch the surface. ( if you were to drive over Trail Ridge you could make aa quick run to The Steamboat area –Lakes –Town - State Parks – just lots to see and do in this area then just head down to Dillon and pick up there)
Leaving Golden I would head out Rt 6, driving along Clear Creek to Idaho Springs and the entrance onto I-70 going through the tunnel (actually a number of tunnels – 6?) and getting off on at Rt 91 and heading to Leadville, Highest incorporated Town in the US 10,000’and home of Quincy's Steak House for a Leadville dinner. Turquoise Lake, 4X4 trails, historic town, and base for a day trip over Independence Pass and a dash to Maroon Bells in Aspen. This trip is good anytime the pass is open but is truly spectacular in the last week of September when the Aspen turn GOLD. (this is taken in the Toad or TV as it is a restricted length road)
From Leadville down to Buena Vista – home of the Arkansas River Rafting adventures – great in the early summer with the snow melt. If you have missed the rafting at its peak, not to worry, as the trails and drives in the Collegiate Peaks are again very special, you can get all the way over to Crested Butte – a very neat little ski town – by 4X4 or gravel road. (Home of Bud Light commercials and Crystal Mill)
Just a note here – the beetle kill is starting to leave its mark in this part of the state – so my advice is to see it NOW, before it changes forever.
If you are into crossing National Parks off a list then the next destination would be Great Sand Dunes NP, this could be a Toad drive or a stop but unless you just love sand in your shoes you see most of it pretty quickly.
Now for some difficult decisions – Gunnison area – Lake City – Ouray – Silverton – Black Canyon of the Gunnison NP – Gunnison Lake – Fly Fishing Hikes and 4X4 trails that are hard to believe if you have the time all of the afore mentioned areas are special. Gunnison is the center geographically, and will allow you to resupply, Lake City – wild – beautiful – isolated – 4x4 trails – Ouray – must see – the Alps in Colorado – hot Springs – Hikes Drives – Silverton – the middle of the San Juan’s – many of the 4x4 trails will bring you here – just a great area – Black Canyon – Surprising! – must see – on and on as you travel in this area. Notice I have left out mesa Verde and Durango, so you certainly should/could include these, as both are interesting, just – for me again Durango is to Large/crowded – mesa Verde is IMHO more of a to be included in Utah, and can be seen in a later time of year when the rest of Colorado is immersed in Winter.
Lake City – Just a special little town that still has a western charm that is hard to match – 4X4 trails to die for – hikes – lakes – 14ers – fish – Creede and on and on – it is just located in something close to an unspoiled paradise. JMHO.
Ouray or Ridgeview SP – would be the logical base camp choice – central location – hot springs – CG – Near Silverton – more trails – Telluride just over the mountain – Hikes -- 4X4 trails just a great location and neat little town/area
.
Silverton – in the middle of it all – if you are really into the back country this might just be for you – they have CG’s in town but you can easily Boondock in the NF – train – 4X4 trails – quaint – beautiful – but isolated.
Now if the weather is really cool you can always bounce over to Utah and warm up if it’s great and if you need more Colorado head up to Delta and Rt 133, catch Marble and Redstone before getting back on I-70 two interesting areas with neat little histories. If you did not get over to Maroon Bells catch it now – this is a great treat that I will never visit too often.
Now if you are headed west just follow the route into Moab – if you are headed back to Denver just take I-70 back – the over and under highway along the Colorado River just East of Glenwood Springs is considered one of the most beautiful parts on the Interstate Highway system and it will head through Vail and right back into Denver – If you can remember to get off at the exit (exit 243) just east of Idaho Springs you can take Rt 6 back to Rt 58 into the City.
The other Option, if you are headed South is to head down to Mesa Verde NP/Cortez by using Rt 145 or through Silverton Rt 550 to Durango and over (Note that 550 is a road that some love and other just think everyone should stay off -- I’ll drive it every time I have a chance but google it to see pictures)
The other popular option is to head to Utah – either from Grand Junction (Colorado Monument) or 141 or 90 over to Rt 191 – if you take I-70 try to remember to get off at exit 214 then follow Rt 128 into Moab –just a Special Drive.
Well that’ my welcome to Colorado Loop – just to drive it and only “see” most of it would take the week and just not be fair but if you really push, it can get you into the state so you return Often to Hike – Bike – Drive, many of the wild and Beautiful areas that are offered. Or you can take your time spending weeks in every location and still return to discover more adventures.
Hope this helps to get your interest up for Colorado.
Bill
See if this Bing Map link helps it shows all the ways to Sheridan.
How did you do in Park City/SLC?
Did I mention lot's of Pictures,
Busskipper
How did you do in Park City/SLC?
Did I mention lot's of Pictures,
Busskipper
Everyone should know that allowing me to vicariously enjoy your adventures is enjoyable, granted not as nearly as much as being there but none the less enjoyable.
So that said - "any suggestions on a route like that to Cody????? " the only route that is easy, is Rt 16 West to East, I know I've driven numerous times but I, for the life of me have no memory of it, just a road into or out of the park. Cody, neat little town, with a Wal*Mart (Re-Supply) Buffalo Museum, an outpost/portal for YNP. Has a Nice little RV park - just east of the Wal*Mart going into town. The town should still have a little of the End of Season visitors so plus or minus, depending on what you like. (side bar here - I do remember Rt 14 over the mountains - Leaving YNP with the kids one year - starting out at 8AM but getting out at 8PM - so driving out the tops of the mountain we saw the Northern Lights at 2AM the next morning - great to see the lights - bad I didn't really get to enjoy the drive on all the Hairpin turns at 10,000 feet think we might have spent the night in Sheridan the next day)
You must get into the Jeep and drive Chief Joseph and Beartooth Highways, again slowly, stopping often taking pictures to share when you get home - remember 3-5+ shots of each scene, so as not to miss anything with a blurred shot.
Another side bar - You will possible see the Tetons from Jackson - you will not see YNP - just to drive to the north end of the park from Jackson will likely take over 5 hours one way - no stops just driving - so enjoy your Banking Meeting in Jackson - (Fed Bank is meeting there now) - see Jackson Lake, have lunch or dinner in the lodge, take a hike, or a boat ride and just soak up the view......It never gets Old, no matter how much or how many times you see it, nothing like it in the World. JMHO.
Last side note - in 1988 YNP had the big fire, My early memories of YNP were pre-fire so for many of us it still has a long way to go before it gets back to the majestic beauty I remember seeing when I was younger (like the Beetle Kill) - but even though I remember it differently - it is just more amazing every time we visit, and I can't wait to return.
Again I begin just rambling on - Your week in YNP will fly by so enjoy every minute, if I can be of any more help just let me know - I can't wait till I get back.
Thank you for letting me share your trip.
Bill
So that said - "any suggestions on a route like that to Cody????? " the only route that is easy, is Rt 16 West to East, I know I've driven numerous times but I, for the life of me have no memory of it, just a road into or out of the park. Cody, neat little town, with a Wal*Mart (Re-Supply) Buffalo Museum, an outpost/portal for YNP. Has a Nice little RV park - just east of the Wal*Mart going into town. The town should still have a little of the End of Season visitors so plus or minus, depending on what you like. (side bar here - I do remember Rt 14 over the mountains - Leaving YNP with the kids one year - starting out at 8AM but getting out at 8PM - so driving out the tops of the mountain we saw the Northern Lights at 2AM the next morning - great to see the lights - bad I didn't really get to enjoy the drive on all the Hairpin turns at 10,000 feet think we might have spent the night in Sheridan the next day)
You must get into the Jeep and drive Chief Joseph and Beartooth Highways, again slowly, stopping often taking pictures to share when you get home - remember 3-5+ shots of each scene, so as not to miss anything with a blurred shot.
Another side bar - You will possible see the Tetons from Jackson - you will not see YNP - just to drive to the north end of the park from Jackson will likely take over 5 hours one way - no stops just driving - so enjoy your Banking Meeting in Jackson - (Fed Bank is meeting there now) - see Jackson Lake, have lunch or dinner in the lodge, take a hike, or a boat ride and just soak up the view......It never gets Old, no matter how much or how many times you see it, nothing like it in the World. JMHO.
Last side note - in 1988 YNP had the big fire, My early memories of YNP were pre-fire so for many of us it still has a long way to go before it gets back to the majestic beauty I remember seeing when I was younger (like the Beetle Kill) - but even though I remember it differently - it is just more amazing every time we visit, and I can't wait to return.
Again I begin just rambling on - Your week in YNP will fly by so enjoy every minute, if I can be of any more help just let me know - I can't wait till I get back.
Thank you for letting me share your trip.
Bill
Belgique wrote:
Busskipper: you're a true Gentleman for the time you take to post such descriptive ideas for us flatlanders. Loved reading this thread and the great counsel you gave me in response to my PM. Thanks!
Thank You,
The information shared on this site is second to none, I have learned SO much and it is just a pleasure to share with others.
Thanks for the kind words,
Bill
CLAlvarez1956 wrote:
Thanks for the tips! We will definitely check out some good restaurants.
Now, for more road suggestions! We aren't going to do the dinosaur/Rte. 40 this trip. Maybe with the grandkids. We are going straight from Park City to Jackson, WY (then taking the toad into Yellowstone/Grand Tetons, etc.) May not be able to do the Beartooth (I don't think I could stand it!!!) but may take the toad on Chief Joseph's Hwy, but we'll decide that later. Best route? The GPS is taking me 80 east, to 150/89 north, to 16 No. to 30 to 191. What do you think?
For the life of me I can't find your route? Could you list the towns you will be going through?
The route is not really anything but what looks good to you as it is Jackson Hole - Totally surrounded by MOUNTAINS.
Because I actually look for those Mountains to drive in I am having a hard time remembering a level, easy way in. But in trying to locate your route this is what looked EASY (which I think is your route)
I80 to Evanston, WY then 89/16 to Woodruff, UT then East on 16/89 to 30/89 at Sage, WY then North on 89 to Alpine, WY then Heading northeast on Rt 26 along the Snake River to Hoback Junction and taking Rt 189 into Jackson. (I'm pretty sure this is the route you were describing - flat and follows the river into Jackson so it should be a beautiful drive, that is free of any fears.
Jackson is really not my sort of place, unless you have ski's on your shoulder - just reminds me of Estes but more money, and just too touristy. So a walk through and around the town square and then get me as close to Jackson Lake as possible.
If you can get into Yellowstone lodge for a night, they usually have a number of cancellations so we always try it, as IMHO, the lodge is a BIG part of the history of YNP, and it is always a great story later (Walls are paper thin so speak softly) . Also I hope you are Staying in the Park in the Coach - It is a BIG AREA, and driving in and out is, IMHO, crazy, so even if you have to Dry Camp, try to stay in the Park.
Jealous of you all, this is one of the BEST TIMEs to visit Yellowstone - Crowds should be lighter and the sights are so much more fun when you can park without waiting 30 minutes, as in the summer season. Again every time you go to take a picture, take at least 3, Make sure you have waterproof gear and some fleece - might see a little ICE when you wake up some mornings, and like I said the Tetons should get the first coating while you are there.
Hope this is not too confusing, just my rambling on about your great trip.
Best of Luck,
Did I say to TAKE a LOT of PICTURES - you will be amazed at how many things you missed when you look at them after you get back home.
