Longer closure gathering momentum...

[garyhaupt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfT3rOSb9ko&fbclid=IwAR0WD6RRpndmOfomHb__ZCMjVa5I4U65goCwWOKanU-T5V1...

Gary Haupt

[Reisender]

wilber1 wrote:

Boon Docker wrote:
"Just open the **** border."

That would be the stupidest thing to do, bar none.

X2

Announced today, the border will remain closed until at least Aug.30.

That would be excellent news Wilber. Couldn’t find it in an announcement. Is it just recent news???

[wilber1]

Boon Docker wrote:
"Just open the **** border."

That would be the stupidest thing to do, bar none.

X2

Announced today, the border will remain closed until at least Aug.30.

[Boon_Docker]

"Just open the **** border."

That would be the stupidest thing to do, bar none.

[Orion]

"You're more likely to die from it here than there. 2 to 1. Per capita, of course.
Just open the **** border."

I think you have that backwards, if you think that you are more likely to die from Covid in Canada than in the US! Their per capita deaths per 1m is 397 and Canada is 229! Lower is good!

[MDKMDK]

JaxDad wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:
I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power.

When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious.

The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected.

You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”?

If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind.

"the infection rate per capita" is another meaningless stat when you consider population densities here and there, and the number of large cities thay have versus the number of large and densely populated ones up here. How many infections require medical attention? How many hospitalizations? ICU visits? Morgue? That's why I suggested there are too many factors and too much ambiguity in terminaology, and the interpretations of the data they're collecting for there to ever be a right, one size fits all, answer, besides herd immunity and flattening the curve by attrition. We're chasing out tails endlessly on how to deal with this, and the experts can't even agree on mask or no mask. Just keep the highest risk people out of harm's way for a little longer, and lets get on with it. We've been nauseated from Covid19 for almost 6 months now, and I just think it's time to stick our finger down our throat, and get it over with.
I still respect your opinions. FWIW.
I bid you all adieu. Have a nice weekend, wherever you may be.

I hear what your saying, but as my grandpa used to say, you've got your shoes on the wrong way around there.

In the US the percentage of population that lives in a urban area in the US is about 80.7%. so then about 19.3 % of the population lives in a rural area.

In Canada the percentage of population that lives in a urban area is about 81.4 %. so then about 18.6 % of the population lives in a rural area.

So in fact Canada has a higher percentage of the population living in an urban area.

Understood, and that's where the majority of the cases are being discovered. Their pace of testing is a half again as many as us.
If we kept pace with them for testing ourselves, at the same rate, we'd probably look about the same or possibly a bit worse. It all depends on who you ask or where you get your stats. Type of test, who is performing them, what's the rate of inconclusives, false + or -, it can skew the numbers. Their total tests performed would cover our entire population.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
I thought I unsubscribed from this thread???
“Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.”

Your numbers fail your argument again neighbour.

The US (as of July 1) has tested about 103k / million of population.

Canada has tested about 73k / million of population.

The US has therefore tested about 50 % (per capita) more people than Canada but has nearly THREE times the number of cases (per capita again) than Canada does.

You're more likely to die from it here than there. 2 to 1. Per capita, of course.
Just open the **** border.

[wilber1]

Big on the news in BC. British Columbians and BC government getting upset at the number of Americans who are using the Alaska loop hole to visit Canada and are asking the federal government to take action.

Washington is averaging 650 new cases a day. BC had 24 over the last two days and is losing its sense of humour with our Washington friends.

[JaxDad]

MDKMDK wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:
I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power.

When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious.

The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected.

You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”?

If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind.

"the infection rate per capita" is another meaningless stat when you consider population densities here and there, and the number of large cities thay have versus the number of large and densely populated ones up here. How many infections require medical attention? How many hospitalizations? ICU visits? Morgue? That's why I suggested there are too many factors and too much ambiguity in terminaology, and the interpretations of the data they're collecting for there to ever be a right, one size fits all, answer, besides herd immunity and flattening the curve by attrition. We're chasing out tails endlessly on how to deal with this, and the experts can't even agree on mask or no mask. Just keep the highest risk people out of harm's way for a little longer, and lets get on with it. We've been nauseated from Covid19 for almost 6 months now, and I just think it's time to stick our finger down our throat, and get it over with.
I still respect your opinions. FWIW.
I bid you all adieu. Have a nice weekend, wherever you may be.

I hear what your saying, but as my grandpa used to say, you've got your shoes on the wrong way around there.

In the US the percentage of population that lives in a urban area in the US is about 80.7%. so then about 19.3 % of the population lives in a rural area.

In Canada the percentage of population that lives in a urban area is about 81.4 %. so then about 18.6 % of the population lives in a rural area.

So in fact Canada has a higher percentage of the population living in an urban area.

Understood, and that's where the majority of the cases are being discovered. Their pace of testing is a half again as many as us.
If we kept pace with them for testing ourselves, at the same rate, we'd probably look about the same or possibly a bit worse. It all depends on who you ask or where you get your stats. Type of test, who is performing them, what's the rate of inconclusives, false + or -, it can skew the numbers. Their total tests performed would cover our entire population.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
I thought I unsubscribed from this thread???
“Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.”

Your numbers fail your argument again neighbour.

The US (as of July 1) has tested about 103k / million of population.

Canada has tested about 73k / million of population.

The US has therefore tested about 50 % (per capita) more people than Canada but has nearly THREE times the number of cases (per capita again) than Canada does.

[Veebyes]

“And I can see Russia from my house.”

No you can't. The Home Depot sits on a hill above Wassila. I have been up there on a clear day. Not a chance of seeing Russia from there.

[Reisender]

MDKMDK wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:
I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power.

When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious.

The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected.

You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”?

If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind.

"the infection rate per capita" is another meaningless stat when you consider population densities here and there, and the number of large cities thay have versus the number of large and densely populated ones up here. How many infections require medical attention? How many hospitalizations? ICU visits? Morgue? That's why I suggested there are too many factors and too much ambiguity in terminaology, and the interpretations of the data they're collecting for there to ever be a right, one size fits all, answer, besides herd immunity and flattening the curve by attrition. We're chasing out tails endlessly on how to deal with this, and the experts can't even agree on mask or no mask. Just keep the highest risk people out of harm's way for a little longer, and lets get on with it. We've been nauseated from Covid19 for almost 6 months now, and I just think it's time to stick our finger down our throat, and get it over with.
I still respect your opinions. FWIW.
I bid you all adieu. Have a nice weekend, wherever you may be.

I hear what your saying, but as my grandpa used to say, you've got your shoes on the wrong way around there.

In the US the percentage of population that lives in a urban area in the US is about 80.7%. so then about 19.3 % of the population lives in a rural area.

In Canada the percentage of population that lives in a urban area is about 81.4 %. so then about 18.6 % of the population lives in a rural area.

So in fact Canada has a higher percentage of the population living in an urban area.

Understood, and that's where the majority of the cases are being discovered. Their pace of testing is a half again as many as us.
If we kept pace with them for testing ourselves, at the same rate, we'd probably look about the same or possibly a bit worse. It all depends on who you ask or where you get your stats. Type of test, who is performing them, what's the rate of inconclusives, false + or -, it can skew the numbers. Their total tests performed would cover our entire population.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
I thought I unsubscribed from this thread???
“Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.”

Hospitalizations and deaths per million is probably a better metric. Real happy to see their death rate start to come down. Wishing them future success and condolences for theirs and everybodies losses. We have so many family friends and neighbours there. So far we have lost none. Hoping it stays that way.

[MDKMDK]

JaxDad wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:
I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power.

When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious.

The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected.

You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”?

If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind.

"the infection rate per capita" is another meaningless stat when you consider population densities here and there, and the number of large cities thay have versus the number of large and densely populated ones up here. How many infections require medical attention? How many hospitalizations? ICU visits? Morgue? That's why I suggested there are too many factors and too much ambiguity in terminaology, and the interpretations of the data they're collecting for there to ever be a right, one size fits all, answer, besides herd immunity and flattening the curve by attrition. We're chasing out tails endlessly on how to deal with this, and the experts can't even agree on mask or no mask. Just keep the highest risk people out of harm's way for a little longer, and lets get on with it. We've been nauseated from Covid19 for almost 6 months now, and I just think it's time to stick our finger down our throat, and get it over with.
I still respect your opinions. FWIW.
I bid you all adieu. Have a nice weekend, wherever you may be.

I hear what your saying, but as my grandpa used to say, you've got your shoes on the wrong way around there.

In the US the percentage of population that lives in a urban area in the US is about 80.7%. so then about 19.3 % of the population lives in a rural area.

In Canada the percentage of population that lives in a urban area is about 81.4 %. so then about 18.6 % of the population lives in a rural area.

So in fact Canada has a higher percentage of the population living in an urban area.

Understood, and that's where the majority of the cases are being discovered. Their pace of testing is a half again as many as us.
If we kept pace with them for testing ourselves, at the same rate, we'd probably look about the same or possibly a bit worse. It all depends on who you ask or where you get your stats. Type of test, who is performing them, what's the rate of inconclusives, false + or -, it can skew the numbers. Their total tests performed would cover our entire population.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
I thought I unsubscribed from this thread???
“Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.”

[GeeWillakers]

That’s an interesting statistic. I didn’t know that but cruising around Bc, AB, and YT it makes sense. FWIW I’m a snowbird and don’t want the border opened. Not going south this year or to Europe unless things change. Many in my community are long time snowbirds and none want to go south this year. Two are US citizens who have to go south and are worried about it.

[JaxDad]

MDKMDK wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:
I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power.

When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious.

The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected.

You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”?

If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind.

"the infection rate per capita" is another meaningless stat when you consider population densities here and there, and the number of large cities thay have versus the number of large and densely populated ones up here. How many infections require medical attention? How many hospitalizations? ICU visits? Morgue? That's why I suggested there are too many factors and too much ambiguity in terminaology, and the interpretations of the data they're collecting for there to ever be a right, one size fits all, answer, besides herd immunity and flattening the curve by attrition. We're chasing out tails endlessly on how to deal with this, and the experts can't even agree on mask or no mask. Just keep the highest risk people out of harm's way for a little longer, and lets get on with it. We've been nauseated from Covid19 for almost 6 months now, and I just think it's time to stick our finger down our throat, and get it over with.
I still respect your opinions. FWIW.
I bid you all adieu. Have a nice weekend, wherever you may be.

I hear what your saying, but as my grandpa used to say, you've got your shoes on the wrong way around there.

In the US the percentage of population that lives in a urban area in the US is about 80.7%. so then about 19.3 % of the population lives in a rural area.

In Canada the percentage of population that lives in a urban area is about 81.4 %. so then about 18.6 % of the population lives in a rural area.

So in fact Canada has a higher percentage of the population living in an urban area.

[MDKMDK]

JaxDad wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:
I, for one, don't like the border closed. As this whole mess unfolded, many of us Canucks began to realize it's not so much about public safety as it is about people control and government over reach/power.

When I first started to read that post I was waiting for the punch line, then I realized you were being serious.

The whole point of isolation is to slow the spread of the virus to the point where the medical community can handle those infected.

You may have heard of the term “flatten the curve”?

If you look at the infection rate per capita on each side of the border and let those numbers sink in, you might just change your mind.

"the infection rate per capita" is another meaningless stat when you consider population densities here and there, and the number of large cities thay have versus the number of large and densely populated ones up here. How many infections require medical attention? How many hospitalizations? ICU visits? Morgue? That's why I suggested there are too many factors and too much ambiguity in terminaology, and the interpretations of the data they're collecting for there to ever be a right, one size fits all, answer, besides herd immunity and flattening the curve by attrition. We're chasing out tails endlessly on how to deal with this, and the experts can't even agree on mask or no mask. Just keep the highest risk people out of harm's way for a little longer, and lets get on with it. We've been nauseated from Covid19 for almost 6 months now, and I just think it's time to stick our finger down our throat, and get it over with.
I still respect your opinions. FWIW.
I bid you all adieu. Have a nice weekend, wherever you may be.

[gmckenzie]

Compare Covid stats between BC and Washington State. There's a clear indication why the border needs to stay closed.

[MDKMDK]

NRALIFR wrote:
“ (not really, just pulling that old Sarah Palin gaff out of the archives for effect)”


I know that was said in jest, and I accept it as such. But, just for the record, that was actually Tina Fey, playing Sarah Palin on SNL, who said “And I can see Russia from my house.”

What Sarah Palin actually said, and is 100% true, is that “They’re our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska”.

While that quote even gets a chuckle out of me, It’s very much like the quote that’s always attributed to Sherlock Holmes. He never said that in any of the books authored by his creator.

:):)

I didn't expect to "fact checked" on that reference, but right you are. I was thinking more people might recall the SNL skit by using SP's name than TF's. Haven't watched SNL since the mid-80s. Lorne Michaels must be the unofficial king of TV producer longevity? Born in Toronto left Canada to make his home in the USA, and became a US citizen in 1987, like most of our successful media types eventually do.
Thinking about the Russia reference, we could have seen Russia from the Yukon, and BC, if you folks hadn't bought that big snowy piece of real estate from them. There are probably still lots of Russian names and places up there to this day. I almost spit coffee when I saw the sign for Kalifornsky when we were headed out towards Homer a few years ago. It's quite a place, Alaska.