Goodyear G614 tires

[wacdmc]

In my reviews of these forums the last few weeks, I've read about a bunch of Goodyear G614 failures but no Sailun S637 failures.

I can't see spending $500 extra to get Goodyear tires with a history of blowouts in order to replace tires on my camper that also have a history of blowouts (Power King Tow Max).

Were the Goodyear failures on older models and are they improved now?

[NC_Hauler]

mobilcastle wrote:
I brought these out on the forum months ago. I have them and they are heavy tires. So far they have been excellent.

Keep us posted, the more "owner" info we have on them, the better:)

[sk734]

I brought these out on the forum months ago. I have them and they are heavy tires. So far they have been excellent.

[NC_Hauler]

Lantley wrote:
I actually own G rated Sailuns and I can tell you they are more substantial than the Commercial T/A's that I upgraded to on my prior rig.

Knew you owned them and appreciate your keeping us up to date on how they are working out for you. Through reports from you and others who own the Sailun G rated tires, we should be able to get a pretty good idea of how good of a tire they're going to be...

[Lantley]

I actually own G rated Sailuns and I can tell you they are more substantial than the Commercial T/A's that I upgraded to on my prior rig.

[NC_Hauler]

Agree with you on this Chris....all ST tires AREN'T manufactured the same way.....The Sailun is one "exception to the rule" of ST tires being cheaply manufactured with basically NO quality standards built into the process. IF the "other" ST tire manufacturers have these quality processes in place, it's certainly not highly touted or lauded by the very tire manufacturer themselves ..which leads me to believe, they too don't have much confidence in their very own tires...just another cheap tire sold in mass volumes to rv manufacturers to save a buck and pass the inferior product on to a customer that thinks the manufacturer has their best interest at heart....Not all rv manufacturers mind you, but a LOT of them to be sure...just go to an rv dealership and look at the brand name of most tires on the TT's and 5er's and convince yourself that most manufacturers haven't cut corners on one of the more important components on the rv....any way to save a buck and charge the customer more....I doubt they care if your setting on the side of the road due to a tire failure, they have their money and life goes on.....

Sailun tires, to me, are manufactured with pride and confidence in their product due to the certifications they have earned...if they didn't produce a quality product, or care whether they had a "good reputation" or not, you wouldn't see these accreditations in place. Those who have been a part of these certification requirement audits and understand how they are earned, as I have, KNOW these mean a lot in the manufacturing process and speaks volumes for the quality manufactured into the product..

[Me_Again]

Lantley wrote:

Me Again wrote:
Jim, one of the interesting questions to be asked is, are there manufacturers that have started using the Sailun OEM on 7k axles? Does either Tredit or Tireco have this tire in its stable. Here is part of the answer!

http://www.tredittire.com/SailunHercules-P64.aspx

On the left hand side of the picture it is branded "For Trailer Service Only"! That may indicate that is did not under go the same DOT testing that a normal LT tire does.

Chris

Honestly I have no problem with that designation because we are discussing trailer tires. I like the fact that it is designed specifically for trailer use. I imagine it has stiffer sidewalls than a true LT tire.
Sailun is making a heavy duty commercial grade specific product.They are not trying to build a general use LT Tire like an XPS RIB, Duravis or Commercial T/A.
It appears to me that Sailun is making just what the Doctor ordered for our heavier trailers

Oh the myths of sidewalls. The Sailun S637 is a steel ply carcass tire and will have a very stiff sidewall just like the G614, G114(17.5""), XPS Rib, BS R250 and M895, or any other commercial grade steel ply carcass tire. These are all tires that weight 56 to 61 or so pounds.

The run of the mill 35 pound ST does not have a stiffer sidewall than the run of the mill poly carcass LT that weighs 41-44 pounds. The sidewall of ST tires fall between P rated and LT tires. If ST tires were as good as their marketing, we would not be reading about all the failures. FE recently put up a link to the Heartland forum. I will link even deeper than his link, right to the tire section. See if you see what I saw when I went there.

http://www.heartlandowners.org/forumdisplay.php/58-Tires-and-Wheels-(For-RV-s)

Chris

[Lantley]

Me Again wrote:
Jim, one of the interesting questions to be asked is, are there manufacturers that have started using the Sailun OEM on 7k axles? Does either Tredit or Tireco have this tire in its stable. Here is part of the answer!

http://www.tredittire.com/SailunHercules-P64.aspx

On the left hand side of the picture it is branded "For Trailer Service Only"! That may indicate that is did not under go the same DOT testing that a normal LT tire does.

Chris

Honestly I have no problem with that designation because we are discussing trailer tires. I like the fact that it is designed specifically for trailer use. I imagine it has stiffer sidewalls than a true LT tire.
Sailun is making a heavy duty commercial grade specific product.They are not trying to build a general use LT Tire like an XPS RIB, Duravis or Commercial T/A.
It appears to me that Sailun is making just what the Doctor ordered for our heavier trailers

[NC_Hauler]

Me Again wrote:
Jim, one of the interesting questions to be asked is, are there manufacturers that have started using the Sailun OEM on 7k axles? Does either Tredit or Tireco have this tire in its stable. Here is part of the answer!

http://www.tredittire.com/SailunHercules-P64.aspx

On the left hand side of the picture it is branded "For Trailer Service Only"! That may indicate that is did not under go the same DOT testing that a normal LT tire does.

Chris

Thanks for the link Chris...I don't know if the Sailun tires are being purchased by trailer manufacturers and being put on any particular TT or 5th wheel, (we're talking "G" rated, so would go with 5th wheel OEM equipment here)..

As far as the testing goes due to signage of "For Trailer Service only"...I still have to fall back on all the Quality processes that the Sailun Manufacturer has in place....They meet the same stringent Manufacturing and Quality process requirements that "MY" manufacturing plant has to meet to make it in the business world today, have an excellent reputation and be a Tier 1 Supplier. ISO16969 and 14001 standards for manufacturing processes, heavy emphasis on quality control processes, make me feel pretty good about this tire....These certifications aren't given to a manufacturer....you have to earn them....Auditing can last longer than a couple of weeks, going through manufacturers manufacturing and quality and testing processes, operating instructions, training instructions, as well as records of training for at least a year from the last audit....IF there are findings, you have to "fix" them in a short time frame or lose your accreditation...and without these hard earned accreditation's, one can lose a lot of business and will not be able to compete in the business world today, or have the reputation of a Tier 1 supplier.. I know some don't have all these quality processes in place and seem to do well in the "ST" market, BUT, as we can see from quite a few threads on these forums, they don't fair very well and don't have a very good reputation....

So what I do know, as far as the Sailun tires manufacturing process, is that they have a VERY GOOD one in place, meet STRINGENT guidelines in the manufacturing AND QUALITY processes of the tires they produce.....

I also know IF they end up with a bad reputation, or fail somewhere with the "G" rated tire, they could lose their ISO certifications over "X" amount of consumer complaints, if proven true... should that happen, it would impact their business in a negative way....ie, if for no other reason than them getting bad mouthed on forums like these if their product isn't backed up by it's performance.

..Again, only time will tell....I'm really glad we possibly have a tire to compete with the GY G614..maybe, as you stated on another of these tire threads, GY will lower the price on their G614's if the competition proves to be very good and are priced lower.....heres hoping:)

[Me_Again]

Jim, one of the interesting questions to be asked is, are there manufacturers that have started using the Sailun OEM on 7k axles? Does either Tredit or Tireco have this tire in its stable. Here is part of the answer!

http://www.tredittire.com/SailunHercules-P64.aspx

On the left hand side of the picture it is branded "For Trailer Service Only"! That may indicate that is did not under go the same DOT testing that a normal LT tire does.

Chris

[NC_Hauler]

Me Again wrote:

Us out West wrote:
Maybe a separate thread on the Sailun's would be good...get the current Sailun talk out of a GY thread.

I believe we only know about three load range G 16" steel ply carcass LT tires. The GY G614, The Sailun S 637 and the GeoStar G574. What is the problem with talking about more than one of them in the same thread. They are the only game(s) in town so to speak for a LRG 16" LT tire. Chris

Have to agree with Chris on this one. There are not that many reputable "G" rated tires on the market for those of us who use that tire. I don't know that much about the GeoStar G574 and would have to do some research on it like I did with the Sailun tires, but being able to see these post, comparing how each brand tire is working for others and how the company handles "customer service" if/or when a tire would fail due to something other than a road hazard, over or under tire inflation and overloading the tires...

One might want to start a thread entitled, "Sailun Tire information Only"...and ask for input from those who actually own the tire and those give their experiences with them, up to and including, where they got them and what the cost of them were....I think this would be quite informative and helpful, at the very least, to those of us who use "G" rated tires on our 5er's..

.......

[cummins2014]

NC Hauler wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
I don't look at it as bad-mouthing the Sailun tires. I bought the Sailun and I'm always interested in anything I hear, or someone passes along, about them. You just have to separate the wheat from the chaff on anything you hear.

Agree. I've really not heard or read anything bad about them...Give it another year or so and if they're reputation stands up, they will without a doubt, be a viable option....

Poor choice of words ( bad mouthing ) But my point is we have two thousand happy customers, then one guy comes on here, and said he read somewhere about poor tire wear, and we are off ,and running, we got a bad tire. Yes give the Sailun some time see how they pan out.

[LostinAZ]

richardcoxid wrote:
One of my “original 5 G/Y “G” rated tires was always 10-15# low on pressure. I must have had the tire and rim “dunked” 5-6 times with NO bubbles visible. One tire shop finally dis-mounted the tire and on removal of the metal stem found that the molded seal had been installed at an angle and pinched between the rim and the stem. They said that when the tire wasn’t rotating it would seal OK, when the tire was rotating there just enough “rim flex” even though it would only flex a few thousandths of an inch it would squeak out a small amount of air every rotation. They installed a new metal stem and seal and the air loss went to “zero”.

Excellent investigative work!

[Tireman9]

richardcoxid wrote:
One of my “original 5 G/Y “G” rated tires was always 10-15# low on pressure. I must have had the tire and rim “dunked” 5-6 times with NO bubbles visible. One tire shop finally dis-mounted the tire and on removal of the metal stem found that the molded seal had been installed at an angle and pinched between the rim and the stem. They said that when the tire wasn’t rotating it would seal OK, when the tire was rotating there just enough “rim flex” even though it would only flex a few thousandths of an inch it would squeak out a small amount of air every rotation. They installed a new metal stem and seal and the air loss went to “zero”.

Good Job.
Glad you were able to confirm the real cause of the problem. Someone that didn't pay attention like you do might just drive the tires "flat", have a "blowout" and blamed the tires.

[richardcoxid]

One of my “original 5 G/Y “G” rated tires was always 10-15# low on pressure. I must have had the tire and rim “dunked” 5-6 times with NO bubbles visible. One tire shop finally dis-mounted the tire and on removal of the metal stem found that the molded seal had been installed at an angle and pinched between the rim and the stem. They said that when the tire wasn’t rotating it would seal OK, when the tire was rotating there just enough “rim flex” even though it would only flex a few thousandths of an inch it would squeak out a small amount of air every rotation. They installed a new metal stem and seal and the air loss went to “zero”.