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Tire Pressure for G Rated Tires

jamjrks
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My 2016 Montana High Country came with ST 235/80R/16 E tires rated for a max load of 3,420 pounds at 80 psi. The selling dealer upgraded the tires to Goodyear G614s 235/85R/16 G rated for a max load of 3,750 pounds at 110 psI. My question is at what psi should I inflate the tires? I am very careful not to exceed the GV weight for my fifth wheel, so I don't think I need to run the tires at 110 psi. Would appreciate any advice on what psi I should use. Thanks
2008 Silverado 3500HD Crewcab, Big Dooley, Duramax
2016 Montana High Country 370BR
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Cummins12V98
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I stand by what I said as it came DIRECTLY from GY Tech Support and makes comlplate sense when up sizing as "E" to "G" or "G" to "H".
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Cummins12V98
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jamjrks wrote:
Wow, thanks for all the feedback. Sure a lot of good information to consider. To answer a few of the questions raised, I have weighed my fifth wheel (by axle and hitch) and I am not exceeding the gvw of the fifth wheel. My wheels are 8 lug and can handle the G614 tire. I do not intend to overload my fifth wheel and I weigh it frequently to make certain the weight is "legal." I wanted G tires instead of E tires for an added safety margin, not to carry a heavier load. Now having said that, I believe the GY tire load chart will help me determine the psi I will use. Thanks again for all the feedback.


You will be at 85psi no doubt.
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jadatis
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Best is not to go blind on the pressure/loadcapacity chards that you find on the internet, especially those made for the American market.
They are made with a formula that leads to to much deflection in the lower pressures.

America stepped over to the European calculation as late as 2006 , Europe used that calculation for all kind of tires from Standard load up to truck-tire for decades.
America only stepped over to Eur calc for Standard load and XL P-tires and left C-load and up to the old calculation.
The conclusion of an article of American IR J.C. Daws is that the Eur calc is adequate for Standard Load and XL , but for the higher Loadranges ( certainly from E-load) even the Eur calc comes to to low loadcapacity's in the lower pressures.

Best is to use my made extra save pressure/loadcapacity lists.
those are maybe even a bit pessimistic so never unsave for tires.
Extra save pressure loadcapacity lists
PDF leftclick look in browser, rightclick download to your com...

JIMNLIN
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Goodyear says quote;
Goodyear Tire and Rubber .... weighing RVs
Special Considerations

" Unless trying to resolve poor ride quality problems with an RV trailer, it is recommended that trailer tires be inflated to the pressure indicated on the sidewall of the tire. Trailer tires experience significant lateral (side-to-side) loads due to vehicle sway from uneven roads or passing vehicles. Using the inflation pressure engraved on the sidewall will provide optimum load carrying capacity and minimize heat build-up."
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RVtiresafety.com says quote;
"The manufacturers do not take into consideration the side to side unbalance, as to do so would require them to provide larger (more expensive) tires. The other thing RV industry does not take into consideration is the forces to the tire structure due to running close axle spacing. Engineering analysis shows that when turning corners the forces trying to tear the tire apart can be over 20% higher in multi-axle applications than with tires at the corners of the vehicle.
The only options for the trailer owner are to up-size the tires (if there is room) or up-rate and increase inflation (if a higher Load Range tire and stronger wheels are available). Lacking the above being sure to run the tire at the inflation shown on the sidewall (i.e. max) will slightly decrease but not eliminate the overload forces."
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rvsafety.com

Tire Load and Inflation Ratings

Note: Towable – Travel Trailer/ 5th Wheel owners Due to the severe use conditions experienced by tires when axles are very close together – tire industry experts recommend maximum (sidewall) inflation pressure for towable tires unless this causes a sever over-inflation situation (20psi+), often referred to as the ‘basketball effect’. If this is your situation allow a 10 – 15psi safety margin above the minimum required inflation pressure."
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fifthwheelstreet.com

Step #5..
Selecting the Correct Tire Pressure for Your Trailer
We at Fifth Wheel St. no longer recommend adjusting trailer tire inflation pressure below the maximum load PSI rating molded on the sidewall (and only if the wheel/rim is appropriately rated) regardless of the measured scaled weight of individual tire or axle positions for all multi-axle trailers.

However, we do strongly recommend weighing individual trailer tire positions to ensure none of the axles or tire positions are overloaded. Reports have shown that trailers do not have equal weight across all tire positions. Some RV load configurations may reveal as much as 20% difference between the front and rear axle. This especially true for Toy Haulers. It is possible that mismanaged trailer load distribution will cause one end of an axle or a tire to be overloaded. It has been stated, but never confirmed by any RV Weighmaster, that there are many RVs traveling on the road with at least one tire or axle side overloaded. The only way to ensure tires and or axles are not overloaded is to weigh each tire position on your trailer. Unfortunately, attempting to obtain accurate individual tire position weight is practically impossible at all truck scales. View our list of recommend RV Weighmasters here.

- See more at: http://fifthwheelst.com/step5.html#sthash.FIAc3k0Z.dpuf
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Never heard of derating a tire on a trailer with a minimum pressure from a tire chart till I came on a RV website. However some folks over tire their trailer above the 10-15 percent reserve capacity so common sense tells us at some point a 3750 lb rated tire on a axle with a 2800-3000 lb load 110 psi may be way too much tire and pressure for the job.

Like Michelin truck tire says ;
.. max tire performance and max reliability.. comes at max pressures.


I wouldn't reccomend anyone run a minimum pressure from a tire pressure chart for tire on a trailer. Tireman9 tire blog rvtiresafety.com on ply shear tells one story.
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jamjrks
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Wow, thanks for all the feedback. Sure a lot of good information to consider. To answer a few of the questions raised, I have weighed my fifth wheel (by axle and hitch) and I am not exceeding the gvw of the fifth wheel. My wheels are 8 lug and can handle the G614 tire. I do not intend to overload my fifth wheel and I weigh it frequently to make certain the weight is "legal." I wanted G tires instead of E tires for an added safety margin, not to carry a heavier load. Now having said that, I believe the GY tire load chart will help me determine the psi I will use. Thanks again for all the feedback.
2008 Silverado 3500HD Crewcab, Big Dooley, Duramax
2016 Montana High Country 370BR

Me_Again
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Over inflation can lead to impact damage also. Chris
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Cummins12V98
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rhagfo wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Per GY Tech Support when up sizing. Weigh each tire with RV fully loaded. Use the weight/inflation chart then add 5 psi. Better ride better tire wear better braking.

I ran 85 psi on GY G's thousands of miles with perfect wear.

That is what the inflation charts are for.

Don't believe me call GY Tech support.


The best reason for running the CORRECT pressure for the weight carried!!


The lady I spoke to about this subject said run what the RV mfg listed if stock tires. BUT if up sizing use the chart and she did emphasize better braking with proper inflation.
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rhagfo
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
Per GY Tech Support when up sizing. Weigh each tire with RV fully loaded. Use the weight/inflation chart then add 5 psi. Better ride better tire wear better braking.

I ran 85 psi on GY G's thousands of miles with perfect wear.

That is what the inflation charts are for.

Don't believe me call GY Tech support.


The best reason for running the CORRECT pressure for the weight carried!!
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Bipeflier
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Goodyear Chart

Go to the Goodyear chart and look up your tire size. Inflation depends on your load.
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Cummins12V98
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stripit wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Per GY Tech Support when up sizing. Weigh each tire with RV fully loaded. Use the weight/inflation chart then add 5 psi. Better ride better tire wear better braking.

I ran 85 psi on GY G's thousands of miles with perfect wear.

That is what the inflation charts are for.

Don't believe me call GY Tech support.


This is exactly true, weighing each wheel position will give you the numbers you need to utilize the weight/pressure charts. Without knowing what every tire position is carrying your only going to be guessing as to the correct tire pressures needed to carry the load safely. Just because that tire is designed to have a cold inflation rate of 110psi,that can then carry 3,750lbs that may not be the correct tire pressures for your situation.


They recommend inflating to the highest pressure on each axle.
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stripit
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
Per GY Tech Support when up sizing. Weigh each tire with RV fully loaded. Use the weight/inflation chart then add 5 psi. Better ride better tire wear better braking.

I ran 85 psi on GY G's thousands of miles with perfect wear.

That is what the inflation charts are for.

Don't believe me call GY Tech support.


This is exactly true, weighing each wheel position will give you the numbers you need to utilize the weight/pressure charts. Without knowing what every tire position is carrying your only going to be guessing as to the correct tire pressures needed to carry the load safely. Just because that tire is designed to have a cold inflation rate of 110psi,that can then carry 3,750lbs that may not be the correct tire pressures for your situation.
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Cummins12V98
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Per GY Tech Support when up sizing. Weigh each tire with RV fully loaded. Use the weight/inflation chart then add 5 psi. Better ride better tire wear better braking.

I ran 85 psi on GY G's thousands of miles with perfect wear.

That is what the inflation charts are for.

Don't believe me call GY Tech support.
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fj12ryder
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I have the Sailun "G" rated tires on my triple axle toyhauler. I've weighed all my wheels separately and have around 2000 lbs. on each, with 2 of them at 2500 lbs. The Sailun have very stiff sidewalls, if you sit on an unmounted one it barely flexes at all. I run 95-100 psi in mine simply because I'm hoping for a bit less jouncing around due to the stiff sidewalls. I've had them for 3 years and around 12,000 miles and they still look and ride great.
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NHIrish
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If your goal is to give yourself the greatest payload capacity (margin of surplus capacity) then you should air at 110. This gives you the max capacity of the tire...hence the greatest margin of safety.


I have never understood upgrading a tire and then downgrading its capacity by decreasing air pressure...not on a heavy fifth wheel anyway. There are too many unpredictable road forces at play. My 2 cents worth...
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