Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[mudhen]

2006 2500 Dodge CTD, SWB, stock except for Timbrens.
Full fuel and hitch, otherwise empty
front axle 4320#
drive axle 2860#
With 2008 Montana 3000RK loaded for vacation but empty tanks
front axle 4160#
drive axle 5440#
trailer axles 8700#
Therefore 2420# pin weight, total trailer 11,120# Right??
Yes, I see the pin weight took weight off the front axle. Will take that up with the dealer that installed it but the pin does look directly over the axle.

[portscanner]

wfr1 wrote:
Where I am having difficulty is the actual pin weight before we buy the rig. ....

Except for running down to the local truck stop and putting the trailer on the CAT scales, this is the only way I know how to answer that question.

RoyHowdy wrote:
You know the hardest thing to get is real honest down to earth weight ratings from almost anyone. And when you are new and trying to figure all this out, it is a real pain in the neck. So I know what you are going through. I too I'm trying to figure all this out. Just what is an average wight or size 5th whell will the average everyday out of the show room Ford 350 duelly tow? Got to be somekind of average one can expect to go and and look at. But it seems as if the figures are all over the place. And Fords sight does not help that much either. And looking at all the rigs here it seems as if they can tow just about anything. hahahhaha

I did went through the same thing when I upgraded to a 5th wheel. And no, there is no "average" number you can use. It varies depending on options you get on the truck and what stuff you carry with you in the truck (1 person, 2 people, dogs, cats, toys, etc etc). 4wd, diesel, long bed, short bed, crew cab, regular cab, etc etc etc.

Add the pin weight, plus the weight of your "stuff"in the truck plus the weight of the people plus the weight of the truck and compare that to the GVWR that you will find on the door post and see if you got to much weight. Add onto the above weight the weight of the trailer (including all your "stuff" in your trailer) on it's axles and make sure you are not exceeding the GCVW stamped on the same sticker on the door post.

I dont know of any way to get the weight of a truck except to weigh it. I would make it part of the deal . You find a truck you like and you tell the dealer I will buy this if I can have it weighed and it weighs less than X (where X will keep you below the limits outlined above)

[RoyHowdy]

I want to take the time to thank each and everyone that has sent in their weights and ratings. I can't tell you all how helpful this has been. I'm still going through and making a list of of the F350 and trying to get a common average of all weights. But this has been so helpful to a new person like myself in understanding how it all works together. I wish to thank the Forum Moderators for putting all this together for us new people. It is very hard trying to get all of this down when you are new to RV'ing

[RoyHowdy]

You know the hardest thing to get is real honest down to earth weight ratings from almost anyone. And when you are new and trying to figure all this out, it is a real pain in the neck. So I know what you are going through. I too I'm trying to figure all this out. Just what is an average wight or size 5th whell will the average everyday out of the show room Ford 350 duelly tow? Got to be somekind of average one can expect to go and and look at. But it seems as if the figures are all over the place. And Fords sight does not help that much either. And looking at all the rigs here it seems as if they can tow just about anything. hahahhaha

Need help also with real honest answers.

[wfr1]

Where I am having difficulty is the actual pin weight before we buy the rig. We are considering a Komfort 241fs which has a listed pin wt of 1359 lbs, well within the 1700lb bed load of our 2K8 Chevy TD. When I do the math on the trailer this pin wt seems to be arrived at when the 5ver is fully loaded. But is this the actual case? Will it increase when we load the rig? In some rigs we have seen the pin weight is derived with the rig empty (according the salesmen) we have spoken to. We need an accurate number before we buy it and load it up, not after. I spent over 20 years doing weight and balance professionally, can run the math, and can tell when some bozo salesman is blowing smoke. What I want is the real numbers, not smoke and word games. And the manufacture’s brochures are another tangle of numbers that are not standard or uniform. What we want to know, when it is all said and done, is what are the weights when the rig is fully loaded? What are the real world numbers? From reading this topic, it is quite clear that there are loads of misinformation, confusion, and I am afraid, a lot intentional omissions on the part of many manufactures.

[wingrider6]

All of that is well and good, but what I would like to know is how does your "as it comes from the dealer" sticker weight compare to the actual "as it came from the dealer". Are the manufacturers being honest? Are the stickers pretty close to accurate? If so that's all we need to know, after that you load in what you feel comfortable towing--above or below the GVWR of the trailer or truck. My last trailer, a 29' Gulfstream Innsbruck was real close when I weighed it out (before adding tons of personal stuff), haven't weighed my Open Road fiver yet (too late for "as it came from dealer" though).

[cruz]

2004 Silverado 2500 HD D/A, CC, 4x4 SB, SuperSprings,
Wife and Me ... two dogs, full tank, Reese Kwik Slider installed, ready to go ... 7,300#

LF: 2,240 / RF: 2,240 / Total: 4,480
LR: 1,460 / RR: 1,360 / Total: 2,820
Tire Rating 3,340# each.

2008 Jayco Designer 35RLTS - (Pick up in three weeks)
MFG Dry weight: 11,870 / Actual: 12,679
DRY Hitch weight: 2,340 / Actual: TBD
GVWR: 15,800

[mtofell1]

2006 Duramax 4X4 CC Short Box + 2004 Montana 2955RL

Wife and I in the truck (together about 375lbs - I'll leave it to her to give you the breakdown from there), 5th wheel water tanks empty except for about 20 gallons of fresh water. One full propane, one really close to empty. The 5th is setup to use with some food, bedding, TV's, clothes and other stuff. I have the normal tools and bins of stuff in the truck and trailer - nothing crazy heavy but enough to get by. Standard fuel tank (26 gallons) was about 2/3 full.

Front axle - 4400
Rear axle - 5350
Fiver axles - 8600

[RedRam]

teach32696 wrote:
Looks like everyone I read.....they are WAY over-weight!!!

And why is your comment allowed to stand when others are gone ?.It isn't right and Frank should of deleted it long ago.
On the other hand Frank,why are you allowing it to stay here ?.

[wfr1]

Pin Weight?
Were thinking about a new 5th Wheel. The rig were considering has a posted pin weight of 1360 lbs. How is this calculated? Is it the pin weight with the rig at full gross weight or with the rig empty? We are concerned because our TV has a gross wt rating of 9200 lbs and an actual cat weight of 7500 lbs, leaving only 1700 lbs to spare. While this looks good in theory, I am concerned that the pin weight will grow when the rig is filled. The truck is a 2K8 Chevy turbo diesel. While I feel comfortable that the 25ft, 5th wheel were considering is road safe, I am still concerned that we are pushing the posted limits. The axle weights are all good, its the GVWR that is the concern. The axle capacities totals add up to nearly 11,000 lbs, considerably more than the GVWR of 9200 lbs.

[2LVTOGO]

Weights were taken at start of a long trip
(60 gal of diesel, 60# propane, 25 gal of water, empty gray & black tanks)

Steer axle......4,160# (GAWR: 4,670#)
Drive axle......5,980# (GAWR: 6,084#) close to tire limit, will soon be changing to 265/75-16 E tires
Total Truck..10,140# (GVWR: 9,200#) Truck handles this load real well!

Trailer pin........2,780# (truck is level even w/2” drop shackles on rear springs & 30psi in Air Lifts)
Trailer axles...10,680# (GAWR: 7,000# each, MOR/ryde IS)
Total Trailer...13,460# (GVWR: 12,500#) Mfg. says this amount of overweight is not a problem for this trailer—same chassis as on their heavier trailers.

Total (GCW): 20,820# (GCWR: 22,000#, Total Truck + Trailer axles)

Note: Trailer has disc brakes rated for 8,000# per axle & E rated tires, good for max. of 3,042# each.

[wfr1]

2008 Chevy Duramax 4x4 Access Cab Turbo Diesel LTZ
Linux Bed Liner
Nerf Bars
Transfer flow 30 gal in Bed tank

Front Axle 4400 lbs
Rear Axle 3100 lbs
Gross 7500 lbs

2 "crew"
fuel 34 gallons on board

[mtofell1]

Great topic... before I post my weights, this is something that I didn't realize for a long time.... Weigh scales, at least in Oregon, are free to the users... well, not free - you pay with your gas taxes.. point being if you see a scale and are at all curious - USE IT!! It's a great too to see what you're towing at.

TV - Nissan Titan 4X4 LE CC

TT - 1992 Terry 26T TT

After many trips through the scale this is the average.. most times were within a hundered pounds one away or the other;

Front axle - 3300
Rear axle - 3450

TT axles - 6250

This was with a weight distributing hitch set to the best choice.

I've since sold the combo and have a 2500 Duramax and 30' Montana 5th wheel.... I'll report once I hit a scale.

[Emptypockets]

Picture can be seen in our profile:

TV--2003 4dr Dodge 3500 2 wheel drive w/5.9 Cummins
5'ver--2000 Terry 30.5 EX series

Actual scaled weights
Steer axle--4,220 lbs.
Drive axle--6,400 lbs.
Trailer axles--8,900 lbs.
Pin weight--2660 lbs.
total gross weight--19,520 lbs.

TV tires: Goodyear Wrangler SR-A LT 235/80R17 load range E
Max load single 3,086 lbs. @ 80 lbs.air pressure
Max load dual 2,835 lbs. @ 80 lbs. air pressure

Trailer tires: Goodyear Wrangler HT LT 215/85RT16 load range E
Max load single 2,680 lbs. @ 80 lbs. air pressure

If you do the math you will see all tires are below their listed
max. load carrying capacity. Trailer is the closest.
To date the TV tires have 53,000+ miles on them. I have rotated
them 3 times & don't plan to replace them until we return home
in the spring. This will include a trip to Quartzsite, AZ.

See you there, Emptypockets

[benb21601]

07.5 GMC Sierra-4wd, crew cab, standard box, 4wd, LMM Duramax, 6spd Allison, SLT, occupied with 2 adults, 2 kids, and a big GSD
07.5 Jayco Eagle 345BHS-TrailAir Pinbox, 18k Superglide, packed to the gills with anything DW can think of!






steer axle 4380 lb (4800 lb factory rating)
drive axle 5820 lb (6084 lb factory rating)
trailer axle 9600 lb (14000 lb factory rating)

total weight 19800 lb (22000 lb factory GCWR)