Who's got the dealer to actually change the Tires.

[abc40kids]

I've started the slow search of possibly a new fifth wheel and have been told more than once to make sure the dealer takes the Chinese tires off and replace them with "G" load tires. That what I have on my fifth wheel now and agree all these "E" rated tires should not be on these heavier fifth wheels.

So, of course the dealer will change out the tires if you are willing to pay them to do it but who's getting the dealer to change them to save the deal without raising the cost of the unit.

[Chiefcpo]

OK here it tis!!!!!! Madison RV Madison, Alabama. Open Road 5er buyer name Thomas G. sales rep Brian. 6 months ago. Did not change tire just lowered price $1200.00 This was after their final offer, as we were ready to walk out the door..
Just purchased 38GK Redwood from them 3 months ago and was present for Tom's Deal as I had problms with the towmak on a Cougar I had.
Tried to deal with CW but no one responded to my inquires on a Redwood. I had purchased a Cross Road Cruiser, a Couger, and Big Sky from CW, but they were not intrested in my business.

[abc40kids]

I was just curios so thanks to those that responded. I own a retail business and there are times when we do things out of the ordinary to keep a big deal just because the customer did ask and we felt the deal hinged on it.

My bought new in 2006 Cardinal came with Chinese tires but they were load G. I ran them for 4 years with no issues and then to the Goodyear G614.

If I by new I will give it my best shot after I'm good with the deal. Nothing to lose and it seems that everything I'm looking at has E load tires on units my weight and heavier.

If not I'll change them out myself and roll the junk tires in my showroom and get something for them. I really like these Goodyear's though but even these are getting close to 5 years old.

[DutchmenSport]

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[DutchmenSport]

For the OP:

abc40kids wrote:
...but who's getting the dealer to change them to save the deal without raising the cost of the unit.

After reading everything, everyone responded to about your question, I think the conclusion is, only a couple folks who responded actually has "first hand experience" negotiating with the dealer for upgraded tires, and then...they had to pay the difference in the price for them.

So I think your final answer, based upon everyone's response is "no.! Dealers will not negotiate upgraded tires unless you pay the difference, somewhere bundled into the overall cost of the RV. You will pay.

Sorry, I was curious also.

Personally, I've had 3 TT. Dutchmen Sport lite, had it for a little over 3 years and traded. It still had the original tires that came with the camper.

Second camper was a Keystone Springdale. Had it for 8 years. Year 5 the original tires were showing signs of dry rot. Although they probbly had life left in the, we got the changed for Carliles. When we traded the camper, the Carliles were still on the trailer.

Third camper is a Keystone Outback... original tires still. We've had the camper for almost 1 year now. We've traveled from Indiana to Florida, and all over Indiana this summer. I don't track miles, but we've probably put 7000-8000 miles on those tires. I check them every trip diligently only because they are the original tires. And so far there is absolutely no hint of anything funky going on.

Point to be made, if your original tires are inflated properly (all three of my campers were/are inflated to 50 pounds) I have an air compressor and check that regularly too. I cover the tires with tire covers, and when backing up, I attempt to avoid sharp, 90 degree type turns in back up so there is minimal side twisting of the tires. And VERY seldom do I ever tow over 60 mph, and am now NOT driving interstates just so I don't have to drive that fast causing the danger of exceeding the speed rating for the trailer tires. Perhaps these 4 simple user maintenance items have been the key to my success with original tires.

Am I planning on changing my original tires on my current Outback? No.

Am I taking chances, a risk, a danger?

No. I don't think so. Why?

Because I understand the limitations of the tires, and try to use them in compliance with common sense and knowm manufacturer recommendations.

I have always said, if you use a product in the way it was intended to be, in compliance with the dealer/manufacture guidelines, and with moderate care and maintenance, any product is a good product. Some chairs are designed to support a 500 pound person, some are designed to support a 35 pound child. Let the 500 pound person sit on the child chair, and you cannot blame the manufacturer for a faulty chair.

Perhaps manufacturers ARE installing the incorrect tire on the incorrect RV. I understand that. But I'm sure the manufacturers have done their home work, research and development, and have determined tires that are installed on RV are "ADEQUATE" for what they are designed for. They have to juggle the fine ballance between quality and cost and profit, and battle the amount customers are willing to pay for their product. We complain about "cheap campers, cheep tires, Cheep trailer frames... that's because the customer complains so much about the PRICE when a stronger, more durable one is used.

So in order for the tire to be successful (last 5 years or more, or last 50,000 miles, the responsibility to USE the tire in accordance within the limitations of the tire is essential. But I think a lot of original chineese tire failure is the result of consumers over extending the design parameters of the tire. ... Speed, turning radius, over-under inflation, UV protection, tire alignment, ect.....

Just my 2 cents.... but I know there are a LOT of people who will BOLDLY challenge me on my comments here, but in MY opinion .... I THINK your final choice should be to take the camper as is, use it for a few trips, evaluate the tires before and after each trip, and when or if you begin to see potential failure (dry rot, uneven tread, loss of tread, not holding pressure, etc.) then consider getting different tires. You just might get 5 years or more and 20,000 miles out of them before you feel you have to change.

These are just my thoughts, and I do understand the arguments against them already. Just remember .... There is some owner responsibility too! You can't lay EVERYTHING on manufacturer. Trailer manufacturers have chosen specific tires to reduce costs for everyone and yield the highest profit margin for them. That's just how it works with any product you buy. But I don't think the manufacturers deliberately install inferior tires with the intention of the consumer having a road mishap the could cost lives. So there is some consumer responsibility.

Bottom line and I'll quite rambling:

Your responsibility is to care for the tires on your RV with at least moderate attention. If you feel the tires are inferior, you have the responsibility to correct that. (I absolutely agree)...

However, you cannot expect the dealer to make the tire change at HIS expense. It just won't happen. Their "people" have determined the tire that comes with the camper is "adequate" and are assuming the consumer will act accordingly.

I'll shut up now. Hey ... Good luck. Hope you ARE successful. But please, if you do feel passionate about this subject, the PLEASE negotiate with your dealer and see what happens. The most they can say is "no" and you haven't lost anything.

[laknox]

ol Bombero-JC wrote:

Mile High wrote:

MM49 wrote:

Mile High wrote:

MM49 wrote:
RRRRRRRRight, so you want to change a manufactures design specify a change, add cost through a third party and have the original manufacture warranty the change. The effects to the system will also have to be warranted. This group is full of dreamers.
MM49

?? I don't want to change anything - I just shop for the manufacture that offers them as an option, or is willing to add them as an option. My manufacturer put 8K axles on mine at the time of order, G614s, and disk brakes, all under warranty and a significant increase in GVWR on the VIN sticker. No dreamin here. They now offer 17.5" wheels and H tires as an option from the factory. Far less cost than retrofitting it later. You guys should get out of your camper more often.:R

Ordering options is a different matter from what the OP was asking. The OP wanted to know how many people were successful in bullying the dealer into upgrading the tires.
MM49


Quote "I've started the slow search of possibly a new fifth wheel and have been told more than once to make sure the dealer takes the Chinese tires off and replace them with "G" load tires. That what I have on my fifth wheel now and agree all these "E" rated tires should not be on these heavier fifth wheels.

So, of course the dealer will change out the tires if you are willing to pay them to do it but who's getting the dealer to change them to save the deal without raising the cost of the unit.


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Jeff,Julie,Amber,Brandon,and Casey,Dexter(Golden),Bruno(Pug)
Forest River Cardinal 362bhs 2006
2005 Chevy duramax dually 4x4 crew cab,Ultra Goliath wheels with Nitto Dura Grapplers and Banks exhaust.
"

Yes - and all I'm saying is as he starts his "slow search" - he should back up a bit and see who actually offers the G tires from the factory first (standard or option), so he can take full advantage of the GVWR and warranty of the heavier tires.

I say that because Dealers rarely buy the "inventory" units with the heavier tire options because there is not "street flash" with tires and they would prefer the lower sticker. Two units we ordered actually had a tire option that wasn't clear to us when looking at the lot units. One actually even had an upgrade from a ST LRD tire to an LT LRE and a heavier axle (6k) back in 2003 for less than $400 add (Montana). If we hadn't looked at available options, we would have settled for what was on the lot instead of ordering one.

.


Is it Top Secret - or what??..:h

Do the OP - and anyone/everyone else - a favor!..:@

NAME the manufacturers and/or dealers who offer a tire upgrade!

If you've done it - where? (Dealer name, location)

If you know a manufacturer offers a tire upgrade...which one?

Anyone looking for a 5th should certainly be appreciative!..:C



~

Don't be disingenuous JC. You've been around here long enough to have read any number of threads regarding "hidden" options. If ordering a new rig from the factory, all you have to do is ask what options might be available that aren't on the "standard" options list. If the dealer you're working with doesn't know, all =they= have to do is ask. How hard is that?

Lyle

[Me_Again]

Cardinal factory available.

[bpounds]

Possible 5th option. Swap your wheels/tires onto the new trailer.

[ol_Bombero-JC]

Mile High wrote:

MM49 wrote:

Mile High wrote:

MM49 wrote:
RRRRRRRRight, so you want to change a manufactures design specify a change, add cost through a third party and have the original manufacture warranty the change. The effects to the system will also have to be warranted. This group is full of dreamers.
MM49

?? I don't want to change anything - I just shop for the manufacture that offers them as an option, or is willing to add them as an option. My manufacturer put 8K axles on mine at the time of order, G614s, and disk brakes, all under warranty and a significant increase in GVWR on the VIN sticker. No dreamin here. They now offer 17.5" wheels and H tires as an option from the factory. Far less cost than retrofitting it later. You guys should get out of your camper more often.:R

Ordering options is a different matter from what the OP was asking. The OP wanted to know how many people were successful in bullying the dealer into upgrading the tires.
MM49


Quote "I've started the slow search of possibly a new fifth wheel and have been told more than once to make sure the dealer takes the Chinese tires off and replace them with "G" load tires. That what I have on my fifth wheel now and agree all these "E" rated tires should not be on these heavier fifth wheels.

So, of course the dealer will change out the tires if you are willing to pay them to do it but who's getting the dealer to change them to save the deal without raising the cost of the unit.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff,Julie,Amber,Brandon,and Casey,Dexter(Golden),Bruno(Pug)
Forest River Cardinal 362bhs 2006
2005 Chevy duramax dually 4x4 crew cab,Ultra Goliath wheels with Nitto Dura Grapplers and Banks exhaust.
"

Yes - and all I'm saying is as he starts his "slow search" - he should back up a bit and see who actually offers the G tires from the factory first (standard or option), so he can take full advantage of the GVWR and warranty of the heavier tires.

I say that because Dealers rarely buy the "inventory" units with the heavier tire options because there is not "street flash" with tires and they would prefer the lower sticker. Two units we ordered actually had a tire option that wasn't clear to us when looking at the lot units. One actually even had an upgrade from a ST LRD tire to an LT LRE and a heavier axle (6k) back in 2003 for less than $400 add (Montana). If we hadn't looked at available options, we would have settled for what was on the lot instead of ordering one.

.


Is it Top Secret - or what??..:h

Do the OP - and anyone/everyone else - a favor!..:@

NAME the manufacturers and/or dealers who offer a tire upgrade!

If you've done it - where? (Dealer name, location)

If you know a manufacturer offers a tire upgrade...which one?

Anyone looking for a 5th should certainly be appreciative!..:C



~

[Mile_High]

MM49 wrote:

Mile High wrote:

MM49 wrote:
RRRRRRRRight, so you want to change a manufactures design specify a change, add cost through a third party and have the original manufacture warranty the change. The effects to the system will also have to be warranted. This group is full of dreamers.
MM49

?? I don't want to change anything - I just shop for the manufacture that offers them as an option, or is willing to add them as an option. My manufacturer put 8K axles on mine at the time of order, G614s, and disk brakes, all under warranty and a significant increase in GVWR on the VIN sticker. No dreamin here. They now offer 17.5" wheels and H tires as an option from the factory. Far less cost than retrofitting it later. You guys should get out of your camper more often.:R

Ordering options is a different matter from what the OP was asking. The OP wanted to know how many people were successful in bullying the dealer into upgrading the tires.
MM49


Quote "I've started the slow search of possibly a new fifth wheel and have been told more than once to make sure the dealer takes the Chinese tires off and replace them with "G" load tires. That what I have on my fifth wheel now and agree all these "E" rated tires should not be on these heavier fifth wheels.

So, of course the dealer will change out the tires if you are willing to pay them to do it but who's getting the dealer to change them to save the deal without raising the cost of the unit.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff,Julie,Amber,Brandon,and Casey,Dexter(Golden),Bruno(Pug)
Forest River Cardinal 362bhs 2006
2005 Chevy duramax dually 4x4 crew cab,Ultra Goliath wheels with Nitto Dura Grapplers and Banks exhaust.
"

Yes - and all I'm saying is as he starts his "slow search" - he should back up a bit and see who actually offers the G tires from the factory first (standard or option), so he can take full advantage of the GVWR and warranty of the heavier tires.

I say that because Dealers rarely buy the "inventory" units with the heavier tire options because there is not "street flash" with tires and they would prefer the lower sticker. Two units we ordered actually had a tire option that wasn't clear to us when looking at the lot units. One actually even had an upgrade from a ST LRD tire to an LT LRE and a heavier axle (6k) back in 2003 for less than $400 add (Montana). If we hadn't looked at available options, we would have settled for what was on the lot instead of ordering one.

[MM49]

Mile High wrote:

MM49 wrote:
RRRRRRRRight, so you want to change a manufactures design specify a change, add cost through a third party and have the original manufacture warranty the change. The effects to the system will also have to be warranted. This group is full of dreamers.
MM49

?? I don't want to change anything - I just shop for the manufacture that offers them as an option, or is willing to add them as an option. My manufacturer put 8K axles on mine at the time of order, G614s, and disk brakes, all under warranty and a significant increase in GVWR on the VIN sticker. No dreamin here. They now offer 17.5" wheels and H tires as an option from the factory. Far less cost than retrofitting it later. You guys should get out of your camper more often.:R

Ordering options is a different matter from what the OP was asking. The OP wanted to know how many people were successful in bullying the dealer into upgrading the tires.
MM49


Quote "I've started the slow search of possibly a new fifth wheel and have been told more than once to make sure the dealer takes the Chinese tires off and replace them with "G" load tires. That what I have on my fifth wheel now and agree all these "E" rated tires should not be on these heavier fifth wheels.

So, of course the dealer will change out the tires if you are willing to pay them to do it but who's getting the dealer to change them to save the deal without raising the cost of the unit.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff,Julie,Amber,Brandon,and Casey,Dexter(Golden),Bruno(Pug)
Forest River Cardinal 362bhs 2006
2005 Chevy duramax dually 4x4 crew cab,Ultra Goliath wheels with Nitto Dura Grapplers and Banks exhaust.
"

[Cummins12V98]

Mile High wrote:

MM49 wrote:
RRRRRRRRight, so you want to change a manufactures design specify a change, add cost through a third party and have the original manufacture warranty the change. The effects to the system will also have to be warranted. This group is full of dreamers.
MM49

?? I don't want to change anything - I just shop for the manufacture that offers them as an option, or is willing to add them as an option. My manufacturer put 8K axles on mine at the time of order, G614s, and disk brakes, all under warranty and a significant increase in GVWR on the VIN sticker. No dreamin here. They now offer 17.5" wheels and H tires as an option from the factory. Far less cost than retrofitting it later.

Good call on the tires axles and brakes.

I guess we have something we can agree on.

[Mile_High]

MM49 wrote:
RRRRRRRRight, so you want to change a manufactures design specify a change, add cost through a third party and have the original manufacture warranty the change. The effects to the system will also have to be warranted. This group is full of dreamers.
MM49

?? I don't want to change anything - I just shop for the manufacture that offers them as an option, or is willing to add them as an option. My manufacturer put 8K axles on mine at the time of order, G614s, and disk brakes, all under warranty and a significant increase in GVWR on the VIN sticker. No dreamin here. They now offer 17.5" wheels and H tires as an option from the factory. Far less cost than retrofitting it later. You guys should get out of your camper more often.:R

[Bamaman11]

My 12K lb. new fifth wheel came with Chinese will pops, but the aluminum wheels are rated for 110 lb. pressures (for G tires.) Some 16" wheels are 80 lb. wheels and some are 110 lb. wheels.

I ordered 4 Bridgestone Duravis R250 16" tires @ Costco @ $195 each--far less than the dealer would charge. I can get them mounted and balanced for $50 per 4 tires--and no junk fees/charges.

If I was running a heavier fifth wheel like a Landmark or comparable trailer, I'd be running the Goodyear G rated tires. My R250's weigh something like 57 lbs. apiece, and the sidewalls are 1" thick and steel belted bead to bead--very heavy duty.

I can always save substantially purchasing tires of every kind on the internet.

[rtazz17]

MM49 wrote:
RRRRRRRRight, so you want to change a manufactures design specify a change, add cost through a third party and have the original manufacture warranty the change. The effects to the system will also have to be warranted. This group is full of dreamers.
MM49

I agree.Lol,can I have what that poster is smoking?Lol