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Honest Reviews/Opinions Needed

DemiK
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Hello everyone. Hubby and I are new to this forum and to the RV lifestyle so you'll be seeing a lot of us ??
We are taking the plunge in October and moving into a 5th wheel permanently. We are currently in the process of purchasing a used model and I think we've narrowed it down to a couple units but the second guessing myself has kicked into overdrive so i need some direction.

The first unit is a 2011 Keystone Alpine 3450RL. Perfect floorplan, within our budget but i couldn't find a single review online.
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-rv-motorhome/edmonton/2011-alpine-keystone-reduced-3450rl-mint-condition/1323503191?utm_source=com.google.android.apps.docs&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttonsVIP&utm_content=app_android


The second is a 2011 Open Range Open Range 393RLS. It's a bit smaller but has been owed by an RV mechanic (we personally know)
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-travel-trailer-camper/medicine-hat/for-sale-open-range-fifth-wheel/1344399602?utm_source=com.google.android.apps.docs&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttonsVIP&utm_content=app_android


Thanks in advance for your opinions. BTW we're also open to other makes and models.
Vancouver Island bound.
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hinterland
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Hi There, We've owned Vanguard and Okanagans, both quality Canadian built 5th wheels. We now own a Carriage Compass, a quality built USA 5th wheel. Many of the high end manufacturers went under around 2009 - 2011, so if you are in Canada you could look for a used Citation Supreme, Corsair Excella, Triple E Topaz. All rated for 4 season living, when you skirt them in and wrap hoses etc. Even on Vancouver Island they had a lot of snow last winter and freezing temps that froze water lines in rigs that were not prepared for winter. All the best in your decision. This is just our opinion.
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WeBeFulltimers
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soren wrote:
A rig owned by an RV tech. that you know personally would be a strong favorite, as would the brand he owns, IMHO.


Maybe.......maybe not! Did the RV tech own it for personal use and for how long OR did the RV tech "own it" for the sole purpose of reselling for profit?

Condition of a soon to be 8 year old unit is much more important than floor plan. Don't make a mistake based on eye candy.
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DemiK wrote:
My next question is about fiberglass vs. plywood. We had decided on the Open Range then were told that the plywood construction was not a good choice on Vancouver Island where the rainy season is the majority of the year.
For a wet climate a plywood body is not a good idea. Yah or Nay?


I'm not sure that I understand where a manufacturer would be using fiberglass where another is using plywood. There are units with fiberglass sidewalls and those covered with aluminum. There are units with wood internal structures (joists, rafters, studs) vs aluminum, there are floors and roof substrates made out of plywood vs OSB. Just never heard of a place where fiberglass and plywood are interchangable in the structure unless this is a reference to hung sidewalls utilizing a plywood backing under a fiberglass exterior vs a composite laminated foam and fiberglass sidewall.

Anywhere plywood would be used should be sealed from weather by external coverings such that it should stay dry, and therefore be unaffected by weather.

If this is a hung vs laminated sidewalls question, both should do well if constructed with quality. An advantage of laminated is usually less weight, but they can delaminate and if damaged in an accident are more difficult and expensive to repair. Hung walls are heavier because they must be framed like a stick-built home, but are easier and lower cost to repair, if needed.

Floorplans have to match your needs, but my first consideration is solid, quality construction that will last. That means plywood over OSB, heavier duty and closer spaced floor joists and roof rafters, more insulation value in the floor, roof, and walls, dual pane windows over single pane for insulative value, enough electrical outlets in convenient places, heavy steel in the undercarriage frame, Dexter EZ Lube axles, enough BTU's in the furnace and AC to effectively and efficiently heat and cool the space, etc. These are all areas that many manufacturers skimp on to save money that end up costing the owners grief and discomfort later when things just don't last or work as they should. Doubly important for full-timers vs the casual weekend camper.
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Scott16
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DemiK wrote:
Hello everyone. Hubby and I are new to this forum and to the RV lifestyle so you'll be seeing a lot of us ??
We are taking the plunge in October and moving into a 5th wheel permanently. We are currently in the process of purchasing a used model and I think we've narrowed it down to a couple units but the second guessing myself has kicked into overdrive so i need some direction.

The first unit is a 2011 Keystone Alpine 3450RL. Perfect floorplan, within our budget but i couldn't find a single review online.
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-rv-motorhome/edmonton/2011-alpine-keystone-reduced-3450rl-mint-condition/1323503191?utm_source=com.google.android.apps.docs&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttonsVIP&utm_content=app_android


The second is a 2011 Open Range Open Range 393RLS. It's a bit smaller but has been owed by an RV mechanic (we personally know)
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-travel-trailer-camper/medicine-hat/for-sale-open-range-fifth-wheel/1344399602?utm_source=com.google.android.apps.docs&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttonsVIP&utm_content=app_android


Thanks in advance for your opinions. BTW we're also open to other makes and models.


I would look into the Open Range 393RLS. How long have you known the RV Mechanic and how well do you know him is important? But the unit should be well kept up. Do a good inspection looking for signs of water especially up forward around the Nose and any slide outs. Also Roof mounted A/C Units.
Best of luck in your Journey.
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John_Joey
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IMO, the open range is a better unit. With that said, what I suggest you do is go to the blue book for the original MSRP for each unit and see if there is a difference. Quality normally costs more when new.

I agree with the comments about floor plans, but the funny thing is until you live with one you may not know what is important in the beginning. I know our rig has high steps to the bedroom and bathroom. Killing my bad knee after a month or so of living in it. Who knew.

I just saw your post about plywood. Plywood would be fine, just keep it dry. It only goes bad when the end grain gets moisture.
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DemiK
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bobsallyh wrote:
DemiK, I see you list Edmonton, where will you go during the long winter season? Most RVs aren't noted for reasonable cold weather use. Just a thought.


Sorry, I guess I should've mentioned that we'll be living in it full-time on Vancouver Island. This 6 month winter was enough for me... 😉
Vancouver Island bound.

DemiK
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Thank you everyone for your input. My next question is about fiberglass vs. plywood. We had decided on the Open Range then were told that the plywood construction was not a good choice on Vancouver Island where the rainy season is the majority of the year.
For a wet climate a plywood body is not a good idea. Yah or Nay?
Vancouver Island bound.

bobsallyh
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DemiK, I see you list Edmonton, where will you go during the long winter season? Most RVs aren't noted for reasonable cold weather use. Just a thought.

jimx200
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Pay a rv inspection pro to give it a top to bottom close look. Spending $100-$200. for this is a must!

soren
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A rig owned by an RV tech. that you know personally would be a strong favorite, as would the brand he owns, IMHO.

doxiemom11
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Go with the floor plan you like best.

Bob_Sue
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Love my Open Range. 2013, and very few problems ( I probably caused most of them ). But take a look on the Open Range owners forum, ask questions, look up various topics. Everyone willing to help on the forum.
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midnightsadie
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if you find any water stains ,walls ceilings corners etc, run fast it has water damage. and the,ll tell its been fixed, I don,t belive them. there idea of fixed is a little clauking.

gbopp
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My advice is to look at the condition of the units. Yes, the floorplan is important. But, condition is the important factor when buying a used RV.

Maybe someone will come along and advise you about the pros and cons of the units you are condidering.

Ask lots of questions before you give the seller any money or sign any agreements.