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2010 Winnebago 40L. . .from Hell !

jetartessales
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We just purchased a new (off showroom) 2010 Winnebago 40L from RV World in Nokomis, Florida. This purchase transferred to us on July 22, 2011.

Our shake down (understatement) trip of 3000 miles was a shocker. We turned the coach into RV. World service department with a total of 46 serious complaints. The pride of ownership fell from its graces almost at the snap of a finger. Here is the short list which includes the most serious.
1. Jacks will not work on manual. . .In "auto" the system raises the rear to the point of rear "4" being off the ground, then struggles to level front. . .without success. When raising jacks, the rear hang up until they cannot support the weight further, then "BANG" and the coach drops to the ground. In manual mode, the rear drop until they touch the ground then stop. Pushing front or left, only serves to run the pump
2. Both forward slides failed, the left during extension and the right during retraction.
3. Placing the AC blower on High, closes all the roof vents throughout!
4. MCD shades 3 failed . . .MCD says it is Winnebago install issue
5. We were locked inside our coach twice. Handing the keys through the window to a person outside to manually unlock the entry door freed us.
6. Every inch of the shoe molding at the base of the walls throughout came loose and worked away from the wall.
7. Foot rests (both) on Winnebago's mfg. pride and joy electric sofa BROKE and could not be used.
8. Shower surround (one piece shower enclosure) came loose from the coach bathroom walls and "oil cans" when you step into the shower. Shower floor is supported by a block of foam. . .you guessed it, the foam began colapsing as use progressed

A call to my dealer while enroute brought a call from "Steve" who is Winne's eastern Service manager. I offered to bring the coach to the factory at my expense. . .he said NO, due to the backlog of factory appointments thru the end of September. Steve set up a "bandaid" appointment with Tom Schaeffer's RV in Hamburg, PA. A call to the President remains unanswered.

I can go on and on with many other failures. I sit now, "coachless" while my dealer works through the list of problems.

Advice anyone ?

Thanks,
Eric & Anita Clapp
North Port, Florida

BTW, we just sold our 08 Fleetwood Discovery 40X which gave us 30K of virtually trouble free use. Our error !
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Ault
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Adam, I so agree with you. I have a Phaeton with over 50 issues now. It never ends and it is only 9 months old.

Livin_Good
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The Texan wrote:
At this point I would drive it to the factory unannounced and make a nuisance of myself until they either took it in or had me ejected by law enforcement.


You have to be kidding. :H

The_Texan
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At this point I would drive it to the factory unannounced and make a nuisance of myself until they either took it in or had me ejected by law enforcement. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I get the feeling that the factory rep is making decisions on his own without talking to the powers to be.

Bob & Betsy - USN Aviation Ret'd '78 & LEO Ret'd '03 & "Oath Keeper Forever"


2005 HR Endeavor 40PRQ, '11 Silverado LT, Ex Cab 6.2L NHT 4x4, w/2017 Rzr 4-900 riding in 16+' enclosed trailer in back.
Where the wheels are stopped today

offthewall
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jetartessales wrote:
offthewall:

The coach is still at the dealer however, I will drive the 40+ miles tomorrow and over fill it myself. Tank is located on the forward right side just aft of the genset. You access over the RF tire or if you are of long arms, from the bottom up. . .to save from looking up the fluid spec's, what do you use??

Regards,
Eric

BTW, total time in service is going on 12 weeks which includes down time waiting for parts. This is service at three different dealers.


I use a standard transmission fluid funnel and pour from the front generator access cover.

Like this.

You can use any ATF that meets Dexron III requirements.
2010 Itasca Meridian V Class 34Y
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2012 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited Toad
NJ tag: "BLKJEEP"

jetartessales
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offthewall:

The coach is still at the dealer however, I will drive the 40+ miles tomorrow and over fill it myself. Tank is located on the forward right side just aft of the genset. You access over the RF tire or if you are of long arms, from the bottom up. . .to save from looking up the fluid spec's, what do you use??

Regards,
Eric

BTW, total time in service is going on 12 weeks which includes down time waiting for parts. This is service at three different dealers.

offthewall
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jetartessales wrote:


...OfftheWall:
Exactly, but it is full. There is so little space in the top of the tank, I think the little which would top it off to be offsetting the problem. I can be driving down or up I 75 or 95 and the alarm will go off. It runs its course then shuts off only to do it again during the same leg of the trip. Email to PowerGear referred me to the dealer who said PowerGear has no clue what is causing this who . . . .and so on.

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You really do have to fill it till it overflows, NO space at all at the top or relocate the sensor in the tank to a lower position. PowerGear really ought to fix this or maybe Winnebago mounts the tank too far forward so that it is more susceptible to level changes of the coach. I had the same issue until I called my dealer who suggested the overfill technique. Believe me, it works. If you don't have a small oil spot on the ground right under the tank wherever you park, it's not full enough and the alarm will occasionally go off as the MH dives forward on stops or pitches to the side turning.
2010 Itasca Meridian V Class 34Y
NJ tag: "THE RV"

2012 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited Toad
NJ tag: "BLKJEEP"

jetartessales
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BobR:

Thanks, but I have exhausted each effort to make an appointment with the factory. I went so far as to offer to "pay" all expenses to get there. The Factory service rep denied the request as he said it would not accomplish anything.

Jarlaxle:
I think it is a last resort and based upon my knowledge of others who have tried this approach, it is furitless.

OfftheWall:
Exactly, but it is full. There is so little space in the top of the tank, I think the little which would top it off to be offsetting the problem. I can be driving down or up I 75 or 95 and the alarm will go off. It runs its course then shuts off only to do it again during the same leg of the trip. Email to PowerGear referred me to the dealer who said PowerGear has no clue what is causing this who . . . .and so on.

Frankly, we love the layout. . .and its ambiance is pleasing to the eye. The sofa which failed three times (see original post) has been replaced with two Stressless Euro recliners. I did a dumpster routine with the sofa to save any others from the same grief. Turns out the sofa is a Winnie produced proprietary item.

Thanks everyone. . .keep the cards and letters coming. Perhaps one or more of you will strike a cord which leads to satisfaction of repairs. Warranty is up July 20, 2012.

BTW, we have two grey 3" id hoses which terminate (one in the water service bay and the other in the RF forward compartment which blow cold air (A/C) and NO ONE has a clue why they are there and why they blow cold A/C.

Eric

JC2
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oneolddog wrote:
The whole industry needs a wake up call. The only way that will happen if the consumer's demand it. Start by stopping defending what you own no matter what brand it is. Just because it puts a smile on your face driving down the road and you love it some of the time does not make it a great RV. I cannot believe how many people will defend the manufacturer of their RV even if it clearly has problems.

I don't think you could compare the RV manufacturing industry to any other industry in the world. I wish the Japanese or German's would come up with something to bring the US manufacturer's to their knees so they would be forced to stop getting away with selling junk with no quality control.

All that being said I can hardly wait to get my next piece of junk so I can go travelling in it!

Adam


I agree. We sometimes are our own worst enemy.:W
2010 Newmar Dutch Aire 4304,Cummins ISL 425hp,Spartan MM Chassis,2013 Chev Equinox AWD Towed,Ready Brute Elite TowBar/Brake,FMCA #402879,SKP#120487

oneolddog
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The whole industry needs a wake up call. The only way that will happen if the consumer's demand it. Start by stopping defending what you own no matter what brand it is. Just because it puts a smile on your face driving down the road and you love it some of the time does not make it a great RV. I cannot believe how many people will defend the manufacturer of their RV even if it clearly has problems.

I don't think you could compare the RV manufacturing industry to any other industry in the world. I wish the Japanese or German's would come up with something to bring the US manufacturer's to their knees so they would be forced to stop getting away with selling junk with no quality control.

All that being said I can hardly wait to get my next piece of junk so I can go travelling in it!

Adam
2009 Allegro Bus 36QSP (Sold March 2011)

BobR
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Have you tried to set up a factory appointment during the winter months? I would call Winnebago directly and talk with service.

Jarlaxle
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Might be time for the nuclear option: Documentation, pictures, and videos on a website (something like "www.winnebagosucks.com"), and a 6' lemon graphic on the side of the coach advertising the site. Hit a few rallies with it.
John and Elizabeth (Liz), with Briza the size XL tabby
St. Bernard Marm, cats Vierna and Maya...RIP. ๐Ÿ˜ž
Current rig:
1992 International Genesis school bus conversion

2inAlabama
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Sorry to hear of your problems.

I think The Texan has a good idea with the lemon paint job. Could probably get the president's attention. This is why I prefer to buy used. I would rather let someone else deal with these kinds of issues.
Just DH & DW
'01 Foretravel U320 42 ft ISM450

offthewall
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jetartessales wrote:
I am still with the Winnie 2010 Journey purchased new July 2011 off the dealers show room floor. And yes, problems still exhist which have not been corrected. To wit:

1. PowerGear jack system "jacks down" alarm still has a mind of its own setting off the flashing red light and warning bell whenever it feels like it.
I have been told they have done everything possible. . .obviously something has not been done. Winnie is non responsive other than to refer me to a dealer who they prefer.

2. Jack system does not level the coach when you use auto level. It leaves the front low and listing to the right. I am told the system is leveling the chassis ! I am told the system does not level the house and I cannot have it both ways! ! ! Further, it is suggested the house is not level on the chassis ! OK readers, chime in.

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Thank you,
Eric and Anita Clapp
North Port, Florida


I suspect your leveling system is low on fluid. I have a 2010 Itasca Meridian with the same system. The jacks down alarm is triggered by the fluid level. You really have to overfill the tank to keep the alarm from going off. Since I did that, I have never had the alarm go off.
2010 Itasca Meridian V Class 34Y
NJ tag: "THE RV"

2012 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited Toad
NJ tag: "BLKJEEP"

jetartessales
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I am still with the Winnie 2010 Journey purchased new July 2011 off the dealers show room floor. And yes, problems still exhist which have not been corrected. To wit:

1. PowerGear jack system "jacks down" alarm still has a mind of its own setting off the flashing red light and warning bell whenever it feels like it.
I have been told they have done everything possible. . .obviously something has not been done. Winnie is non responsive other than to refer me to a dealer who they prefer.

2. Jack system does not level the coach when you use auto level. It leaves the front low and listing to the right. I am told the system is leveling the chassis ! I am told the system does not level the house and I cannot have it both ways! ! ! Further, it is suggested the house is not level on the chassis ! OK readers, chime in.

3. All in one Jensen stereo, DVD player and radio in bedroom sounds terrible with the speakers installed. I am told the speakers are actually better then the Jensen unit but are mismatched. I am stuck as Winnie will do nothing. I have an appointment with the Geek squad at Best Buy. Main salon is no better therefore, not used, We installed a bose am/fm cd radio. Excellent sound.

They did remove and reinstall the MCD shades. . .the chirping and squeeking is gone !

4. Still no water pressure in the shower. Water pressure in bathroom sink and kitchen sink is fine. I am told it is as good as it will get. I have a video.

5. Satellite system is fixed however, cable system is still "snow." This has been checked and rechecked. . .no cure. They tell me it is somewhere within the walls or roof of the coach works.

6. Left side slide although repaired after it jammed is still "dogwalking" when extend/retract is performed. Again, Winnie says it requires no further dealer input. Right side slide and bedroom are very smooth.

7. NEW: Drivers window flexes causing a snapping, cracking, sound. It is most disconcerting. Everything is tight and secure. This I am told is because the glass is not as thick as other windows of this type. This occurs at interstate speeds 68 - 70 and is exaggerated when being passed by a semi. Sliding window closed and locked.

8. Winnie finally admitted to a recall on the entry door which when locked with the remote at night prior to retiring, will not unlock. We were locked in our first night out and three subsequent times. This was a safety issue and has been fixed.

To the individual who inquired if I was a 500 lb. person. . .NO, 6' @ 230. Why the question?

To the two who suggested "Lemon Law." Sorry, I do not know about other states however the Lemon Law in Florida only applies to the Chassis, not the coach works.

Last, I still wait for parts. . .the lighted hand bar at the entry door is inop since July. The lense for the entry light was defective and remains so since July. The potable water sensors read empty when you have 1/2 tank. . .sensors are on eternal back order.

Bottom line, We kick ourselves for selling our 08 Fleetwood Discovery. It never let us down. . .nothing failed. . .it is sorely missed. Our coach before the Fleetwood, a Newmar Dutch Star was for the most part a joy to own.

We are stuck and at the hands of Winnie who are quick to tell you why not rather then to tell you "this is what we can do to help you." And yes, they refused to make a factory appointment even at my expense to drive from Florida to the manufacturing facility.

We are open to any and all suggestions.

Thank you,
Eric and Anita Clapp
North Port, Florida

SarahW422
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Hmmmmm. This thread is from last August. Wonder if the OP got his coach fixed.