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Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

fulltimin
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Started to look into some water damage in the kitchen of our 83 Pace Arrow. The more I looked, the more I found. I have some pics of the damage so far. Anyone interested in following a rebuild thread?
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RedRollingRoadb
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Be careful about leaving the toilet sitting around without being hooked up.

BIL was redoing a bathroom and had the new toilet sitting in the living room. His daughter, now 40, was just starting toilet training. Went to the new toilet in the living room, did her thing, and proudly came and told daddy that she went potty all by her self. They found out later which toilet she used.

Interesting project that you have taken on. Looking good.

wildmanbaker
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Explorer
Joe had a very good idea of how to remove the 2bys. Try the cutter blade ad the saw blade to see which one does a better job. Spray silicone on the blades to keep the glue from gumming things up so much. In this case cardboard is your best friend. If it is not bit enough, it can be glued or stapled together to make it big enough to use. You can fold an edge over and staple it to the wall, that would be easier to work with until you really decide on a layout.
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STBRetired
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Richard has a pretty good idea. Cut away as much of the 2x3 as you can then sand down the rest. I know of a solvent that would dissolve cured Liquid Nails, but you would need a hazmat suit and a respirator, especially in that enclosed space. Would probably delaminate the plywood as well.

Are you planning on doing anything to waterproof the walls? Like laminating some type of plastic to the wall? That could hide any damage done to the plywood. Or maybe just leave a portion of the 2x3 there as a "feature" and somehow incorporate it into the soap and shampoo holder shelf. At least the 2x3 runs all the way from the ceiling to the floor so there won't be any gaps.
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joerg68
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An oscillating saw will do this just fine. It will take a while and require some sanding of the wall plywood afterwards.

Something like this Fein, or one of the cheaper knockoffs:
https://www.protoolreviews.com/tools/power/corded/multi-oscillating/fein-supercut-oscillating-tool-...
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RLS7201
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Explorer
Maybe an ol hand saw from top to bottom on that 2x3. Then a belt sander to clean the wall. But then I an old mechanic with greasy tools. What do I know about wood butchering?

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fulltimin
Nomad
Nomad
Before I start tearing this 2 x 3 out, I want to know if anyone has any good ideas on removing the construction adhesive between the 2 x 3 and the 1/8 inch thick plywood?

Obviously, the plywood isn't going to take much abuse, but the 2 x 3 will.

From searching on the web, recommendations were to use heat, with either a heat gun or hair dryer.

Anyone else have a better suggestion that won't tear up the wall, so I can move the wall another 6 inches?



If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Some days, in spite of your best efforts to plan things ahead of time, during the middle of said efforts, you can suddenly look at things differently, even though you thought you knew what you were doing.

Confused? Me too. Lol.

Left turn Clyde......

After shuffling things around a bit, and standing inside the toilet area, it occurred to me, that if I move the one wall about 6 inches, we could share the toilet area with the shower area, and have plenty of room for both.

That would eliminate having to lift up the kitchen counter, and allow me to move the kitchen sink to the left a bit, which would give us more usable, uninterrupted counter space.

The original bath/shower area was about 24 x 36. The back third of the shower area, was a seat, so that was of no value for taking shower.

After talking to the wife a little bit, yes, she is okay with that, I think that is what I am going to do.

Here's a pic of where the wall would be, after moving it. It allows for what feels like a lot of extra room in the shower area, while taking little area out of the kitchen.

We can cover the toilet with a piece of plastic during showers, and/or use a shower curtain to keep the walls dry, or not. We'll have to play with it a little.







Unless, something changes my mind, I think I'll be making the change.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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fulltimin
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I built a platform today and proceeded to put the original toilet on top of said platform to see how things would look.

I wanted to make sure I had enough of room to get in there, turn around, and take care of any business that needed to be taken care of.

So far, so good.



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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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fulltimin
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Updating of the spreadsheet shall occur tonight.

A piece of 1/2 inch plywood cost me $49.85. Adding that to our prior total of $8549.13 and our new grand total is ... (drum roll)...
$8598.98.
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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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Looking at this pic, removing 1' of counter, would give me extra space to possibly put a small heating device of some sort there, which would be kind of centrally located, to heat the entire coach.

The line between the 2 pieces of plywood on the floor towards the right side of the pic, is 8' from the front, so, the distance from the front to the wheel well, would be 10 ft.

That looks like it would be a better deal overall, by losing 1 ft of counter space, but gaining some extra floor space.



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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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fulltimin
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After having a look at this, and taking a couple of measurements, I might make a couple of small changes.

In this pic, the right side is towards the front of the moho. The distance between the 2 arrows is about 2 feet.

Currently, the end of the counter is about mid way between the 2.

The plywood is 8 ft long, so cutting off 1', would line up the end of the counter with the front of the wheel well box.



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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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fulltimin
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Well, I finally made a step in the right direction. I spent money today! Lol.

I bought a piece of plywood to use as a base for the counter. I placed it in a temporary way to have a look at how might look if installed in it's current position.



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If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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fulltimin
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Wahoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Finally! It looks like things are slowing down a little bit. I am glad that Thanksgiving is over - only because of the extra work for my niece.

Been a wild ride for the last few days. I think I can get some work done tomorrow on the moho.

I am having withdraw symptoms here. Lol.

On the other hand, I ran across something where someone was using his head. Evidently, this guy used his table saw for sawing AND cutting dado's.

In order to simplify the setup, and not to have to switch blades back and forth, his solution was to join 2 table saws, side by side, one with a saw blade, and the other with a dado setup.

What a concept! For someone who does very little switching back and forth, this would be a waste. But for doing a lot of it, this would work very well.







Hope to have a better update tomorrow.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.

fulltimin
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I forgot to update the spreadsheet for the lumber I bought.

We had a total of 8534.54, and the 2 x 3's and one 2 x 6 amounted to 14.59.

New grand total is 8549.13.

Really lousy day today. Rain, sleet, snow, freezing rain. Yea, I decided to stay inside and just take it easy.

Call me a wuss if you want to... Lol.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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fulltimin
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STBRetired wrote:
Be careful with the plywood you buy. Have seen some complaints on woodworking forums about plywood from China with outgassing from the glue and delamination issues. US sourced plywood has not had those complaints.



Thanks. There is a local lumber yard, that handles plywood that is not made abroad. I am going to check with them to see what they have available.

Thanks for the suggestion.
If you want to do something, you will find a way.
If you don't, you will find an excuse.

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Good judgement comes from experience.
A lot of experience, comes from bad judgement.