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Buying a Former Rental Class C. How many of us out there?

IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
While researching these pages for my next Motor Home I saw a few threads discussing Rentals, most were Pros and Cons but very few posts from people who had purchased one.

I thought it may be a good resource and helpful to hear from these people. The good, the bad, what they liked and what they didnโ€™t. Also if they had any problems, things they changed, if they would recommend this to others or do it again.

Here is my story: I am not a novice, having owned a Class A for more than 15 years and doing the camping thing with my wife and two daughters, I can say โ€œbeen there done thatโ€ But life changes, and I sold everything so I have been away from this for several years. Starting over I lurked here for a while and got a lot of good insight then went looking.

My criteria was: A Class C within by budget, less than 30 feet so I can keep it at home, saving storage $, a rear bed, and a lot of storage space.

What fit that was Winnebago, Fleetwood and a few others, what I found mostly was Jamboree / Tioga 26Q. In the year models 2002 thru 2006. I did my home work looking at NADA and other sites to find the fair prices for the models that I was looking for.

After several months of searching the internet, Craigslist, private ads and Dealerships for a Class C that suited my budget and needs, this is what I found. Of the dozen or so I inquired about.Most were upsidedown in their payments, owing more than they were worth. All were on Ford Chassis, 7 needed tires, all had the original 7 to 10 year old tires, and they all needed repair of the awning and most needed some work inside or out and the maintenance records were sketchy, but most had low mileage. The Dealerships offerings were better but they had a profit margin to maintain so I got older models within my budget or huge up sales that didnโ€™t work for me.

My next step was looking at the rental market for sales. In my area there are 2 large companies that have rental sales, Cruise America and El Monte RV,who also sell Class A RVs.

First up was El Monte RV Their units are production RVs that are made by major manufactures, with TV antennas and hookups inside and out, Ducted A/C and heat, 2 house batteries, a rear ladder and parts are readily available from those manufactureโ€™s. I looked at their web site and it detailed their warranty and what was checked and serviced by their factory trained technicians. The unit I looked at was like new inside, the upholstery on all the seats was new as was the floor mat in the driverโ€™s area, it had a new mattress, still in plastic and a new bedspread. All of the curtains were new also. Newer (2010 mfg date) tires with 98% rubber and the mileage was ninety thousand (90,000).

Then there was Cruise America: Their units that I looked at seemed to be Spartan,no TV antenna or hookups for one,non-ducted A/C,small counter space and only one battery, no rear ladder for inspection and maintenance of roof and built just for them, they were all โ€œrefreshedโ€ their words not mine. They offered extended warranties at a huge cost. All had high mileage, one hundred and thirty thousand (130,000) or more and the price range seemed a little high. The sales staff had a take it or leave it attitude and were not very forthcoming when asked about maintenance records and service,they claim to have proprietary info in those records,It doesn't seem to be a problem for El Monte RV.

At El Monte RV I took a test ride; This Unit was a 2006 Tioga 26Q on a Chevrolet Chassis it rode
Drove and handled much better than the Fords that I had driven. It also had more leg room and was quieter. We got back and I asked about the service and maintenance on it, the salesman, Joey, handed me a 28 page single spaced document asked if I wanted some coffee or something to drink and said โ€œread this and if you have any questions I will answer themโ€.

It detailed everything that was done before and after each rental, the mileage, generator hours and hours billed. Each time it was washed and detailed inside and outside, all fluids were checked and replenished if needed, the holding tanks were washed, LP system was checked for leaks, all torque on wheel lugs were checked, brakes front and rear checked for wear and cracks, pressure in tires, all appliances, generator oil, lights inside and outside, the list goes on and on.

It also listed all oil changes,coolant change,trans service,fuel injector service and cleaning,fuel filters,air filter, new brakes, all repairs and replacements all with date, mileage and time spent in complete detail from day one to when it was pulled from the rental fleet and was refurbished. I have a complete service record on this vehicle.Also the service records on the Onan Generator,all oil changes,air filter and spark plug replacement with hours and date. I negotiated a good deal with them and am very happy with my purchase.

It came with a 1 yr. 12000 mile power train warranty and 30 day on all appliances. It also came with a 28 page maintenance record that detailed everything. Also the original sales packet from Fleetwood with the manual and serial numbers on all appliances,refrigerator, microwave,furnace, AC, water heater, etc. and the manual for the Chassis. I have had no problems with it so far.

(ON EDIT) 5 Years and close to 14000 miles.Just Scheduled Maintenance and new tires,old ones were at the 5 year mark and I wanted new Michelin LTX M/S2s.

There were a few things that it didnโ€™t have as it was a rental and the ones from private parties did have.
โ€ข Power steps, outside Stereo/CD donโ€™t need or want them.
โ€ข An Awning, this I wanted and had installed. A Swivel Seat and a new Window in The Door that I installed.
โ€ข Wheel Simulators, I like the looks so I had them installed and at the same time had Tire Man valve stem kit put on.
โ€ข Replaced the Chinese WFCO with a US Made converter/charger
โ€ข It came with mini blinds and not the day/night that most have, these are more practical and have a lot less failure.
  • It also came with Stainless Steel sinks,easier to maintain than the cheap plastic ones that come in the noncommercial units.

I am very happy with my Rig, it suites my needs and it was in my Budget range, I think I got a good deal.

So if you bought a rental please share your experience here for others to use as a resource.
Or if there are any other questions that have not been covered in these pages, just ask, there are many helpful people on this thread.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C
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adlereins
Explorer
Explorer
Is there any advantage to using dino oil as opposed to synthetic other than price in these high milage rigs?

socal77
Explorer II
Explorer II
Mocoondo wrote:
socal77 wrote:
Hey guys,

I just emailed Travis, CA's National Part Manager down in Mesa, AZ. Really nice guy. I've gotten to know him quite well over the last 6 weeks since I purchased my rig. Extremely helpful.

He says they use a synthetic recycled oil called EcoPower in all their rental RV's. It's not too easy to get it yet. Closest place to me is 30 miles away at a Meineke Auto Care Center. It seems like Meineke is the main retail distributor right now. You can go on their website to check it out and see where it's available near you.

http://www.ecopoweroil.com/

I think just going with Mobil 1 or another synthetic is the best way to go.


Travis is only partially right. That Ecopower oil is acceptable as an option where it is available. Unfortunately, is is available virtually nowhere, and also very expensive comparatively, ergo, everyone in the field is running bulk dino oil and that I can promise you. ๐Ÿ™‚


Thanks Mocoondo, I do trust you. Good to share as much info as we can in here.

Mocoondo
Explorer II
Explorer II
socal77 wrote:
Hey guys,

I just emailed Travis, CA's National Part Manager down in Mesa, AZ. Really nice guy. I've gotten to know him quite well over the last 6 weeks since I purchased my rig. Extremely helpful.

He says they use a synthetic recycled oil called EcoPower in all their rental RV's. It's not too easy to get it yet. Closest place to me is 30 miles away at a Meineke Auto Care Center. It seems like Meineke is the main retail distributor right now. You can go on their website to check it out and see where it's available near you.

http://www.ecopoweroil.com/

I think just going with Mobil 1 or another synthetic is the best way to go.


Travis is only partially right. That Ecopower oil is acceptable as an option where it is available. Unfortunately, is is available virtually nowhere, and also very expensive comparatively, ergo, everyone in the field is running bulk dino oil and that I can promise you. ๐Ÿ™‚

socal77
Explorer II
Explorer II
Hey guys,

I just emailed Travis, CA's National Part Manager down in Mesa, AZ. Really nice guy. I've gotten to know him quite well over the last 6 weeks since I purchased my rig. Extremely helpful.

He says they use a synthetic recycled oil called EcoPower in all their rental RV's. It's not too easy to get it yet. Closest place to me is 30 miles away at a Meineke Auto Care Center. It seems like Meineke is the main retail distributor right now. You can go on their website to check it out and see where it's available near you.

http://www.ecopoweroil.com/

I think just going with Mobil 1 or another synthetic is the best way to go.

socal77
Explorer II
Explorer II
Mocoondo wrote:
socal77 wrote:
Hi guys, I decided I'll change the oil myself in my 2009 Four Winds Majestic 28A with the Ford E450 V10.

I'd appreciate recommendations on type and brand of oil and filter. I know the oil cap recommends 5W-20. So far from the research I've done online many people recommend Mobil-1 synthetic.


The vehicle had dyno oil run through it for its entire life. I recommend you stick with that. 5W20 and P1250 filter. Change every 6,000 miles and you will remain on the same schedule that the unit received in the rental fleet.


Mocoondo, thanks for the reply. I did end up putting Mobil 1 in it with a Motorcraft filter. Hopefully it works out. Maybe I can go back to Dyno the next change...

Mocoondo
Explorer II
Explorer II
socal77 wrote:
Hi guys, I decided I'll change the oil myself in my 2009 Four Winds Majestic 28A with the Ford E450 V10.

I'd appreciate recommendations on type and brand of oil and filter. I know the oil cap recommends 5W-20. So far from the research I've done online many people recommend Mobil-1 synthetic.


The vehicle had dyno oil run through it for its entire life. I recommend you stick with that. 5W20 and P1250 filter. Change every 6,000 miles and you will remain on the same schedule that the unit received in the rental fleet.

IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
Welcome rdhetrick to the Former Rental Club,you are now on the list.
#66

It is also good to hear from a fellow Workhorse Chevy owner,there is not a lot of us out there. If there are any questions about the Chevy Chassis that I can answer I will try to help.
It is good to hear that you bought from El Monte RV, I understand that they are nice folks there,I hope that your experience with them was a good one.

Please come back to tell us all how you like owning a Former Rental and anything that might help others that are looking to do the same
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C

rdhetrick
Explorer
Explorer
Add me to the list, I just bought a 2007 Tioga on a Chevy chassis from El Monte in McKinney TX. They were a pleasure to deal with. Spent the weekend getting my toad set up, gonna take it for a short trip next weekend.
Rob - Solo Full Timer
2017 Winnebago Travato 59G
Former 2006 Mandalay 40E

IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
reefboy1,welcome to the Forum and the Former Rental Club.
I will add you to the roster you are #65
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C

reefboy1
Explorer
Explorer
Hi all,

Thanks to the info I learned from this thread, I had the confidence to put a deposit down on a 2012 Thor Four Winds 28A.

This is our first RV and I'm looking forward to the experience.

Thanks to all who contributed their experience.

Art

socal77
Explorer II
Explorer II
IAMICHABOD wrote:
The Mobil 1 synthetic is what I use . 5-20 along with one of their filters.


I Followed your advice and put in Mobil 1 High Mileage formula and a Motorcraft filter. I was able to buy oil in 5qt bottles for $22.47 at Walmart. All the auto part stores are well over $30 for a 5qt bottle.

The oil I drained out looked very used and dark. I think the people I bought it from went 9,000+ miles on the last oil change before I bought it. Only 4 qts drained out so it was low as well. I put 6.5qts in and am going to keep my eye on it.

IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
The Mobil 1 synthetic is what I use . 5-20 along with one of theiir filters.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C

socal77
Explorer II
Explorer II
Hi guys, I decided I'll change the oil myself in my 2009 Four Winds Majestic 28A with the Ford E450 V10.

I'd appreciate recommendations on type and brand of oil and filter. I know the oil cap recommends 5W-20. So far from the research I've done online many people recommend Mobil-1 synthetic.

NTORACN
Explorer
Explorer
I wouldn't spend money on a rebuilt unless a compression test showed numbers below spec or there is an internal failure. Rough running caused by a dirty carb, air filter or? can and should be resolved first before a rebuild should be considered. The hours you describe on the unit doesn't seem excessive.I bet you have a minor problem.

Mocoondo
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Explorer II
Mocoondo wrote:
socal77 wrote:



Thanks Mocoondo, I appreciate the guidance. I just talked to a mobile RV repair guy that's been around 10+ years. He has contracted to do work on CA RV's in the past so knows them very well. He's also Onan Certified. (Also has 21 reviews on his company's Facebook page and they are all 5 stars so he sounds legit).

I told him my Onan 4000 has 1,300 hours on it. He is suggesting a rebuild with new fuel pump, etc. Quoted a price of $950. He said he could just do a tune-up but that the generator would not perform at peak condition.

I'd appreciate feedback. $950 seems high...


Rebuild the entire generator?

Seems a bit excessive to suggest that sort of a need without actually performing a diagnosis. 1,300 hours is not a lot of hours in the grand scheme of things. I have seen them with 3,000+ still running strong.

I still contend that if it is running, there is nothing major wrong with it. Consider a tuneup and a new fuel filter and go from there. I can tell you from experience that the fuel filter is almost always neglected on those units because it is in a horrible location for ease of changing. I've seen units with 1,000+ hours on them still running the original fuel filter.