Temporary Import of Class A to Canada

[gonesouth]

There was a recent topic in which importation to Canada was discussed and one poster (JaxDad) talked about his experience taking a US registered vehicle he owned to his home in Canada. I have looked through the CBSA and Transport Canada websites and I can't find how one does this (legally)

I am interested in a coach which I would buy in Florida and bring back to Canada, incurring HST at 15% as well as an annual inspection requirement and thus legally having it registered in Florida is very much of interest.

Is there a way to do this? How do I do it?

[Bruce_Brown]

This thread has run it's course.

As always, when it comes to something as sensive as this, I would suggest you seek better advice than we can offer here.

[JaxDad]

gutfelt wrote:
second off READ what I said this person whom I know personally uses his CDN passport Iam not nor every denied what your posted law reads and as suggested like a lot of border rules and regulations a lot depends on what the agent your talking at time of entry decides is good or not; so yes he as posted here 3 times uses his cdn passport to enter the usa

Hey Tom, hang on, I'm coming with you, some people can argue all by themselves.

Maybe I'll be lucky and hot one of those border agents that doesn't need to follow the law, want a couple of jugs of Crown Royal? The import laws no longer apply, it's up to the agent.

[Tom_Barb]

This thread has turned into a Pizzing contest..----> bye bye.

[gutfelt]

JaxDad wrote:

gutfelt wrote:
sorry man you are wrong

I've posted the LAW that says I'm right. I don't see anything but the same tired old denials. Worth exactly the same as a used car salesman's promises. Zero.

Care to post the LAW that says I'm wrong?

Ok lets not play dumb here please
what law ? the car import laws are what I posted after u insisted a person can do what you do? once we all found out your a US citizen your whole vehicle admittance thing went out the window for any Canadian only person; you and I both know that so iam actually not sure why you ever brought that up because you knew all along you were dual citizen

second off READ what I said this person whom I know personally uses his CDN passport Iam not nor every denied what your posted law reads
and as suggested like a lot of border rules and regulations a lot depends on what the agent your talking at time of entry decides is good or not; so yes he as posted here 3 times uses his cdn passport to enter the usa

[JaxDad]

gutfelt wrote:
sorry man you are wrong

I've posted the LAW that says I'm right. I don't see anything but the same tired old denials. Worth exactly the same as a used car salesman's promises. Zero.

Care to post the LAW that says I'm wrong?

[JaxDad]

gutfelt wrote:
Him and I have been in business since 1984 Just for hull of it I just emailed him last nite
Mike what passport do u use to enter the USA
Reply :::
Just the Canadian. 
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 23, 2017, at 7:41 PM,

This whole 6 page mess we have going on could have been totally avoided had JaxDad been honest and declared he was a US citizen

Ok, now we’re beyond fantasy and into criminal activity.

Americans with dual nationalitylegalities.

There is ZERO chance an American citizen got across the border on a Canadian passport.

Not the first line of the last paragraph, which they even put in bold type.

“U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.”

Honest? You're hilarious.......

You post yet again this drivel about your allegedly law-breaking 'partner' and then make a statement like that? Wow.


I and many others have accidentally hand a US CPB officer the wrong passport at the border and been greeted with a smile and a "I think you gave me the wrong passport sir." When the Canadian (or almost any other nation) passport of an American with dual nationality is scanned it instantly turns the screen red and gives the CBP officer a warning that the person in front of them is an American.

Otherwise American citizens with dual nationality could evade arrest or other issue by merely entering or leaving the country with a 'foreign' passport.

You'd never get across the border ONCE, let alone for 20 plus years.

[gutfelt]

JaxDad wrote:

bob_nestor wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

There is no ‘way around’ anything. It’s all laid out in regulations and memorandums under the Canada Customs Tariff. Any Canadian can do it.

Except for one very important point being that you have dual citizenship. So you can comply with Canadian Law on dragging your US licensed vehicle into Canada and agree with Canadian Customs that it can't be legally driven by you in Canada except to take it back into the US. HOWEVER, since you have dual citizenship and a Florida driver's license you can legally drive your US car in Canada. Most other Canadians don't have dual citizenship and don't have that luxury. For them to legally use their US licensed car in Canada they'd have to import it and pay the import duties.

No, its a completely MOOT point, while in Canada I am a CANADIAN citizen, period.


A second or even third nationality changes NOTHING.

That is why the LAW REQUIRES you enter Canada with a Canadian passport, and the US with a US passport.

sorry man you are wrong ;
the only reason u get to bring and drive a US car in Canada is because you have a US DL and are a us citizen
A Canadian Can not do what you claim to do end of story

AS already posted My Business partner only uses his Canadian passport for both country's now that maybe a deal where its up to the clearing agent at the US border I have seen US border guards make their own interpretation of rules many times
nuff said we all know the truth here now and OP has his answer

[JaxDad]

bob_nestor wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

There is no ‘way around’ anything. It’s all laid out in regulations and memorandums under the Canada Customs Tariff. Any Canadian can do it.

Except for one very important point being that you have dual citizenship. So you can comply with Canadian Law on dragging your US licensed vehicle into Canada and agree with Canadian Customs that it can't be legally driven by you in Canada except to take it back into the US. HOWEVER, since you have dual citizenship and a Florida driver's license you can legally drive your US car in Canada. Most other Canadians don't have dual citizenship and don't have that luxury. For them to legally use their US licensed car in Canada they'd have to import it and pay the import duties.

No, its a completely MOOT point, while in Canada I am a CANADIAN citizen, period.


A second or even third nationality changes NOTHING. That's why I specifically said "Any Canadian can do it.".

That is why the LAW REQUIRES you enter Canada with a Canadian passport, and the US with a US passport.

[gutfelt]

Him and I have been in business since 1984 Just for hull of it I just emailed him last nite
Mike what passport do u use to enter the USA
Reply :::
Just the Canadian. 
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 23, 2017, at 7:41 PM,

This whole 6 page mess we have going on could have been totally avoided had JaxDad been honest and declared he was a US citizen

Ok, now we’re beyond fantasy and into criminal activity.

Americans with dual nationalitylegalities.

There is ZERO chance an American citizen got across the border on a Canadian passport.

Not the first line of the last paragraph, which they even put in bold type.

“U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.”

[bob_nestor]

JaxDad wrote:

There is no ‘way around’ anything. It’s all laid out in regulations and memorandums under the Canada Customs Tariff. Any Canadian can do it.

Except for one very important point being that you have dual citizenship. So you can comply with Canadian Law on dragging your US licensed vehicle into Canada and agree with Canadian Customs that it can't be legally driven by you in Canada except to take it back into the US. HOWEVER, since you have dual citizenship and a Florida driver's license you can legally drive your US car in Canada. Most other Canadians don't have dual citizenship and don't have that luxury. For them to legally use their US licensed car in Canada they'd have to import it and pay the import duties.

[DownTheAvenue]

darsben1 wrote:

DownTheAvenue wrote:
If you want to register a vehicle in Florida, you may incur residency issues with Florida. You cannot title and license a vehicle in the United States unless you are a resident of the state in which it is titled and registered. As a Canadian citizen, you would have to become a legal resident alien of the United States, and then you would have to pay United Sates income tax. I think your 15% HST tax would be cheaper if, and that is a big if, you could even become a resident alien of the United States.

You do not have to be a resident in Arizona to register a vehicle in Arizona. I am legally a New York resident and have
1 car
1 motor home
1 Fifth wheel
and
1 ATV licensed in Arizona using my NY address as my mailing address and the RV park address as the local address

You missed my point. In your case, Arizona could make the claim that you have declared yourself a resident and now have claim that you owe taxes to the state as any other resident.

In the OP's case, the United States could make the claim that he is trying to establish himself as a resident, and could claim he has failed to file appropriate IRS returns, immigration could jail him, and deport him with instructions to never return to the U.S.

As an attorney, I can tell you there are sometimes extreme consequences for simple legal processes we do all the time (like registering a vehicle). All it takes is a bureaucrat to get a little out of control and all he11 breaks loose.

[moisheh]

I again will offer this advice. DO NOT listen to jax dad. He is usually wrong and **** stubborn. Funny how in other threads he chastises people for not following the law and now is suggesting that you can break the law!!! For an ordinary citizen you cannot legally drive a MH in Canada that has foreign plates. Rentals are a whole other thing. You can drive it to your house to load items or do repairs. If you want a ruling on this subject just send a snail mail to the following: CRA, CBP and your local Canadian DMV.

Moisheh

[JaxDad]

gutfelt wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

bob_nestor wrote:
But if you hold dual citizenship as you say then why not cross into Canada on your US passport and avoid the whole issue? Or is that against Canadian Law to enter Canada as a Canadian citizen under a different countries passport?

Anyway, is sounds like you have a way around the Canadian vehicle import restrictions given that you're also a US citizen even though you're also a Canadian citizen.

Yes, it’s against the law for a Canadian to enter Canada except on a Canadian passport or other ID.

The same as the law in the US, citizens who hold a second citizenship MUST enter the US with US identification.

There is no ‘way around’ anything. It’s all laid out in regulations and memorandums under the Canada Customs Tariff. Any Canadian can do it.

My business partner enters the usa on his CDN passport not a us one even though hes a dual citizen

Ok, now we’re beyond fantasy and into criminal activity.

Americans with dual nationalitylegalities.

There is ZERO chance an American citizen got across the border on a Canadian passport.

Not the first line of the last paragraph, which they even put in bold type.

“U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.”

[JaxDad]

Tom/Barb wrote:

gonesouth wrote:


Tom/Barb: I wondered about that as you see UHaul vehicles registered in Nevada here all the time. It turns that they have a special arrangement where the rental outfit reports the mileage monthly along with a cheque covering a proportional share of taxes to each jurisdiction having miles run on their whole fleet. (similar to the way commercial fleets operating in several states or provinces report their mileage and submit fuel taxes monthly. In those cases it's treated as a vehicle that came in through the RIV program. This started as an offshoot of the temporary import rules which I've done in both directions for an employer that had plants on both sides of the border. But the paper burden was outrageous and I'm sure after one month's filings from a rental fleet homeland security and CBPA were crying 'uncle'. The same deal isn't offered to private citizens.

And why can't the little LLC arrange the same agreement?

His milage would be nothing to the payment.

US corporate owned vehicles are allowed in, either for ‘business puposes’ or as a rental, no ‘agreements’ needed.

The only provisio is that beyond a short term a rental attracts Canadian sales tax. No different than renting a US plated U-haul in Canada and paying Canadian tax on it.