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Turn in motorhome back to bank

terryb149
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Has anyone got some information on what happens and how bad it is to turn your motorhome back over to the bank? I have a 2006 Allegro Bus that I have been trying to sell for a couple of months with no takers. The wife is after me to just park it at the bank and give them the keys and walk away.
I owe more than resell so I'm not in a good position.
Any thoughts sure would help me out.
Thanks all
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Effy
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Explorer II
The bank is interested in 2 things in this order, the principal on the loan to protect losses and the interest on the loan to protect profit. It's no secret banks operate on a profit business model just like every other business. Loss of interest as profit is still a loss. Banks assets are not only based on reserves but loans and their interest. Outstanding loans are an asset and that drives their borrowing power from the Fed as well as stock value. Ok, enough on the lesson. The bank does not want your RV. They are not an RV dealer. It's a liability. They will liquidate as quickly as possible and couldn't really care less about what they make. You are still on the hook for the entire amount. So whatever they sell it for, you still owe the rest, plus interest and fees. A voluntary repossession will wreck your credit for 5-7 years. It's not much different than charging it off as a bad debt. So in the end you really end up paying more and wrecking your credit than selling for less privately and supplementing the sale. In an era of a rebounding economy, banks are strict on requirements, so this will hurt if you plan on buying anything soon. You are better off selling private for a lower price and taking out an equity line or something with lower interest to pay the rest off (credit card, family member, 401, etc). Because you can't sell private for less than you owe and get clear title, so you need to cover the rest when you sell it.

Is bankruptcy an option? Talk to a lawyer if it is, although bankruptcies are getting harder to get approved for especially for "luxury" items like Rv's. They can be contested by the bank in a bankruptcy case. This will also wreck your credit.

If you simply walk away it's an all out repo and likely a judgment will sought and wages can be garnished and your credit wrecked.

So really the best scenario is to sell and try and get your hands on the rest to supplement the remainder. Maybe talk to your bank about a personal loan to cover the difference between selling the RV and what you owe the bank. Take a cash advance on a credit card, cash in a 401, take equity in your home, ask a family member, sell a car etc etc.

We may be selling our RV soon and fortunately we are close to being even on what fair market value and the loan is. But we put 30% down when we bought it. I would have to pay that to sell it if I hadn't put it down so it's a loss either way. Part of the RV game. Pay now or pay later to compensate for depreciation.

Your scenario is one of the fundamental problems with RV's. It's a heavily depreciating asset, so you need to have a good exit strategy if you want out of it or throw a lot of money on the front end of the loan, or get lucky with a used one. So many people daily buying RV's with only 10% down and take a hit on day 1 of at least 20-30%. If you sell within 5 or so years of buying you will take a huge loss. Many people are blind to that. You can call it cost of ownership or whatever you want but it's a reality few know about or the rest simply ignore and hope for the best. Truth in lending should require dealerships to tell you what your RV is worth amortized over the loan, but they aren't required to. Granted it's not hard and fast and there are a lot of factors but generally they follow a curve - downward. Some car companies are actually doing this now. They did recently when we bought our Honda.

I sincerely wish you good luck.
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mogman
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Explorer
I guess I just don't understand how anyone would consider "give the unit back to the bank and walk away". When you took on the loan, you now have a legal and moral obligation to fulfill the terms of that loan regarding the payments.

To just "I'm not doing this anymore" seems just wrong.

Can you not talk to the bank and possibly have the payments re-negotiated to a lesser amount? Your credibility and credit status should not take a hit.

As I said I'm not wise in the ways of the U.S. banking system and I may be well out in left field here, but just giving up does not seem morally, ethically and financially right. Talk to your bank, I'm sure they would be willing to come to some arrangement with you.
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ferndaleflyer
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Never did put any numbers on the unit. This is a fact. My friend bought a 2005 DP in 2006 that had 4500mi on it and still had plastic over the carpet for $48,000 from a bank-----the unit had sold for $170,000 new and the original owner got stuck for whatever difference there was......the bank could care less what they get for it. They want it gone and then they come after you adding every fee and expense to what you owe along the way......You need to sell it for whatever you can get and somehow absorb the loss your self. Put some numbers on it here.

imgoin4it
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Explorer
I suggest that whatever you do you do it ASAP. I had cousin who passed. His wife wanted to sell their coach. They owed $100K. Coach was worth $90K. "Could not afford" the $10K difference. She kept the coach, paid monthly payments of $1000 for the next 70 months plus tires and batteries ETC, then sold it for $20 less than she owed. Do the math, paid $70K over the 70 months plus another $20K at time of sale equals $90K rather than $10K. Then I had a neighbor do the exact same thing, exact same circumstances. Just was a little less money but hung onto 5th wheel for three years and spent more money hanging on than dumping It and paying the difference. "BEG BORROW OR STEAL THE MONEY AND MAKE IT GO AWAY".
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2bzy2c
Explorer II
Explorer II
I went over to the Tiffin Classified and from what I can
see, what you have your coach advertised for is right in the ballpark.

Get more aggressive with your advertising.
My advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.

Golden_HVAC
Explorer
Explorer
I know someone who did that with a Kia minivan, and it was only 2 years old. Her daughter had to be in the hospital a long time, and she had no other assets. The dealership sold the van for $5,000 at auction, and she still owes a tax bill for the 'loss' that the finance company suffered and wrote off to her benifit.

So while they could not go after her for the money, the IRS will.

Try to lower the price to what they are accepting for 2006 Alegro's. Check with a couple of the Texas DP dealers, and see what they are selling them for. Try selling it for a $10,000 loss. And while you will take a loss, it will not be as bad as having the bank sell it at auction to the highest bidder, who is thinking "I really have no idea what maintenance has been done to this RV, or if the refrigerator works, or the transmission is bad or what?" They plan on bidding $50,000 on a $120,000 Rig hoping that they will not have to pay more than $10,000 to get it road worthy and able to sell it at some profit.

Also consider your monthly payments. Take what you might pay over the next year, and consider 'what if I sell it next year for say $75,000.' During the next 12 months you will have to pay about $1,000 in insurance and perhaps $12,000 in payments. By selling it today for $60,000 you will actually be coming out ahead - in come cases. And next year it will be 'another' year older, 10 in fact. Some RV parks do not allow 10 year old units, but many will. Some just decide not to buy a 10 year old unit for that reason.. .

Good luck, some tough decisions, and they all don't look to rosy. . .

Fred.
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sehunter
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Explorer
I read this on another forum so don't know how true but worth talking to them.
For whatever reason he had said that he talked to his lender and they were willing to do a short sale. Which I'm guessing means the lender was willing to take less than the remaining balance on the note. I do know some lenders will take less on a stick home note but you may still have to come up with something.
I would strongly suggest talking to your lender.
Just my 2c.
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J-Rooster
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Explorer
Terry, sorry to hear about your woes! Glad your asking for suggestions on RV.Net to help inform yourself on the best path to take. Good Luck, Rooster

Bill_Satellite
Explorer II
Explorer II
Friends of ours did just the same as you are suggesting. What they did was buy a home while they still had credit, ensured they were not going to be hurt by having bad credit for the foreseeable future and then walked away. Bad credit but wealthier than they would have been with any other option.
What I post is my 2 cents and nothing more. Please don't read anything into my post that's not there. If you disagree, that's OK.
Can't we all just get along?

dbates
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Explorer
Laws very from state to state with regard to deficiency balances, joint property liability, bankruptcy exempt obligations, etc. Find a good attorney but make sure that the first thing out of his mouth isn’t to file bankruptcy because filing bankruptcy is inexpensive for him but costly for you in attorney fee and future credit damage. The lender can garnish your wages if you fail to pay the deficiency but in Indiana if the MH loan is in your name only and other assets are held jointly with your spouse the lender cannot attach the jointly held assets. So you need to know how Texas law will affect you in the future whatever you do.

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lj2654
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Explorer
I had to let mine go back because of a family emergency back in 2001! Bank had it picked up and took to auction. I had to pay what was left on the loan and messed up my credit for 5 years, made payments monthly on rest of money owed.
The bank would not even work with me when I was honest about why I had no choice after trying to sell for a year while still making payments. They could care less usually.
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DSDP_Don
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Have you talked to the bank. Sometimes they would rather work something out than take in a motor home and have to deal with the sale.
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2bzy2c
Explorer II
Explorer II
I saw your ad for your coach. Your price is not that out of line.

Nada-

$109,900 $132,400

The coach does look really nice. Well cared for and from what I can tell was stored inside. A big plus!

IF that is your only ad you have running, then that is your problem. RV's are hard to sell. You need to really broadcast the *rap out of it.
Criagslist, RV Trader, and most importantly, advertise in the
Tiffin Owners forum. HERE
The ads are free, and you will get lots of attention.

Also, advertise in areas outside of your area. Florida for example. A coach like that, people will drive or even fly to see it.

Don't give up.

Remember-

“He who has a thing to sell and goes and whispers in a well is not so apt to get the dollars as he who climbs a tree and hollers.”

Best of luck.
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The_Texan
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Explorer
Talk to a lawyer. There ARE lots of wrong answers here, depending on where you live. I know that in some jurisdictions, the law more or less requires the bank to allow a "short sale", so do NOT heed the advice given here for free, because that is just what you get, ZERO knowledgeable advice for your particular situation and locale. TALK to a lawyer in YOUR area.

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BennieH
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Trackrig wrote:
And, let's say you owned $100K on it, the bank sold it for $70K and in some distant world, they forgave you the $30K difference, then you own the IRS taxes on the $30 that the bank gave you.

There's no such thing as parking it on their doorstep and never having to deal with it again.

Bill

Saw that happen to someone at work. IRS came after him for $80k that bank forgave. He did lose everything as a result. They went after everything!
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