CDC and the government may be loosening the lockdown

[agesilaus]

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The states still control this tho but I would expect a lot of states to follow the suggestions. Not the Plague Centers tho. So maybe we will be able to RV again.

We are going out to find some cotton material that can be used to make washable masks. They recommend the stuff like tee shirts are made of. 6 or 8 layers. It will not stop viruses but will stop spray from coughs and sneezes.

[Cummins12V98]

That is how my friend rolls.

[Gdetrailer]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Dodge guy, the mask idea in the case of a virus is not to "protect" the "wearer"."

That is the biggest crock of SH!T right there!!!

They CAN't say they will protect you for Legal reasons. Anyone with a lick of common sense will realize the mask you make or buy WILL protect you, it's just no one can say by how much.

Listen to their WORDS.

Anyone who totally believes a simple "N95" mask is totally going to save you from this virus is a fool..

To FULLY PROTECT you would NEED a full face mask like this..



A 3M "N95" mask simply cannot give 100% seal around your entire face properly on everyone, they do not have a rubber gasket seal.. Not to mention, very few people really understand how to get a good fit, they do not fit me period and are worthless to me..

Add in a "N95" does not protect another important point of entry, your EYES..

YES, your eyes can absorb microscopic things very easily from the air, I deal with tree and weed pollens, I CAN feel the pollens affect on my eyes before it bothers me anywhere else.

For myself I use a half face paint respirator..


for things like mowing the lawn, cutting fire wood, sawing/cutting/sanding wood, even using stains or latex paints require me to use a real respirator.. If I ignore and don't bother, I will pay for it the next week with severe allergic reactions which trigger asthma attacks.

Anyone who thinks a "N95" mask alone even if they get a decent fit is going to keep themselves safe is only kidding themselves.. Takes more than a "N95" mask...

[Cummins12V98]

wa8yxm wrote:
Observations:
The Federal Government is talking about unlocking the lockdown but MANY states the government or governors are not sure this should be done yet.

So as with so many things in life when it comes to Re-opening campgrounds, restaurants, and so on in your state or your destination state "Your Millage May Vary" as we were fond of saying in a medical forum I used to moderate.

Now: one more comment: Do I agree with Either the Federal or my home state on this: Yes. I agree with one of 'em.

Michigan State Employee, I will take the bet the Lady Governor is in your wheelhouse.

[wa8yxm]

Observations:
The Federal Government is talking about unlocking the lockdown but MANY states the government or governors are not sure this should be done yet.

So as with so many things in life when it comes to Re-opening campgrounds, restaurants, and so on in your state or your destination state "Your Millage May Vary" as we were fond of saying in a medical forum I used to moderate.

Now: one more comment: Do I agree with Either the Federal or my home state on this: Yes. I agree with one of 'em.

[RambleOnNW]

fj12ryder wrote:

RambleOnNW wrote:

ajriding wrote:
World-wide (not counting what china is not telling us) covid deaths have passed the number of flu deaths in a typical American flu season. Fear the reaper!!??
100,000+ worldwide deaths is more than 60,000 to 80,000 deaths from a flu season in just our country.
This is the panic the dishonest media is making a lot of us panic over.
If you are older and have underlying health problems then you should have a little concern of getting any illness, but otherwise statistically this is insignificant.
The federal govt has not locked down anything, lock downs are all acts of the state governors who are buying into the panic.

You are comparing 70 days of covid-19 against 365 days of a flu season (flu occurs worldwide all year). Come back next year at the end of February and update us on the stats.

According to the CDC: "Most of the time flu activity peaks between December and February, although activity can last as late as May."

CDC estimates this seasons flu deaths at 24,000 to 62,000:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Bringing up the flu number just illustrates how carelessly accepting American society is about spreading the yearly flu and trivializing the resulting illness and death. People going to work sick and carelessly infecting others reflects poorly on the lack of a national sick leave policy so sick workers can afford to stay home.

[fj12ryder]

RambleOnNW wrote:

ajriding wrote:
World-wide (not counting what china is not telling us) covid deaths have passed the number of flu deaths in a typical American flu season. Fear the reaper!!??
100,000+ worldwide deaths is more than 60,000 to 80,000 deaths from a flu season in just our country.
This is the panic the dishonest media is making a lot of us panic over.
If you are older and have underlying health problems then you should have a little concern of getting any illness, but otherwise statistically this is insignificant.
The federal govt has not locked down anything, lock downs are all acts of the state governors who are buying into the panic.

You are comparing 70 days of covid-19 against 365 days of a flu season (flu occurs worldwide all year). Come back next year at the end of February and update us on the stats.

According to the CDC: "Most of the time flu activity peaks between December and February, although activity can last as late as May."

[shelbyfv]

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[Cummins12V98]

shelbyfv wrote:
Cummins, that get up may make you feel safe but you are likely to frighten children! Looks like some kind of hillbilly militia outfit. I suggest a Cubs cap to start!

Best part was when standing in front of the Bank Cashier with 1" thick bullet proof glass between us. I said I bet I would not be allowed to stand here a few days ago looking like this!?


She said "NO" !!!

I asked the Lady entering Costco when presenting my pictured side of the card towards her I said how do you know it's me? She was not amused!

Everyone else there were VERY nice and light hearted.

[shelbyfv]

Cummins, that get up may make you feel safe but you are likely to frighten children! Looks like some kind of hillbilly militia outfit. I suggest a Cubs cap to start!

[Cummins12V98]

"Dodge guy, the mask idea in the case of a virus is not to "protect" the "wearer"."

That is the biggest crock of SH!T right there!!!

They CAN't say they will protect you for Legal reasons. Anyone with a lick of common sense will realize the mask you make or buy WILL protect you, it's just no one can say by how much.

Listen to their WORDS.

[Cummins12V98]

"I have to laugh when I see people wearing these masks. You can see the opening around it where it's not sealed properly to the face. But hey, they feel they are safe so that's all that matters!"

The sad part he is a "PROFESSIONAL".

I wore hundreds of N95 respirators in my Construction career. You knew you had worn it wrong when at home in the evening blowing your nose "PigmyPresto-Logs" would come shooting out your nose!!!

[Gdetrailer]

dodge guy wrote:


I have to laugh when I see people wearing these masks. You can see the opening around it where it's not sealed properly to the face. But hey, they feel they are safe so that's all that matters!

Dodge guy, the mask idea in the case of a virus is not to "protect" the "wearer".

It is to protect OTHERS around or near the wearer of such items.

Think of it as a sneeze/snot/breath guard.

If EVERYONE who is out in public wears something to catch or REDUCE the tiny virus particles in your breath (YES, it IS possible that this virus can and does float out in just your breathing alone) it WILL go a long, long way to slowing the transmission of this virus.

AS I mentioned, it is NOT there to "protect" the wearer, but rather to help protect the general public from folks who may have the virus but shows no symptoms.

Don't make fun of it, I suspect it can help and we ALL need as much cooperation as possible at this time.

It is not "fun" to wear a mask, respirator or bandana but is most likely a necessary temporary evil until the medical community is able to get a firm handle on how to treat or even stop the virus.

I can tell you, as a necessary worker. it is a real pain to wear a mask and gloves for a 8hr shift.. Picking up tiny screws/parts is a new added challenge in life that makes my job pretty miserable. Makes me appreciate the front line health care givers that must wear even more intrusive protective gear!

My hats are off to anyone that takes the added steps of wearing even a bandana out in public!

[dodge_guy]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Even the "PROFESSOINALS" don't have a clue how to wear a respirator. Notice the metal strip is NOT pressed into place to make a seal along the sides of the nose??? FACT is he is spreading who knows what and inhaling thru his nose and mouth who knows what!!!

Get all surfaces tight to your face or it is almost useless wearing the mask.

This is how I went to town the other day. I was very well protected, notice how tight the mask is to my face and around ny nose???

This is what i wear riding my Motorcycle. Per Surgeon General recommendations I placed one Bounty paper towel folded in 1/2 so it covered my mouth and nose behind the face sock. I was well protected and so were all others from me.

I have to laugh when I see people wearing these masks. You can see the opening around it where it's not sealed properly to the face. But hey, they feel they are safe so that's all that matters!

[RambleOnNW]

ajriding wrote:
World-wide (not counting what china is not telling us) covid deaths have passed the number of flu deaths in a typical American flu season. Fear the reaper!!??
100,000+ worldwide deaths is more than 60,000 to 80,000 deaths from a flu season in just our country.
This is the panic the dishonest media is making a lot of us panic over.
If you are older and have underlying health problems then you should have a little concern of getting any illness, but otherwise statistically this is insignificant.
The federal govt has not locked down anything, lock downs are all acts of the state governors who are buying into the panic.

You are comparing 70 days of covid-19 against 365 days of a flu season (flu occurs worldwide all year). Come back next year at the end of February and update us on the stats.

[wnjj]

wa8yxm wrote:

agesilaus wrote:

You can also assume that the death rates are reported low as coroners have been low priority for getting test kits.

Don't see what you are talking about here. Why can we assume that??

What he is saying (and it makes 100% Sense) is that the test kits are being used on the living.. So if someone dies, who has NOT been tested positive. the cornor can not list it as a COVID-19.. it may go down as Inluenza since the symptoms are close. or as Unknown.

This is as it should be by the way.

Nope. If you check out the CDC guidance I posted a few posts above yours, you’ll see that they indeed can and are encouraged to list Covid if it’s “reasonable” to believe it was the cause.