RV Fuel Issues & Prices - Post 'Em Here!

[Dick_A]

All other fuel threads will be automatically deleted. 🙂

[SRT]

Bumpyroad wrote:

koda55 wrote:
MrWizard

If you go to www.dieselbuddy.com it will give you multipal site4s for diesel prices.

I think that was a subtle hint by a mod. to keep it on topic and the politics out. 🙂
bumpy

Yup.....:B

[Bumpyroad]

koda55 wrote:
MrWizard

If you go to www.dieselbuddy.com it will give you multipal site4s for diesel prices.

I think that was a subtle hint by a mod. to keep it on topic and the politics out. 🙂
bumpy

[koda55]

MrWizard

If you go to www.dieselbuddy.com it will give you multipal site4s for diesel prices.

[koda55]

Two days ago gas was 2.59 at stations. Yesterday it was up to 2.63. Today same station and others are up to 2.69. To bad it comes down slower that it goes up.

[MrWizard]

I came here looking for diesel.fuel prices not politics

[Fezziwig]

OK, look for CLean Coal Subsidy and I'll look for FTL solar plant.

[SRT]

As to green energy production, I have heard that Spain went whole hog to produce green energy. Seems they're almost as bad off as Greece with their debt load. Here's one source:

Spain's green economy

[SRT]

Gas prices haven't dropped or gone up for several weeks. What's going on? :h

[LindsayRichards]

enter the following into Yahoo search engine and you can get hundreds of links.The first one has a photo of our president standing right in the middle of it.

FPL solar plant

[Fezziwig]

I'll hunt up the subsidy data, it's around here someplace, usually on a jot note on one of the computers, else I'll find it on the net, again.

In exchange, please post the Punta Gorda PV stuff, I didn't find it with a quick google.

[LindsayRichards]

What is the source of your subsidy information? Please link to it.
Clean coal is the darling of the environmentalists, it is a waste of money. We have the cleanest coal burning power plants in the world and they supply nearly 50 % of our electricity in America. We can not just throw them away for a PV plants like in my area that a just joke.

[Fezziwig]

Pilot systems are always high-priced. They get burdened with lots of miscellaneous charges. Like this:

http://charlotte.floridaweekly.com/news/2009-12-10/Top_News/Going_Green.html

"Florida Power and Light was forced by the state’s Public Service Commission last year to discontinue a program called Sunshine Energy. According to reports, more than 38,000 of the company’s customers paid extra on their bills so that FPL would use clean energy sources such as solar. But a state audit found that 76 percent of the money went to pay for marketing and advertising.

That was before FPL opened the nation’s largest photovoltaic solar energy field in DeSoto County. "

Last year the myth of "clean coal" got a $4billion subsidy while PV got $200million.

It's all about subsidies.

[LindsayRichards]

Is that for your house or for RV? Sorry, but I haven't studdied up on the house needs.

[pianotuna]

Hi Lindsay,

For about $10,501.00 (for parts) a Home can have 6200 watts of grid tied solar. That amounts to over 30,000 watts-hours per day. I don't use that much.

Solar works best on a distributed generation model, not in the "hub and spoke" system the electrical companies love to charge for.

6200 watts grid tied

[LindsayRichards]

The country’s largest photovoltaic plant was built near me (in Punta Gorda, FL). It cost $150,000,000 and will supply the electricity to 30,000 homes. A little math says this is $50,000 per home. This works out to about $225/month for the interest on the capital alone and nothing towards the bulk of the traditional electrical cost such as poles, wiring, meters, labor and all those big white trucks. The reason this was done was so the company could get approval to build two nuclear plants. Both the president and vice president have come and looked at it and had their pictures taken. At night and when the sun doesn’t shine (very rainy here), they have to use traditional sources and therefore can not take any real plants off line and saving their costs. As fossil fuel plants can not be started and stopped on a moments notice if it looks like rain, the real plants must be run on standby or at about 20% rate. (It used to be called keeping the boilers warm.). The point here is that photovoltaic solar is nowhere near ready for prime time even with the huge government handouts that dwarf the fossil fuels based on their actual production of usable power. The best way to get solar power is to use the concentration method. Unfortunately this takes a lot of barren land and the largest planned project ever was recently stopped out in California by the senator who also claims to be for alternatives (except when in her district). I am all for alternative energies, but I do not want to see my energy bill soar (Obama used the term skyrocket.). Let use the massive resources of fossil fuels we have right here in America and spend the money on research to develop alternatives in a logical manner. Anybody tell us that alternatives are ready isn’t telling you the truth or is very misinformed.