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Jan-02-2004 04:32 PM
Updates:
Choosing an auxiliary brake system for our toads seems to be almost as challenging as choosing our RV’s. I hope to write a post that provides useful information about the different braking systems that are available. I do not intend for this thread to advocate for or against any system – I want it to just provide information.
To be useful, the information needs to be accurate. I have personal information about only two systems. All of the other information comes from the Internet. I would like for those who use a particular system to correct errors or provide additional information so that an accurate, final post can be made to serve the members of the forum. Again, please, I do not want this thread to be an advocating thread.
I will attempt to classify the braking systems based on the mechanism or process that triggers activation of the toad’s brakes. At present, I think this can be done with one of the following three categories.
Since different manufactures use different meanings for some of the important terminology, here are the definitions that I will use in this report.
Proportional: The toad’s brakes are applied in proportion to the pressure on the coach’s brake pedal.
Invasive: Installation of the system requires insertion of a connector in the toad’s (or coach’s) vacuum line, hydraulic line, or air lines (coaches with air brakes.) Invasive will not be used to describe mounting of vacuum pumps, air cylinders or cables.
Permanent installation: One does not have to remove devices from the toad before driving the toad. Although this does not mean that one cannot move the system to another toad; it does imply more than a casual amount of effort. Conversely, a non-permanent installation implies that part of the system must be removed prior to driving the toad. Non-permanent also implies that the system can be easily moved to another toad.
Apollo By Blue Ox
(See BrakeBuddy for a similar system)
Deceleration system. Accelerometers are used to detect a decrease in forward momentum. When triggered, an air cylinder extends an arm to apply pressure to the toad’s brake pedal.
Monitoring. Application of the toad’s brakes is signaled (radio) to the coach. The signal indicates the toad’s brake light switch has been activated. The transmitter is wired to the cold side of the brake light switch. The transmitter setup is permanent, in the sense that it is not removed to drive the toad. The transmitter requires a 12-volt DC connector. Since the base unit requires a 12-volt DC connector, the combined systems require two.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: The sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. The amount of pressure applied to the toad’s brake pedal can be adjusted.
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independently from the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes.
Is not proportional
Is not an invasive system.
System uses the toad’s electrical system. The unit is plugged into the 12-volt DC adapter. Note: The alert system also requires a 12-volt connector.
Installation is not permanent. The unit must be removed before the toad can be driven. Although the installation and removal is a simple process, the unit must be stored somewhere while the toad is being driven.
Has a breakaway system
Website: Blue Ox Apollo Brake System
Phone: 1-888-425-5382
Warranty: Five years
BrakeBuddy
(See Apollo for a similar system)
Deceleration system. Accelerometers are used to detect a decrease in forward momentum. When triggered, an air cylinder pushes forward an arm to apply pressure to the toad’s brake pedal.
Monitoring. Application of toad’s brakes is signaled (radio) to the coach. The signal is based on whether or not the air cylinder's arm is extended.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: The sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. The amount of pressure applied to the toad’s brake pedal can be adjusted.
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independently from the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes.
Is not proportional
Is not an invasive system.
System uses the toad’s electrical system. The unit is plugged into the 12-volt DC adapter.
Installation is not permanent. The unit must be removed before the toad can be driven. Although the installation and removal is a simple process, the unit must be stored somewhere while the toad is being driven.
Has a breakaway system.
Website: brakebuddy.com
Phone: 1-800-470-2287
Warranty: 30-day money back guarantee. 3-year warranty
BrakeMaster 9000 & 9100 Series by RoadMaster
Pressure applied to the coach’s brake pedal causes a proportional amount of pressure to be applied to the toad’s brakes. Air pressure is transmitted from the coach to an air cylinder that is non-permanently mounted in front of the driver’s seat. The air pressure can come from the coach’s airbrake system or, in the case the coach has a hydraulic brakes, from a compressor mounted in the coach. (See below) Note: The toad must have power brakes to use the standard BrakeMaster systems. An optional pressure regulator can be purchased to adapt a non-power brake toad.
Monitoring: Application of the toad’s brakes is signaled (wire umbilical cord) to the coach. The signal indicates that the toad’s brake light switch has been activated.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None
Adjustments to the system form within the toad: None
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independent of the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes.
Is proportional
Is invasive: 9000 Series: A hydraulic line must be run from the proportioning valve and tap into the coach’s hydraulic system at one of several possible locations.
9100 Series: For coaches with air brakes, a port on a relay valve near the rear axle is used to tap into the coach’s air brakes. For coaches with air-over-hydraulic systems, a port in the air booster near the coach’s front axle is used to tap into the air system.
Uses the toad’s electrical system. (Looking at the wiring diagrams, it appears that the toad’s battery could receive a charge from the motor home. That is not listed as a feature, Can anyone shed a light on this?)
Is not permanent in the sense defined for this review. An air cylinder must be attached between a mounting post and the toad’s brake pedal. The mounting post is affixed to a circular base plate that is bolted to the floor through hole drilled through the floor panel immediately in front of the driver’s seat when in its furthest back position. Seat adapter brackets are available for some vehicles. The seat adapter replaces the floor base plate and is secured by the seat channel bolts. In addition, the 9000 series requires the installation of an air compressor on the coach in “clean, dry place.” A storage bay is recommended. Also, a proportioning valve must be mounted on the chassis.
Has a breakaway system that requires the mounting of an air tank (usually under the hood). The air tank should be drained regularly to prevent moisture buildup.
Website: RoadMasterInc.com (Scroll down the page to Braking Systems or use the Products menu.)
Phone:1-800-669-9690
Warranty: One year
BrakePro by Roadmaster
Deceleration system. Accelerometer(s) are used to detect a decrease in forward momentum. When activated, an air cylinder pushes forward an arm to apply pressure to the toad’s brakes. Based on rate of deceleration, software determines how much pressure, up to a user determined maximum, is used to apply the brakes.
Monitoring. Application of the toad’s brakes is signaled (radio) to the coach. The signal is base on whether or not the cylinder’s arm is extended.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: The sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. The amount of pressure applied to the toad’s brake pedal can be adjusted.
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independently from the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes.
Is proportional: This is somewhat different from that which is usually described as proportional. The proportionality is based on the rate of deceleration as opposed to the amount of pressure on the coach’s brake pedal. In addition, the user determines a threshold, which must be met before the toad’s brakes are applied. And, finally, the user determines the maximum amount of pressure.
Is not an invasive system.
System uses the toad’s electrical system. Note: A 20-amp DC connector is required. Not all cars provide such a connector; many have only 15-amp connectors. Roadmaster sells a battery-direct 20-amp DC connector that is easy to install.
Installation is not permanent. The unit must be removed before the toad can be driven. Although the installation and removal is a simple process, the unit must be stored somewhere while the toad is being driven.
Has a breakaway system
Website: No longer exists.
Phone: 1-800-669-9690
Warranty: One year
Even Brake by Roadmaster –
Deceleration system. Accelerometer(s) are used to detect a decrease in forward momentum. When activated, an air cylinder pushes forward an arm to apply pressure to the toad’s brakes. Based on rate of deceleration, software determines how much pressure, up to a user-determined maximum, is used to apply the brakes.
Monitoring. Application of the toad’s brakes is signaled (radio) to the coach. The signal indicates that the toad’s brake light switch has been activated. Even Brake also monitors the toad’s battery. (See below.) The transmitter setup is permanent, in the sense that it is not removed to drive the toad.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: The sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. The amount of pressure applied to the toad’s brake pedal can be adjusted.
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independently from the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes.
Is proportional: This is somewhat different from that which is usually described as proportional. The proportionality is based on the rate of deceleration as opposed to the amount of pressure on the coach’s brake pedal. In addition, the user determines a threshold, which must be met before the toad’s brakes are applied. And, finally, the user determines the maximum amount of pressure. Maximum pressure is use for emergency stops.
Is not an invasive system.
System uses the toad’s electrical system. The Even Brake monitors the toad’s battery and will transmit a signal to a monitor in the motorhome to indicate a low battery condition. If the battery’s voltage drops “too low,” the Even Brake cuts power to itself and retains only emergency braking function.
Installation is not permanent. The unit must be removed before the toad can be driven. Although the installation and removal is a simple process, the unit must be stored somewhere while the toad is being driven.
Has a breakaway system.
Website: Even Brake
Phone: 1-800-669-9690
Warranty: One year – The warranty is extended to two years if Roadmaster receives the product registration card within 20 days of purchase.
M & G Tow Brake
Pressure applied to the coach’s brake pedal causes a proportional amount of pressure to be applied to the toad’s brakes. Air pressure is transmitted from the coach to an air-over-hydraulic cylinder inserted between the toad’s vacuum booster and master cylinder. The air pressure can come from the coach’s airbrake system or, in the event that the coach has a hydraulic brake system, from a compressor attached to the coach. (I’ll describe this process later.) Note: The toad must have power brakes and some vehicles with a certain type of antilock brakes cannot be fitted with this system. Contact the company to determine if your toad can be fitted.
Monitoring: An optional, wireless alert system based on Blue Ox's alert system is available. The alert uses a pressure switch attached to the the M&G air cylindar to detect when the toad's brakes are applied. It transmit a signal to a receiver in the coach.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: None
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independent of the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes. Note: This is rather meaningless. The M & G tow brake is its own power brakes. No pressure is applied to the toad’s brake pedal or brake arm.
Is proportional
Is invasive. A T-connector is inserted into the coach’s existing air system at a rear relay valve (for RV’s with airbrakes) or a T-connector is inserted into the coach’s hydraulic lines (for RV’s with hydraulic brakes). In addition, an air cylinder is inserted between the toad’s vacuum booster and master cylinder.
Doesn’t use toad’s electrical system.
Permanent Installation (as described above). In addition, for coaches with hydraulic brakes, a tray consisting of an air compressor, air storage tank, pressure switch, and proportioning valve is secured to the coach’s frame or cross member. The coach’s hydraulic system is connected to the proportioning valve by inserting a T-connector between the flexible brake line and the steel line. An air hose is routed from the proportioning valve to the rear of the coach. For RV’s with airbrakes, an air hose is routed from a rear relay valve to the rear of the coach.
Has a breakaway system which is purchased and installed separately. The breakaway system requires the installation of an air tank, diverter valve and trip switch on the toad. The air tank is pressurized at the start of each day’s drive by fully applying the coach’s brakes for one minute.
Website: m-gengineering.com
Phone: 1-800-817-7698
Warranty: M&G Engineering warrants its product to be free from defective material and workmanship for a LIFETIME of service to the original purchaser on the M&G brake cylinder only. The hydraulic control valve carries a three year warranty. Any electrical components (compressor, switch, valve, etc.) carry a one year warranty.
ReadyBrake
Surge system. A hydraulic system on the slide receiver uses a cable to pull on the arm of the toad’s brake pedal. A factory set threshold is used to prevent application of the toad’s brakes on minor pressure against the slide form the toad.
Monitoring. Application of toad’s brakes is signaled to the coach. There are two options to choose from. Their older system uses a wire from the toad to the RV; their newer version is wireless. The alert systems are wired to the cold side of the toad's brake light switch.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None.
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: None
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independently from the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes.
Is proportional.
Is not an invasive system, but requires the installation of a pulley on the toad’s firewall.
System does not use the toad’s electrical system.
Installation is permanent.
Has a breakaway system.
Website: readybrake.com
Phone: 1-800-933-3372
Warranty: One year
SMI
SMI makes four supplementary brake systems: SilentPartner, FourWire, PlugAndPlay, and Stay-IN-Play. Describing the systems is more complex than that because a Stay-IN-Play variation can be applied to the SilentPartner and FourWire systems. I will try to get the pertinent points across in the review.
Deceleration system (combined with coach brakes). A mercury switch, located in the coach (SilentPartner and FourWire) or in the toad (PlugAndPlay and Stay-IN-Play), is used to detect a decrease in forward momentum. (Note: the SilentPartner may use accelerometers instead of a mercury switch.) In addition to a decrease in forward momentum, the coach’s brake lights must be on (from pressing the coach’s brake pedal). When activated, a vacuum operated arm applies pressure to the brake pedal arm. The vacuum system also is applied to the toad’s power (vacuum) assist unit. The Stay-IN-Play system uses a vacuum cylinder ‘permanently’ attached to the brake arm. It is this part of the system that can be used by the SilentPartner and FourWire systems and eliminates the need to store the vacuum arm before driving the toad.
Monitoring. Application of toad’s brakes is signaled (radio – except FourWire system which uses wires between coach and toad) to the coach. The signal indicates that toad's brake light switch has been activated.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: With the SilentPartner and FourWire systems, the sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. The amount of braking cannot be adjusted in the coach. With the SilentPartner, you can select between ‘Latched’ and ‘Real-Time’ modes. The toad’s brakes are applied the same in both modes. In ‘Latched’ mode, the toad’s brakes stay on "as long as the coach's brakes are on, regardless of the inertia." When in ‘Real-Time’ mode, the toad’s brakes are released when the forward momentum is sufficiently reduced.
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: With the PlugAndPlay system, the sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. The amount of braking can be adjusted for all four units.
The toad’s brakes can be applied independent of the coach’s brakes. (SilentPartner and FourWire systems only)
All systems use the toad’s power (vacuum) assisted brakes.
Is not proportional. Note 1: A misconception exists that if a system uses the toad’s vacuum system, then it must be proportional. That is not necessarily true. With the SMI systems, a fixed amount of vacuum is used; the amount of braking is constant. Note 2: With the Stay-IN-Play variation, the brakes in the towed vehicle are applied progressively harder in a panic stop. The longer you are in the panic, the harder the towed vehicle brakes are applied
All four systems are invasive. A T-connector and check valve are inserted into the toad’s vacuum system
Uses the toad’s electrical system.
The connection to the toad’s vacuum system is permanently installed. Without the Stay-IN-Play variation, part of the systems must be removed and stored before driving the toad.
Has a breakaway system.
Website: smibrake.com
Phone: 1-800-893-3763
Warranty: Five years (1st year company pays freight both ways. Years 2 and 3, customer pays inbound freight. Years 4 and 5, customer pays freight both ways and the company reserves the right to charge for labor only, depending on signs of abuse (part are still covered, regardless).
US Gear Unified Tow Brake
Deceleration system (combined with coach brakes). Actually, I’m not sure whether it is the motor home’s brake light switch or accelerometers detecting a decrease in forward momentum that triggers the application of the toad’s brakes. In either event, both are involved. When triggered, accelerometers and software in the coach are used to determine how much pressure should be applied to the toad’s brakes. The actual application of the toad’s brakes is affected with a push/pull cable driven by an electric solenoid. The system also uses a vacuum pump to enable the toad’s power (vacuum) assist system.
Monitoring. Application of the toad’s brakes is signaled (wire umbilical cord between motor home and toad) to the coach. The signal originates from a small power module in the toad.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: The braking force of the toad’s brakes relative to that of the motor home’s brakes can be adjusted.
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: 'Tweaking' of the solenoid is done when the system is first installed.
The toad’s brakes can be applied independent of the coach’s brakes.
Uses the toad’s power (vacuum) assist system.
Is proportional. Note: The proportionality is to the deceleration rate of the coach instead of the pressure on the coach's brake pedal.
Is invasive. A T-connector and check valve are inserted into the toad’s vacuum system
Uses the toad’s electrical system. The toad's battery is charged by the coach's alternator using a line in the wire umbilical cord between the coach and the toad.
Permanent installation. A vacuum pump is mounted in the toad’s engine compartment. A T-connector and a check valve are installed in the toad’s vacuum line. A pulley is attached to the inside firewall. A solenoid is mounted inside the toad.
Has a breakaway system.
Website: usgear
Phone: 1-800-874-3271
Warranty: One year
VIP Tow Brakes
Deceleration System (combined with coach brakes). A mercury switch, located in the coach, is used to detect a decrease in forward momentum. In addition to a decrease in forward momentum, the coach’s brake light must be on (from pressing the pedal). When activated, a high-speed electric actuator applies pressure to the toad’s brake pedal arm.
Monitoring: Application of the toad’s brakes is signaled (wire between coach and toad) to the coach.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: The sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. Automatic braking can be turned off.
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: The amount of force applied to the toad’s brake pedal arm is set with a pressure regulator on the actuator assembly.
The toad’s brakes can be applied independent of the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of brakes.
Is not proportional.
Is not invasive.
Uses the toad’s electrical system. The toad’s battery receives a trickle charge from the coach’s electrical system.
Installation is not permanent (as I have defined permanent). A bracket is mounted to the floorboard of the toad and to the brake pedal arm. The actuator is connected between these two brackets when towing. The actuator must be removed and stored from driving. The process involves removing a couple of pins. In addition, there is a one-time wiring installation. The controller in the coach and the actuator communicate through a wire – wire form front of coach to rear, a wire from the actuator to front of toad, and a jumper between them when towing.
Has a breakaway system.
Website: VIP Tow Brake
Phone: 1-800-422-4663 ext 847 (message for callback)
Direct: 734-516-2056
Warranty: Ten years
Corrections and suggestions are solicited, especially from those who use these system. It is not easy to extract this information from the Internet!
Tom
- 1/1/06:
Roadmaster has stopped making BrakePro and replaced it with a revised system that it calls Even Brake. A DRAFT review of the Even Brake System has been added. Like the other reviews, if you have a correction or addition, please post it in this thread or send me a PM
- 2/22/06:
An update to the M&G review - New optional alert system, new warranty.
- 8/07/06:
Added comments about BrakeBuddy's new system 'Vantage.'
Choosing an auxiliary brake system for our toads seems to be almost as challenging as choosing our RV’s. I hope to write a post that provides useful information about the different braking systems that are available. I do not intend for this thread to advocate for or against any system – I want it to just provide information.
To be useful, the information needs to be accurate. I have personal information about only two systems. All of the other information comes from the Internet. I would like for those who use a particular system to correct errors or provide additional information so that an accurate, final post can be made to serve the members of the forum. Again, please, I do not want this thread to be an advocating thread.
I will attempt to classify the braking systems based on the mechanism or process that triggers activation of the toad’s brakes. At present, I think this can be done with one of the following three categories.
- Surge
A slide receiver is used for the tow bar. As the motor home slows down, the toad pushes on the slide receiver. - Deceleration
The toad (or motor home) slows down faster than some predetermined value. A mercury switch, pendulum system, or accelerometers are used to detect the deceleration. Some of these systems require that the motor home’s brake pedal to be depressed also. - Pressure applied to motor home’s brake.
Since different manufactures use different meanings for some of the important terminology, here are the definitions that I will use in this report.
Proportional: The toad’s brakes are applied in proportion to the pressure on the coach’s brake pedal.
Invasive: Installation of the system requires insertion of a connector in the toad’s (or coach’s) vacuum line, hydraulic line, or air lines (coaches with air brakes.) Invasive will not be used to describe mounting of vacuum pumps, air cylinders or cables.
Permanent installation: One does not have to remove devices from the toad before driving the toad. Although this does not mean that one cannot move the system to another toad; it does imply more than a casual amount of effort. Conversely, a non-permanent installation implies that part of the system must be removed prior to driving the toad. Non-permanent also implies that the system can be easily moved to another toad.
Apollo By Blue Ox
(See BrakeBuddy for a similar system)
Deceleration system. Accelerometers are used to detect a decrease in forward momentum. When triggered, an air cylinder extends an arm to apply pressure to the toad’s brake pedal.
Monitoring. Application of the toad’s brakes is signaled (radio) to the coach. The signal indicates the toad’s brake light switch has been activated. The transmitter is wired to the cold side of the brake light switch. The transmitter setup is permanent, in the sense that it is not removed to drive the toad. The transmitter requires a 12-volt DC connector. Since the base unit requires a 12-volt DC connector, the combined systems require two.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: The sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. The amount of pressure applied to the toad’s brake pedal can be adjusted.
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independently from the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes.
Is not proportional
Is not an invasive system.
System uses the toad’s electrical system. The unit is plugged into the 12-volt DC adapter. Note: The alert system also requires a 12-volt connector.
Installation is not permanent. The unit must be removed before the toad can be driven. Although the installation and removal is a simple process, the unit must be stored somewhere while the toad is being driven.
Has a breakaway system
Website: Blue Ox Apollo Brake System
Phone: 1-888-425-5382
Warranty: Five years
BrakeBuddy
(See Apollo for a similar system)
BrakeBuddy has come out with an updated version which they call 'Vantage.' Since I'm on the road now, I will have to wait until I return home later in August to fully investigate the new system. Here is a link to BrakeBuddy's Vantage page.
At first glance, here is a summary of changes: 1) The abiltity to change the Sensitivity settings "on-the-fly" from the coach. 2) A digital pressure guage that allows for more precise pressure settings. 3) Automatic setup feature.
The flyer mentioned above appears to misuse the work 'sensitvity' in the lower righ-hand corner. There it describe it as adjusting the braking force. 'Sensitivity' is used to adjust how quickly the system will activate. I believ member GotSalt has the new system. Give him a PM if you have a question.
I will make a full report after I return home and can contact the company.
Deceleration system. Accelerometers are used to detect a decrease in forward momentum. When triggered, an air cylinder pushes forward an arm to apply pressure to the toad’s brake pedal.
Monitoring. Application of toad’s brakes is signaled (radio) to the coach. The signal is based on whether or not the air cylinder's arm is extended.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: The sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. The amount of pressure applied to the toad’s brake pedal can be adjusted.
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independently from the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes.
Is not proportional
Is not an invasive system.
System uses the toad’s electrical system. The unit is plugged into the 12-volt DC adapter.
Installation is not permanent. The unit must be removed before the toad can be driven. Although the installation and removal is a simple process, the unit must be stored somewhere while the toad is being driven.
Has a breakaway system.
Website: brakebuddy.com
Phone: 1-800-470-2287
Warranty: 30-day money back guarantee. 3-year warranty
BrakeMaster 9000 & 9100 Series by RoadMaster
Pressure applied to the coach’s brake pedal causes a proportional amount of pressure to be applied to the toad’s brakes. Air pressure is transmitted from the coach to an air cylinder that is non-permanently mounted in front of the driver’s seat. The air pressure can come from the coach’s airbrake system or, in the case the coach has a hydraulic brakes, from a compressor mounted in the coach. (See below) Note: The toad must have power brakes to use the standard BrakeMaster systems. An optional pressure regulator can be purchased to adapt a non-power brake toad.
Monitoring: Application of the toad’s brakes is signaled (wire umbilical cord) to the coach. The signal indicates that the toad’s brake light switch has been activated.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None
Adjustments to the system form within the toad: None
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independent of the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes.
Is proportional
Is invasive: 9000 Series: A hydraulic line must be run from the proportioning valve and tap into the coach’s hydraulic system at one of several possible locations.
9100 Series: For coaches with air brakes, a port on a relay valve near the rear axle is used to tap into the coach’s air brakes. For coaches with air-over-hydraulic systems, a port in the air booster near the coach’s front axle is used to tap into the air system.
Uses the toad’s electrical system. (Looking at the wiring diagrams, it appears that the toad’s battery could receive a charge from the motor home. That is not listed as a feature, Can anyone shed a light on this?)
Is not permanent in the sense defined for this review. An air cylinder must be attached between a mounting post and the toad’s brake pedal. The mounting post is affixed to a circular base plate that is bolted to the floor through hole drilled through the floor panel immediately in front of the driver’s seat when in its furthest back position. Seat adapter brackets are available for some vehicles. The seat adapter replaces the floor base plate and is secured by the seat channel bolts. In addition, the 9000 series requires the installation of an air compressor on the coach in “clean, dry place.” A storage bay is recommended. Also, a proportioning valve must be mounted on the chassis.
Has a breakaway system that requires the mounting of an air tank (usually under the hood). The air tank should be drained regularly to prevent moisture buildup.
Website: RoadMasterInc.com (Scroll down the page to Braking Systems or use the Products menu.)
Phone:1-800-669-9690
Warranty: One year
BrakePro by Roadmaster
Roadmaster has stopped manufacturing BrakePro is now producing a similar system, Even Brake. A review of the Even Brake system can be found alphabetically below. Since BrakePro can still be purchased at discount prices, this review will remain for awhile.
Deceleration system. Accelerometer(s) are used to detect a decrease in forward momentum. When activated, an air cylinder pushes forward an arm to apply pressure to the toad’s brakes. Based on rate of deceleration, software determines how much pressure, up to a user determined maximum, is used to apply the brakes.
Monitoring. Application of the toad’s brakes is signaled (radio) to the coach. The signal is base on whether or not the cylinder’s arm is extended.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: The sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. The amount of pressure applied to the toad’s brake pedal can be adjusted.
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independently from the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes.
Is proportional: This is somewhat different from that which is usually described as proportional. The proportionality is based on the rate of deceleration as opposed to the amount of pressure on the coach’s brake pedal. In addition, the user determines a threshold, which must be met before the toad’s brakes are applied. And, finally, the user determines the maximum amount of pressure.
Is not an invasive system.
System uses the toad’s electrical system. Note: A 20-amp DC connector is required. Not all cars provide such a connector; many have only 15-amp connectors. Roadmaster sells a battery-direct 20-amp DC connector that is easy to install.
Installation is not permanent. The unit must be removed before the toad can be driven. Although the installation and removal is a simple process, the unit must be stored somewhere while the toad is being driven.
Has a breakaway system
Website: No longer exists.
Phone: 1-800-669-9690
Warranty: One year
Even Brake by Roadmaster –
DRAFT
Deceleration system. Accelerometer(s) are used to detect a decrease in forward momentum. When activated, an air cylinder pushes forward an arm to apply pressure to the toad’s brakes. Based on rate of deceleration, software determines how much pressure, up to a user-determined maximum, is used to apply the brakes.
Monitoring. Application of the toad’s brakes is signaled (radio) to the coach. The signal indicates that the toad’s brake light switch has been activated. Even Brake also monitors the toad’s battery. (See below.) The transmitter setup is permanent, in the sense that it is not removed to drive the toad.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: The sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. The amount of pressure applied to the toad’s brake pedal can be adjusted.
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independently from the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes.
Is proportional: This is somewhat different from that which is usually described as proportional. The proportionality is based on the rate of deceleration as opposed to the amount of pressure on the coach’s brake pedal. In addition, the user determines a threshold, which must be met before the toad’s brakes are applied. And, finally, the user determines the maximum amount of pressure. Maximum pressure is use for emergency stops.
Is not an invasive system.
System uses the toad’s electrical system. The Even Brake monitors the toad’s battery and will transmit a signal to a monitor in the motorhome to indicate a low battery condition. If the battery’s voltage drops “too low,” the Even Brake cuts power to itself and retains only emergency braking function.
Installation is not permanent. The unit must be removed before the toad can be driven. Although the installation and removal is a simple process, the unit must be stored somewhere while the toad is being driven.
Has a breakaway system.
Website: Even Brake
Phone: 1-800-669-9690
Warranty: One year – The warranty is extended to two years if Roadmaster receives the product registration card within 20 days of purchase.
M & G Tow Brake
Update 2/22/06: Now has an optional wireless alert system and a new warranty.
Pressure applied to the coach’s brake pedal causes a proportional amount of pressure to be applied to the toad’s brakes. Air pressure is transmitted from the coach to an air-over-hydraulic cylinder inserted between the toad’s vacuum booster and master cylinder. The air pressure can come from the coach’s airbrake system or, in the event that the coach has a hydraulic brake system, from a compressor attached to the coach. (I’ll describe this process later.) Note: The toad must have power brakes and some vehicles with a certain type of antilock brakes cannot be fitted with this system. Contact the company to determine if your toad can be fitted.
Monitoring: An optional, wireless alert system based on Blue Ox's alert system is available. The alert uses a pressure switch attached to the the M&G air cylindar to detect when the toad's brakes are applied. It transmit a signal to a receiver in the coach.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: None
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independent of the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes. Note: This is rather meaningless. The M & G tow brake is its own power brakes. No pressure is applied to the toad’s brake pedal or brake arm.
Is proportional
Is invasive. A T-connector is inserted into the coach’s existing air system at a rear relay valve (for RV’s with airbrakes) or a T-connector is inserted into the coach’s hydraulic lines (for RV’s with hydraulic brakes). In addition, an air cylinder is inserted between the toad’s vacuum booster and master cylinder.
Doesn’t use toad’s electrical system.
Permanent Installation (as described above). In addition, for coaches with hydraulic brakes, a tray consisting of an air compressor, air storage tank, pressure switch, and proportioning valve is secured to the coach’s frame or cross member. The coach’s hydraulic system is connected to the proportioning valve by inserting a T-connector between the flexible brake line and the steel line. An air hose is routed from the proportioning valve to the rear of the coach. For RV’s with airbrakes, an air hose is routed from a rear relay valve to the rear of the coach.
Has a breakaway system which is purchased and installed separately. The breakaway system requires the installation of an air tank, diverter valve and trip switch on the toad. The air tank is pressurized at the start of each day’s drive by fully applying the coach’s brakes for one minute.
Website: m-gengineering.com
Phone: 1-800-817-7698
Warranty: M&G Engineering warrants its product to be free from defective material and workmanship for a LIFETIME of service to the original purchaser on the M&G brake cylinder only. The hydraulic control valve carries a three year warranty. Any electrical components (compressor, switch, valve, etc.) carry a one year warranty.
ReadyBrake
Surge system. A hydraulic system on the slide receiver uses a cable to pull on the arm of the toad’s brake pedal. A factory set threshold is used to prevent application of the toad’s brakes on minor pressure against the slide form the toad.
Monitoring. Application of toad’s brakes is signaled to the coach. There are two options to choose from. Their older system uses a wire from the toad to the RV; their newer version is wireless. The alert systems are wired to the cold side of the toad's brake light switch.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: None.
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: None
The toad’s brakes cannot be applied independently from the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of its brakes.
Is proportional.
Is not an invasive system, but requires the installation of a pulley on the toad’s firewall.
System does not use the toad’s electrical system.
Installation is permanent.
Has a breakaway system.
Website: readybrake.com
Phone: 1-800-933-3372
Warranty: One year
SMI
SMI makes four supplementary brake systems: SilentPartner, FourWire, PlugAndPlay, and Stay-IN-Play. Describing the systems is more complex than that because a Stay-IN-Play variation can be applied to the SilentPartner and FourWire systems. I will try to get the pertinent points across in the review.
Deceleration system (combined with coach brakes). A mercury switch, located in the coach (SilentPartner and FourWire) or in the toad (PlugAndPlay and Stay-IN-Play), is used to detect a decrease in forward momentum. (Note: the SilentPartner may use accelerometers instead of a mercury switch.) In addition to a decrease in forward momentum, the coach’s brake lights must be on (from pressing the coach’s brake pedal). When activated, a vacuum operated arm applies pressure to the brake pedal arm. The vacuum system also is applied to the toad’s power (vacuum) assist unit. The Stay-IN-Play system uses a vacuum cylinder ‘permanently’ attached to the brake arm. It is this part of the system that can be used by the SilentPartner and FourWire systems and eliminates the need to store the vacuum arm before driving the toad.
Monitoring. Application of toad’s brakes is signaled (radio – except FourWire system which uses wires between coach and toad) to the coach. The signal indicates that toad's brake light switch has been activated.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: With the SilentPartner and FourWire systems, the sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. The amount of braking cannot be adjusted in the coach. With the SilentPartner, you can select between ‘Latched’ and ‘Real-Time’ modes. The toad’s brakes are applied the same in both modes. In ‘Latched’ mode, the toad’s brakes stay on "as long as the coach's brakes are on, regardless of the inertia." When in ‘Real-Time’ mode, the toad’s brakes are released when the forward momentum is sufficiently reduced.
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: With the PlugAndPlay system, the sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. The amount of braking can be adjusted for all four units.
The toad’s brakes can be applied independent of the coach’s brakes. (SilentPartner and FourWire systems only)
All systems use the toad’s power (vacuum) assisted brakes.
Is not proportional. Note 1: A misconception exists that if a system uses the toad’s vacuum system, then it must be proportional. That is not necessarily true. With the SMI systems, a fixed amount of vacuum is used; the amount of braking is constant. Note 2: With the Stay-IN-Play variation, the brakes in the towed vehicle are applied progressively harder in a panic stop. The longer you are in the panic, the harder the towed vehicle brakes are applied
All four systems are invasive. A T-connector and check valve are inserted into the toad’s vacuum system
Uses the toad’s electrical system.
The connection to the toad’s vacuum system is permanently installed. Without the Stay-IN-Play variation, part of the systems must be removed and stored before driving the toad.
Has a breakaway system.
Website: smibrake.com
Phone: 1-800-893-3763
Warranty: Five years (1st year company pays freight both ways. Years 2 and 3, customer pays inbound freight. Years 4 and 5, customer pays freight both ways and the company reserves the right to charge for labor only, depending on signs of abuse (part are still covered, regardless).
US Gear Unified Tow Brake
Deceleration system (combined with coach brakes). Actually, I’m not sure whether it is the motor home’s brake light switch or accelerometers detecting a decrease in forward momentum that triggers the application of the toad’s brakes. In either event, both are involved. When triggered, accelerometers and software in the coach are used to determine how much pressure should be applied to the toad’s brakes. The actual application of the toad’s brakes is affected with a push/pull cable driven by an electric solenoid. The system also uses a vacuum pump to enable the toad’s power (vacuum) assist system.
Monitoring. Application of the toad’s brakes is signaled (wire umbilical cord between motor home and toad) to the coach. The signal originates from a small power module in the toad.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: The braking force of the toad’s brakes relative to that of the motor home’s brakes can be adjusted.
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: 'Tweaking' of the solenoid is done when the system is first installed.
The toad’s brakes can be applied independent of the coach’s brakes.
Uses the toad’s power (vacuum) assist system.
Is proportional. Note: The proportionality is to the deceleration rate of the coach instead of the pressure on the coach's brake pedal.
Is invasive. A T-connector and check valve are inserted into the toad’s vacuum system
Uses the toad’s electrical system. The toad's battery is charged by the coach's alternator using a line in the wire umbilical cord between the coach and the toad.
Permanent installation. A vacuum pump is mounted in the toad’s engine compartment. A T-connector and a check valve are installed in the toad’s vacuum line. A pulley is attached to the inside firewall. A solenoid is mounted inside the toad.
Has a breakaway system.
Website: usgear
Phone: 1-800-874-3271
Warranty: One year
VIP Tow Brakes
Deceleration System (combined with coach brakes). A mercury switch, located in the coach, is used to detect a decrease in forward momentum. In addition to a decrease in forward momentum, the coach’s brake light must be on (from pressing the pedal). When activated, a high-speed electric actuator applies pressure to the toad’s brake pedal arm.
Monitoring: Application of the toad’s brakes is signaled (wire between coach and toad) to the coach.
Adjustments to the system from within the coach: The sensitivity – how quickly the coach must be stopping before the toad’s brakes are activated – can be adjusted. Automatic braking can be turned off.
Adjustments to the system from within the toad: The amount of force applied to the toad’s brake pedal arm is set with a pressure regulator on the actuator assembly.
The toad’s brakes can be applied independent of the coach’s brakes.
Does not use the toad’s power (vacuum) assist to aid in the application of brakes.
Is not proportional.
Is not invasive.
Uses the toad’s electrical system. The toad’s battery receives a trickle charge from the coach’s electrical system.
Installation is not permanent (as I have defined permanent). A bracket is mounted to the floorboard of the toad and to the brake pedal arm. The actuator is connected between these two brackets when towing. The actuator must be removed and stored from driving. The process involves removing a couple of pins. In addition, there is a one-time wiring installation. The controller in the coach and the actuator communicate through a wire – wire form front of coach to rear, a wire from the actuator to front of toad, and a jumper between them when towing.
Has a breakaway system.
Website: VIP Tow Brake
Phone: 1-800-422-4663 ext 847 (message for callback)
Direct: 734-516-2056
Warranty: Ten years
Corrections and suggestions are solicited, especially from those who use these system. It is not easy to extract this information from the Internet!
Tom
2015 Meridian 36M
2006 CR-V toad
3 golden retrievers (Breeze, Jinks, Razz)
1 border collie (Boogie)
2006 CR-V toad
3 golden retrievers (Breeze, Jinks, Razz)
1 border collie (Boogie)
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Oct-19-2006 03:02 PM
I have installed a unified tow brake system i a 98 exploer. its not as easy as they show you on the dvd. I think the unit works well it is adjustable, and it is supplying vacuum for power brakes. The next step or upgrade would to be able to power up the ABS system in the vehicle. I am working on this now. except for the poor dvd i think is the way to go on tow car
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Oct-06-2006 08:21 PM
I had the M&G system installed at a dealer listed on M&G's web site in Riverdale, GA. I was there about 4 hours with Motor home and Suburban. It took one man about 20 minutes to put on the motor home part and another about 3 hours to do the Suburban. I did have the break away option installed. I have traveled about 1500 miles with the system and it is working perfect. No brake lines were disconnected during installation on the Suburban. Cost about the same as a Brake Buddy ($1100 with tax and install) and is so much easier traveling without the box in the floor. It takes about 3 seconds to hook up or disconnect.
I had a Brake Buddy for three years and it worked OK but was such a hassle to put in and take out. It also rattled when you put it in the back of the Suburban when not using.
I was unhooked from the motorhome for 4 days and decided to pull the break away pin on the Suburban to see if the air had leaked out of the M&G system. To my surprise the brakes applied on the Suburban.
I think I am going to love the system after having 4 different systems over the years nothing compares to the M&G after only 1500 miles. Hope I feel the same after 50,000 miles.
I had a Brake Buddy for three years and it worked OK but was such a hassle to put in and take out. It also rattled when you put it in the back of the Suburban when not using.
I was unhooked from the motorhome for 4 days and decided to pull the break away pin on the Suburban to see if the air had leaked out of the M&G system. To my surprise the brakes applied on the Suburban.
I think I am going to love the system after having 4 different systems over the years nothing compares to the M&G after only 1500 miles. Hope I feel the same after 50,000 miles.
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Sep-21-2006 04:26 PM
MAD4GOLF wrote:
Great Thread! Wish it was up and running when I was looking for a solution.
I ultimately settled on the M&G system. I was a design engineer for most of my career and I thought the M&G solution was simple and elegant (what every engineer wants from every design). I have had the system installed on a 1999 Lexus RX 300 which we use as a tow. It works perfectly every time, requires no adjustment, no put in/take out, is absolutly proportional (the factory matches spring rates for your vehicle), and significantly helps stop the MH. I would recommend this solution to everyone. Downside is that not all toads can be equipped due to space constraints under the hood.
Indeed the M&G system looks good 'till you have to deal with the "breakaway system". Did you add that?
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Sep-15-2006 08:42 AM
Thanks!! I will check it out!
LKB
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Pilot: Lynn Brooks, Co-pilot: Henry, Navigator: Lady :B
40" Bounder TD
Lebanon, Ohio
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Lebanon, Ohio
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Sep-15-2006 08:34 AM
onthecoach wrote:
HI Mad4Golf!
Thanks for the info...where can I see this M&G system online? Do I need a specialist for installation? What is the cost?
Thanks! 🙂
Here is a link to the M&G website: M&G Engineering
Tom
2015 Meridian 36M
2006 CR-V toad
3 golden retrievers (Breeze, Jinks, Razz)
1 border collie (Boogie)
2006 CR-V toad
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1 border collie (Boogie)
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Sep-15-2006 07:51 AM
HI Mad4Golf!
Thanks for the info...where can I see this M&G system online? Do I need a specialist for installation? What is the cost?
Thanks! 🙂
Thanks for the info...where can I see this M&G system online? Do I need a specialist for installation? What is the cost?
Thanks! 🙂
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40" Bounder TD
Lebanon, Ohio
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Lebanon, Ohio
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Sep-15-2006 07:42 AM
Great Thread! Wish it was up and running when I was looking for a solution.
I ultimately settled on the M&G system. I was a design engineer for most of my career and I thought the M&G solution was simple and elegant (what every engineer wants from every design). I have had the system installed on a 1999 Lexus RX 300 which we use as a tow. It works perfectly every time, requires no adjustment, no put in/take out, is absolutly proportional (the factory matches spring rates for your vehicle), and significantly helps stop the MH. I would recommend this solution to everyone. Downside is that not all toads can be equipped due to space constraints under the hood.
I ultimately settled on the M&G system. I was a design engineer for most of my career and I thought the M&G solution was simple and elegant (what every engineer wants from every design). I have had the system installed on a 1999 Lexus RX 300 which we use as a tow. It works perfectly every time, requires no adjustment, no put in/take out, is absolutly proportional (the factory matches spring rates for your vehicle), and significantly helps stop the MH. I would recommend this solution to everyone. Downside is that not all toads can be equipped due to space constraints under the hood.
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Sep-04-2006 01:42 PM
mfa wrote:
Please excuse the newbie question --
Are these braking systems (such as EvenBrake) just for towing with all four wheels down or are they also used when using a dolly? (Recognizing that they would only be applying brakes to the toad's rear wheels in that case, of course.)
Tow dolly's usually have their own electric brakes so the need for the additional system is not there as opposed to it being needed when the vehicle is towed with all 4 wheels down. If the tow dolly does not have brakes they should be added to the dolly.
P.S. Though this is a very informative thread read often by new members directed to it, few of the older members regularly monitor it much anymore. Therefore it is more suited for the information it contains than for the posting of new questions. I'd use a new thread in the future when asking questions. :W
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Towing a 1994 Mazda B4000 with a
Remco Drive Shaft Disconect and
a Demco Aluminator Tow Bar
with a Brake Buddy Vantage
(Looking for my lost shaker of salt)
Towing a 1994 Mazda B4000 with a
Remco Drive Shaft Disconect and
a Demco Aluminator Tow Bar
with a Brake Buddy Vantage
(Looking for my lost shaker of salt)
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Sep-04-2006 11:05 AM
Please excuse the newbie question --
Are these braking systems (such as EvenBrake) just for towing with all four wheels down or are they also used when using a dolly? (Recognizing that they would only be applying brakes to the toad's rear wheels in that case, of course.)
Are these braking systems (such as EvenBrake) just for towing with all four wheels down or are they also used when using a dolly? (Recognizing that they would only be applying brakes to the toad's rear wheels in that case, of course.)
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Aug-28-2006 06:15 PM
onthecoach,
As to your first question, Generally ABS systems play no role in the decision. ABS systems are active only when the engine of the toad is on. As I recall, the M & G Tow Brake has an installation problem with a certain type of ABS system. The M & G system also requires that the toad have power brakes.
A suggestion, start a new thread with your questions. This particular thread doesn't get monitored by the regulars in Dinghy Towing.
Tom
As to your first question, Generally ABS systems play no role in the decision. ABS systems are active only when the engine of the toad is on. As I recall, the M & G Tow Brake has an installation problem with a certain type of ABS system. The M & G system also requires that the toad have power brakes.
A suggestion, start a new thread with your questions. This particular thread doesn't get monitored by the regulars in Dinghy Towing.
Tom
2015 Meridian 36M
2006 CR-V toad
3 golden retrievers (Breeze, Jinks, Razz)
1 border collie (Boogie)
2006 CR-V toad
3 golden retrievers (Breeze, Jinks, Razz)
1 border collie (Boogie)
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Aug-28-2006 03:32 PM
To Pulsar-
Thank you so much for doing this! I was just talking to DH about getting a supplemental brake system and now we have good basic info to study.
To All--
Questions:
1. Does it matter if the tow vehicle has ABS brakes?
2. Are there any other considerations that we should be aware of?
3. What about installation -- we are NOT do-it-yourselfers?
4. Is there any place, i.e.RV Shows? where we can see some or all of these devices in action?
I know I have a lot more questions, but I just don't know enough to know what to ask!..thanks for your help.
Thank you so much for doing this! I was just talking to DH about getting a supplemental brake system and now we have good basic info to study.
To All--
Questions:
1. Does it matter if the tow vehicle has ABS brakes?
2. Are there any other considerations that we should be aware of?
3. What about installation -- we are NOT do-it-yourselfers?
4. Is there any place, i.e.RV Shows? where we can see some or all of these devices in action?
I know I have a lot more questions, but I just don't know enough to know what to ask!..thanks for your help.
Pilot: Lynn Brooks, Co-pilot: Henry, Navigator: Lady :B
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Lebanon, Ohio
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Lebanon, Ohio
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Jul-20-2006 07:15 AM
I purchased the Night Shift Auto Ready Brake system about 3 years ago and love it. It works great i paid $442.00 but i noticed recently they dropped the price down to $290.00 and put a lifetime guarantee on the Ready Brake. There monitoring system hooks directly up to the brake pedal switch it is hardwired i mean it uses a wire that runs across your towbar and under your motorhome and hooks into the dashboard of the motorhome. I have never had any problems with it.
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Jul-05-2006 01:41 PM
Just installed the EvenBrake system in our 2003 Jeep Wrangler, the folks at Roadmaster were helpful with a question about the proper wire color code on the Jeep brake switch. The installation went without a problem and the system worked well with the settings on medium. Took a 400 mile round trip journey to SE OKlahoma with the Jeep in tow and everything worked as it should. Did not notice any loss of battery voltage after making a five hour return trip.
We are well pleased with the operation of the system and the ease to install and remove.
We are well pleased with the operation of the system and the ease to install and remove.
Austin & Sarah, the pineywoods of East Texas
2013 KZ Spree TT soon to be replaced
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Jun-23-2006 08:05 AM
I went with the Blue Ox base plate. It looks a lot nicer. It's almost invisible! I chose the Roadmaster Falcon All Terrain tow bar. It impressed me with the non-binding and stow features. It comes with the Blue Ox ears (dif. part #). It is a great pairing.
2006 Holiday Rambler Vacationer 34PDD DP 2 slides
2006 Honda C-RV toad
2006 Honda C-RV toad
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Jun-20-2006 12:02 PM
Ron wrote:
I changed the settings because I could feel the toad (06 Honda C-RV - 3400 lbs.)
Ron....did you have any problems equipping your CRV for towing.? I just purchased a 2006 CRV 2WD EX. I read somewhere online last night that there have been problems in equipping these for towing. Have you had any? What tow bar system are you using?
I currently have a 1996 Saturn SL1 that we have been towing since '03. No problems with it. Am now ready to upgrade.....
Thanks.....
Jeff Grossman
