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Sam sleeps soundly

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Bad Sam

Sam was not raised to protect poultry but he has been running the fox off the fields whenever he sees them. So we figured our 13 chickens would be safe just like the remaining 3 ducks, especially if they continue to stay in the barnyard during the day. We lock the chickens and ducks up at night. During the day Sam sleeps in the back of the barn off the barnyard. Today he slept through 2 chickens being taken from the barnyard and one dhocken being attacked in the barn 40' from where Sam sleeps.

Mark
Mark & Renee
Working Border Collies: Nell (retired), Tally (retired), Grant (semi retired), Lee, Fern & Hattie
Duke & Penny (Anatolians) home guarding the flock
2001 Chevy Express 2500 Cargo (rolling kennel)
2007 Nash 22M
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resmas wrote:
I can't verify the source, or even remember where I read it, but I recently read an article (and a forum thread) about that exact issue. It seems a small number of foreign LGD breeds ARE being imported for the sole purpose of dog fights, and not guarding livestock. I wish I could remember where the article/forum was...
Perhaps Boz Shepherds which are being promoted on multiple forums (by someing using the same user name on all forums). I've even a post asking what would be needed to hunt wild boar with this breed. I've also seen these dogs trying to be promoted as protection dogs.
Mark & Renee
Working Border Collies: Nell (retired), Tally (retired), Grant (semi retired), Lee, Fern & Hattie
Duke & Penny (Anatolians) home guarding the flock
2001 Chevy Express 2500 Cargo (rolling kennel)
2007 Nash 22M

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Dog Fighting

In other countries, dog-fighting is very common. They do use powerful breeds. Quail-fighting. It's hard to watch.

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Go Dogs wrote:
I enjoyed that article. However, I fear that if these testosterone-challenged 'Gangstas' read it, they would start importing these breeds for other reasons! :M


I can't verify the source, or even remember where I read it, but I recently read an article (and a forum thread) about that exact issue. It seems a small number of foreign LGD breeds ARE being imported for the sole purpose of dog fights, and not guarding livestock. I wish I could remember where the article/forum was...

What made me very suspicious that is was true were some of the photos of the dogs, both here and in the country they originated in. The photos and posts from the man here in the US were definitely NOT a farm environment. His dog yard looked like something you see on Animal Planet when they bust a dog fighting ring. It was definitely not how proper working LGD's are raised. Plus the guy looked like a jack*** with his clothes and bling - definitely not what I would picture as a "farmer".

The pictures of the foreign dogs were much the same. You could see "city" life going on in the background, and again, the guy handling and posing the dogs was just not right...
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There is an urban area that we have to frequent. Used to be short-cropped pits and Rotties with fancy studded, leather collars, etc. Now, we see more and more Neapolitan, and English Mastiffs. The bigger the dog, the bigger the ...... NOT!

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This is how pit bulls became a real problem. They were developed for dog aggression NOT people aggression for their "work" in the pit (handlers needed to be able to separate fighting dogs without getting bit). When the bulk of the breed was no longer bred for fighting (dog aggression) and care was not taken to maintain temperamentally well balanced pups, dogs are produced having aggression without the self-control.
Mark & Renee
Working Border Collies: Nell (retired), Tally (retired), Grant (semi retired), Lee, Fern & Hattie
Duke & Penny (Anatolians) home guarding the flock
2001 Chevy Express 2500 Cargo (rolling kennel)
2007 Nash 22M

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"Now you have temperamentally unstable dogs with a breed background of aggression to challenge wolves."

YIKES!

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I wouldn't worry about imported dogs; they would have likely been properly bred (aggressive to predators and not people). I would worry about the subsequent generations produced by people who are not breeding to the same working standard as the originators of the breed. Now you have temperamentally unstable dogs with a breed background of aggression to challenge wolves.
Mark & Renee
Working Border Collies: Nell (retired), Tally (retired), Grant (semi retired), Lee, Fern & Hattie
Duke & Penny (Anatolians) home guarding the flock
2001 Chevy Express 2500 Cargo (rolling kennel)
2007 Nash 22M

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I enjoyed that article. However, I fear that if these testosterone-challenged 'Gangstas' read it, they would start importing these breeds for other reasons! :M

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For those who don't think LGDs can work against coyotes, here is a review article on the use of LGDs againts wolves and bears.

The Use of Livestock Protection Dogs in Association with Large Carnivores in the Rocky Mountains
Mark & Renee
Working Border Collies: Nell (retired), Tally (retired), Grant (semi retired), Lee, Fern & Hattie
Duke & Penny (Anatolians) home guarding the flock
2001 Chevy Express 2500 Cargo (rolling kennel)
2007 Nash 22M

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Sam has been corrected several times over the last few days for looking at the chickens.
Mark & Renee
Working Border Collies: Nell (retired), Tally (retired), Grant (semi retired), Lee, Fern & Hattie
Duke & Penny (Anatolians) home guarding the flock
2001 Chevy Express 2500 Cargo (rolling kennel)
2007 Nash 22M

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And another...

Anatolians help save cheetahs

The Houston Zoo actually has an Anatolian in WITH the cheetah exhibit, as a companion. Or so the plaque at the exhibit says, we never saw the cheetah or the LGD...
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Great Pyrenees Stops Coyote Attacks on Washington Co PA Sheep Farm.
Guard Llama on PA Sheep Farm

This is an interesting website
Succeeding with Livestock Guardian Dogs
Mark & Renee
Working Border Collies: Nell (retired), Tally (retired), Grant (semi retired), Lee, Fern & Hattie
Duke & Penny (Anatolians) home guarding the flock
2001 Chevy Express 2500 Cargo (rolling kennel)
2007 Nash 22M

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Rut-roe! Bad, dog, Sam!
I'm wondering if a setup like a "snake break" would work. Obviously with chickens in place of rattlesnakes!
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Oh, Oh!