200 amp-hour Li $799

[pianotuna]

Hi li lovers!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088RM4W48/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_apa_glt_fabc_GRTFJYCT6Z7D1BYHQ4PP?_encoding=UTF8...

[StirCrazy]

3 tons wrote:
Because of the weight difference, my WAG is that one has pouch cells and the other cylindrical…Either way, for my moola I’d avoid the 100a version.

3 tons

I havent seen one of these batteries being a "pouch" build yet, but who knows. I would just suspect it is the case material, maybe plastic cased Prismatic vs Alumium cased, maybe prismatic in one and cylindrical in the other. I would be realy suprised to see the pouch format being used as they are so suseptable to issues.

Steve

[otrfun]

afidel wrote:
So reading their reviews the BMS is a complete PoS. No low voltage cutoff, no low temp charge protection, etc. If you're going to monitor it closely or have a smart system upstream that can monitor and protect it then go for it, but as a throw it on the tongue and forget about it solution it's a complete fail, you'll most likely end up roaching the cells about as fast as a lead acid for 3x the cost.

Good point. Many of these budget LifePo4’s use sub-par BMS’s with terrible (sometimes non-existent) protection parameters and undersized internal cabling. Not so obvious is the probable use of lower grade cells.

[otrfun]

pianotuna wrote:

2oldman wrote:

otrfun wrote:
This particular $799 200ah Ampere Time LifePo4 is only capable of producing 100a of continuous current. If you have plans to power a microwave or similar device, you may come up a bit short.

Oops.

Strange as the advert suggests 280amp Max.

Yes, 280a. But, for only 5 seconds.

[afidel]

So reading their reviews the BMS is a complete PoS. No low voltage cutoff, no low temp charge protection, etc. If you're going to monitor it closely or have a smart system upstream that can monitor and protect it then go for it, but as a throw it on the tongue and forget about it solution it's a complete fail, you'll most likely end up roaching the cells about as fast as a lead acid for 3x the cost.

[pianotuna]

2oldman wrote:

otrfun wrote:
This particular $799 200ah Ampere Time LifePo4 is only capable of producing 100a of continuous current. If you have plans to power a microwave or similar device, you may come up a bit short.

Oops.

Strange as the advert suggests 280amp Max.

[EMD360]

That is what I paid for 105 ah LION batteries at Costco. They have 150 amp draw.

[3_tons]

Because of the weight difference, my WAG is that one has pouch cells and the other cylindrical…Either way, for my moola I’d avoid the 100a version.

3 tons

[otrfun]

2oldman wrote:

otrfun wrote:
This particular $799 200ah Ampere Time LifePo4 is only capable of producing 100a of continuous current. If you have plans to power a microwave or similar device, you may come up a bit short.

Oops.

FWIW, the $979 ($50 off right now) 200ah Ampere Time LifePo4 "PLUS" version you asked about earlier is rated at 200+a of continuous current. This unit weighs ~6 lbs. more than the $799 (currently $40 off) 200ah unit, but has the same dimensions. Possibly the same cells as the $799 unit. No doubt more capable BMS and cabling.

[2oldman]

otrfun wrote:
This particular $799 200ah Ampere Time LifePo4 is only capable of producing 100a of continuous current. If you have plans to power a microwave or similar device, you may come up a bit short.

Oops.

[otrfun]

Ivylog wrote:
I recently built 600AH of Lithium batteries for $1200 and my time… probably 10 hours and not that hard.

Nice! Source? Configuration? BMS?

[otrfun]

Tom/Barb wrote:
If you have room?? gofer it... they are big batteries.

Yes, they are.

Four generic 200ah 3.2v prismatic cells (4s configuration = 200ah at 12.8v) and a 120a-200a BMS (Overkill, Daly, etc.) would take up 1/2 the space of this unit at easily the same or lower price and provide 120a - 200a of continuous current (BMS dependent).

This particular $799 200ah Ampere Time LifePo4 is only capable of producing 100a of continuous current. If you have plans to power a microwave or similar device, you may come up a bit short.

[3_tons]

What I’ve learned to love most about the LFP, is how casual I can now be about my impulse to recharge it…Considering our daily usage and average harvest, the SOC tends to stay within a very usable range, say between a lower to high range of somewhere between about 35-90% SOC (then to discontinue solar), while voltage remains practically flat…

I did have to start the Honda one evening near Sacto after running the air from the battery for about an hour (compressor constant!)…Haven’t cell-balanced in a few weeks (and running…), and when at home I simply disconnect and leave it within this same range …Quite naturally, habits will change a bit per seasons…The Sacto trip (HOT - ugg!) finally incentivized me to get off my duff and figure out how to get the Honda 2200 to run while in the eco mode, finding afterwards that the glitch was with the uber-sensitive ‘pass-thru’ inverter…Moving forward, a new inverter output bypass circuit and ATS makes eco happen - dang (dummy me!!), why didn’t I just think of this earlier!!

Disclaimer: This is just my own ‘hands-on’ experience, as I don’t in anyway claim to attest to the real-world experiences of others 🙂

3 tons

[FWC]

It is now $759 with coupon.

LiFePO4 have been the cheapest batteries per cycle for a long time, they are now getting very close to being the cheapest up front as well.

[Ivylog]

I recently built 600AH of Lithium batteries for $1200 and my time… probably 10 hours and not that hard.