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Amp Hours - Are you Right Sized? Post your Charge Method

MiRV
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Amp Hour usage is always a question for people who looking at the idea of Boondocking. Since the batteries are one of the most crucial part of your electrical system, it's important to have the House Batteries "right sized" for a successful Boondock.

Please post the following:

1 - Projected Amp Hours for 24 hours (amp hour worksheet):
2 - Current # of batteries:
3 - Current # of Amp Hours [AH] your batteries have (or Reserve Capacity [RC]):
4 - Battery Voltage (6 or 12):
5 - How long do your batteries last based on #1:
6 - How long each day do you run your generator to get "recharged":
7 - Provide any other info like if you use solar and how you recharge, etc.:

THANK YOU!!!!
Livin' the Dream, Over the Road
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Almot
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MIRV, other people already explained that those 6 initial questions will not get you anywhere, to begin with. Although I answered those, which answers I think were as "appropriate" as there can be an appropriate answer to these questions.

I also answered your next set of questions about my system.

Your last set of questions/information was completely unclear. OEM display with LED lights that shows "battery full" is a useless piece, Christmas lights, whether you like it or not.

How full are the batteries when you leave home? How full are they before and after you run a generator on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc day? How do you measure SOC? Do you equalize your batteries? What loads, other than 12V fan, do you run when batteries go from full to empty? How much amps does this 12V fan draw? How do you determine full and empty?

When questions are not clear, your chances of getting useful answers are very, very low.

MiRV wrote:
The TOPIC does not need to be "specific" to an issue I have, but could be research for info on others configurations (which I may or may not copy).

Hm... So this is a poll, then?

MiRV
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ALMOT

I PM'd you and asked that you refrain from posting to this thread if you can't be appropriate or helpful. Your comments are inappropriate and I have notified the Moderator.

I do not want to get into a FLAMING WAR on the thread/forum, but you need to GROW UP! Either be helpful or get a life and get off the Forum! As for my 1st Post...I immediately followed it up with MY SYSTEM. If you didn't read it, then your issue.

The TOPIC does not need to be "specific" to an issue I have, but could be research for info on others configurations (which I may or may not copy).

AGAIN, please respond appropriately to the posts in this thread (or any thread for that matter). As a Senior Contributor, you'd think you know the rules of the Forum. Or do you post each day to "feel" like you have something to offer...cause as you have shown in this thread...YOU DON"T!
Livin' the Dream, Over the Road

MiRV
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DEN123 wrote:
Ok this may not be the right place to post but I cannot figure out how to start my own post. I have a 2011 fusion. when I plug in my Honda 200 ei generator and start the motor it immediately shows overload and I am not running anything. Any ideas?


DEN123
I sent you a PM on this...
Livin' the Dream, Over the Road

JiminDenver
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Almot wrote:
I think the OP said that they want a portable panel, which makes most of this debate moot.


I was pretty happy last week running 490w of portables on our 345 ah banks. I look forward to the day I get them mounted but will also miss the ability to aim and get 30+ amps any time the sun is shining.

2011 GulfStream Amerilite 25BH
2003 Ford Expedition with 435w tilting portable/ TS-MPPT-45
750w solar , TS-MPPT-60 on the trailer
675 Ah bank, Trip-lite 1250fc inverter
Sportsman 2200w inverter generator

steveh27
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1 - Projected Amp Hours for 24 hours (amp hour worksheet): 20-30
2 - Current # of batteries: 1
3 - Current # of Amp Hours [AH] your batteries have (or Reserve Capacity [RC]):105
4 - Battery Voltage (6 or 12): 12
5 - How long do your batteries last based on #1: depends upon if I'm driving or just staying in one spot.
6 - How long each day do you run your generator to get "recharged": I only take my Honda 2000 on 2 trips a year. So mostly, never, then 2 hours.
7 - Provide any other info like if you use solar and how you recharge, etc.: I have a 120 watt portable panel, but rarely take it as I usually drive, am plugged in, or have the genny.

Almot
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Explorer III
landyacht318 wrote:
If solar is to be the primary recharging source, increase the ratio of solar wattage over battery capacity, is my recommendation. I think that many get a large capacity bank and then just enough solar to replenish what they use, and pay no attention to the minimum bulk recommended recharge rates of the battery manufacturer.

Battery may not have any minimum recharge current specified. My AGM have only maximum recommended current 35%C, and says nothing about minimum. Many flooded batteries have maximum recommended current lower yet, at 25-30%C. If there is also a minimum current specified, say, 18%C, it's going to be next to impossible to keep current between 18% and 25% at all times while on solar.

Yes, getting more than 1W of solar per 1 AH of battery makes sense. As long as the maximum current is within the battery specs. I think the OP said that they want a portable panel, which makes most of this debate moot.

landyacht318
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I think BFL13's coined term of progressive sulfation is an apt one for the Op to realize.

Without returning to a true 100% every so often, doing 50 to 90's or 50 to 80's day after day results in less and less capacity available, and at some point the batteries are screaming for a true full 100% recharge, yet are just fed the same regimen of 50 to 90 again and just say 'screw you buddy, I'm done" and take a nose dive, and the battery discharger points fingers everywhere but back at themselves.

Reaching that true 100% is difficult, and obviously time consuming, and if on a generator, a big waste of fuel.

I have 130 amp hours, I reduced my overall house capacity from 230A/h, as I only use 30 to 50 A/h a night on average. My 200 watts of solar, which is not going to increase, works much better feeding a single petulant 130 amp hour battery than it did feeding 2 115 AH batteries in parallel.

While I am not impressed with the peculiar recharge requirements of this particular battery, if I only get one year of 365 cycles out of it, I will be ahead of my previous sets of 2 27's in parallel which I never got more than 2 years from. And so far, since I have figured out what this battery requires to reach near 1.275 daily( cycled nightly) by solar alone, I expect more than a year from it, but time will tell.

If solar is to be the primary recharging source, increase the ratio of solar wattage over battery capacity, is my recommendation. I think that many get a large capacity bank and then just enough solar to replenish what they use, and pay no attention to the minimum bulk recommended recharge rates of the battery manufacturer. Perhaps if their outing is not a long one, and they get to go home and plug in for a few weeks then it is not a big deal.

While Solar is not going to be like the flip of a switch grid powered charging source, a higher solar wattage ratio to battery capacity is going to get the batteries up in the 90% range earlier, giving them more time to approach that 100% area for the rest of the day, as well as counteract usage during the day.

The person who sizes their solar array only to replenish their overnight capacity removal, is eventually going to have a starving battery bank. Pull out the Hydrometer or remain ignorant. Lesser amounts of solar can be thought of as possibly negating usage, but not as a proper recharging source, not after a certain amount of cycles.

My current battery wants a 10% rate and my solar can just barely reach this. 200 watts of Solar to 130 amp hours battery. I think the usual 1 watt of solar to 1 amp hour of battery capacity is way too low. The 5 to 13% of capacity one sees listed on AZ wind and sun forums might be too low as well in RV usage, perhaps not on off grid stick and brick.

My previous batteries had a recommended minimum ~18% rate and my solar was not even meeting 50% of this requirement. They used a lot of water, they got low, they performed badly even before they got low, and were replaced well before they should have been, or so was my thinking at time of replacement.

We often see the same recommendations spouted as gospel. There are large differences in requirements between the person who uses their batteries for 2 weeks here and there and the person who cycles each and every day.

We'll always see somebody claim a certain amount of years from a battery bank, but what is important is not years, but the number of cycles that the batteries lasted for. The person who got a respectable amount of cycles from a battery bank was doing something right. The person who left their converter to hold them at 13.6v for 44 weeks a year and brags about longevity....

sound and fury, signifying nothing

westend
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Amp hours, typical daily--50-100AH
5 Batteries
Batteries configured in two banks-3 AGM telecom batteries totalling 100 AH--two GC2 6v's totalling 210 AH
6V and 12V
Batteries are run for two days without charge
Haven't used a generator, yet.
Notes: I have 230W of solar and the 12V system is built to use a 120V dorm fridge, 120V entertainment items, a water pump, and two 3 amp fans, if needed. I have no other 12V devices used on a daily basis. Since my water pump is an air compressor (vintage pressure system), the water "pump" doesn't run on demand (probably some power savings there).
'03 F-250 4x4 CC
'71 Starcraft Wanderstar -- The Cowboy/Hilton

Heap64
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1 - ~50-60 we are pretty light power users.
2 - (4) 6v 230 amp hour batteries
3 - 460 AH total
4 - 6v
5 - Shouldn't be an issue.
6 - No generator unless we need AC
7 - 500w solar.

I tried to size our system to allow for plenty of cloudy days and allow us to still camp in fairly shady spots since that is our preference. So I have a large battery bank and more solar than I should need. We will put this to its first real test in September when we camp off the grid 2 weeks in Michigan's UP.
James & Kim from Central Illinois
2012 Ford F250 XLT CC SB 4x4 6.7, ARE Topper and Decked Draw System
2013 Arctic Fox 25Y (1250lb tongue weight with mods)
Blue Ox Sway Pro 1500 w/Reese Titan Weight Dist Shank

2oldman
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DEN123 wrote:
Ok this may not be the right place to post but I cannot figure out how to start my own post.
..but you can figure out how to do this? Please.
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

mena661
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To the OP, 4 6V's might do it for you but we need to know what you use while camping. Its even better to do an energy audit to be even more precise.

mena661
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Not a good idea to hijack someone else's thread. Causes a lot of confusion. All you have to do is click on Tech Issues and click on Post New Topic to start your own.

DEN123
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Ok this may not be the right place to post but I cannot figure out how to start my own post. I have a 2011 fusion. when I plug in my Honda 200 ei generator and start the motor it immediately shows overload and I am not running anything. Any ideas?

Almot
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MiRV wrote:
I have 150AH, 12V, 2 batteries Group24 (older batteries). I'm trying to figure out the best solution to improve my current AH availability and allow me to go longer between generator runs since I don't have solar.

Over the next 12 months, we will be boon docking MORE in the southwest and west...therefore, before I head out, I want to replace my battery configuration and/or add solar to help.

This is, more-less, what you should've started from. Posting your current setup. Also, if there is any room for expanding the battery bank. Also, your goals - i.e. how long you plan to boondock. "More" is not very informative. Also - whether a generator is going to be in the picture at all. Also - your daily energy needs, i.e. energy audit. This is perhaps the very 1st step that you should take.

Answering your question - my solar is 490W, made (of course) of 24V panels. It is not practical to have solar larger than 300W made of 12V panels (if this is what you meant by "panel type").

Portable solar has its limitations, this is a separate topic, but if you are heading that way, you have to lower your energy needs. This is what I meant by saying that energy needs have to be of the "right size" for your charging method.

Also, - again a separate topic - running 200AH bank flat overnight with only one 12V fan running doesn't sound normal.