Battery Let MIT Solve The Energy Storage Issue

[MEXICOWANDERER]

I spent one cold winter in Cambridge fifty years ago. Besides immersing myself in electromagnetic studies I learned when the lads and professors challenge a stumbling block they consume it from the inside out.

This is the (sole) existing answer for mass scale energy storage until a functional hohlraum can support fusion emission without distortion or collapse.

For automotive use? Maybe but molten metals in a miniaturization format would be a further challenge. I can easily see the MIT product delivering to a small self contained grid

GO BEAVERS !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImqmMOkANgg

[valhalla360]

Big Katuna wrote:
The news is click-driven these days, magnified by politically oriented segments.

The big solvable problems like 60,000 dead on our highways that could be solved with better drivers ed and cell phones that don’t transmit while moving, etc don’t get mentioned.

While I agree with your first comment...US traffic deaths peaked back in 1972 at 54,000. There has been a downward trend since...currently in the mid 30,000 range.

Funny thing is if you track the economics of the country, the best thing you can do is kill the economy. 2008 & 2009 you had successive years with 10% reductions. Last couple years there was an increase. But that's mostly a correlation to vehicle miles of travel.

Expect to see an even faster reduction as automated driving features become standard (takes 15-20yrs to roll over the fleet and currently it's only starting to filter into the mid level cars).

[profdant139]

I'm a little late to the conversation (due to family medical obligations and issues), but have you heard about the "gravity train" project? Drive the train uphill while the sun shines -- let it roll downhill when it doesn't:

Train

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Natural gas is rather clean and it can be stack scrubber processed to make it even cleaner. The USA has reserves to last 1000+ years. The plant I visited in Antioch CA could be brought online in 45 minutes.

21 megawatts and change output. But every transmission line, distribution line and service line will have to be trebled or quadrupled in current capacity. A 120 Mw transformer 12 Kv to 750 Kv costs about 12 million dollars. To have a nationwide intertie is a trillion(s) dollars effort, including sub distribution. Realize the time and money in this. It takes about a month to construct the largest transmission transformers. The USA does not product the faintest shadow of that kind of manufacturing capacity. And it all has to be paid for -- every last tower strut.

[time2roll]

I don't think we quite need 100% back up on renewables. Of course we need energy storage and better distribution. Never going to have absolutely no wind and no solar nation wide for even a few minutes. Distributed generation and distributed storage really does solve this issue.

[agesilaus]

Down here the thought of un-carboning energy is almost impossible.
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It's impossible everywhere unless we go max effort for nuke. Every single one of these techs: wind and solar, require 100% fossil plant backup. Meaning that for every MWe that they claim to produce they require a full time running fossil plant. That's so when they don't produce the fossil plant can jump in and take up the load.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

I agree strongly with the point of fifty thousand deaths annually being absurd.
The problem is the penalties are not stiff enough. The welder on the Kelley II never hurt anyone but six DUI's in six years did not faze him. The seventh he ended up in prison for 18 months and almost lost his house.

My advice? If you own your own home is to invest in a roof of solar panels and manufacture your battery based recharging system. Yes it will cost a ton. And yes a person will miss a lot of divots when vehicle charging starts getting to be a real drain on the grid.

Lithium Charge Efficiency Ratio? I don't know -- never bothered to research it. The year the grid becomes taxed I will be feeding a tree. But for youngsters it will be a thought to muse. Down here the thought of un-carboning energy is almost impossible.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Go to Regina to the government offices, inhale deeply and suddenly all will be made all right. I was not joking that failed lawyers make up too large a segment of government.

[pianotuna]

The Federal government in Canada has said coal and gas electrical generation must cease in Canada by 2030. Saskatchewan has 3.7 megawatts of generation.

Unfortunately 1682 of that is coal, and 1547 of that is gas.

I can't see how that is going to be possible.

[Big_Katuna]

The news is click-driven these days, magnified by politically oriented segments.

The big solvable problems like 60,000 dead on our highways that could be solved with better drivers ed and cell phones that don’t transmit while moving, etc don’t get mentioned.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

I disbelieve just about everything I read because of political motive and agenda.

Our media considers the fact that China is on the ropes financially, as being anti-conducive to the general political philosophy.

People who soak up information shouted at them on the evening news suddenly become experts. China has lost TRILLIONS or dollars in the Hangsen the Chinese stock market. 20% of it's value. Factories are CLOSING. Beijing is in deep doo-doo.

I am NOT politically oriented. But I am TRUTH oriented and the news as reported is disgustingly biased. Both sides.

[valhalla360]

pianotuna wrote:
Hi,

Australia seems to be making storage work big time. (40 mil in savings in the first year).

The Australia savings are only after they shut down the coal plants and had no backup plan...so they would have had to buy power from neighboring states at massively inflated prices. Suddenly storage is much cheaper.

If they hadn't artificially taken out the competition, the savings become a huge cost.

[agesilaus]

We will have our own 'yellow jacket' uprising here before that happens.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

All I now is China is digging vast holes in Australia in the quest for lithium.

The USA will issue a federal tax on lithium disposal and another on new purchases. Do I look stupid? There will be excise tax on electricity. There will be a renewable energy tax on electricity and many other charges disguised perhaps as IPD, PPR, NDS, SOL, and others. There will be punitive taxes on LPG, natural gas and automobile registration. Hell let's not stop there: Property tax will go federal, state, county and city. Tax the snot out of petroleum, plastics, shingles and road asphalt.

Your shiny new Tesla Testosterone Ultra is going to end up costing you fifty cents a mile to drive. Plug in? When you do it it's going to connect your BCU computer to central database and much like a demand electrical meter, it's gonna suck your blood and guts. Refuse to pay and no conectee power to your lithium. Generator? The fourteen dollar a gallon rationed polluting gasoline will cool your heels.

GOVment? Oh yeah they'll step right up and demand lower energy costs so they can gut their own revenue.

Oil? They're going to complain about running 90% less crude while earning the same amount? Cost of maintenance 90% less. Oh yassir they'll holler and scream for sure. Count on it.

[pnichols]

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
Call me a skeptic. Call me anything, but don't call me wrong. The idea of 20,000,000 solo-electric motor vehicles circulating on California roads in 20 years is so absurd as to not earn a laugh. It deserves pity.

David ... what do you think will be the greatest driver of the coming absurdity:

1. All of the dirty lithium mining (probably) going on and (probably) all of the geo-politics that goes with it?

2. All of the polution (probably) going on during the manufacturing of all of those lithium batteries?

3. All of the dirty disposing (probably) going on of worn out lithium batteries?

4. All of the laughing all the way to bank (probably) going on by the investors in businesses involved with the replacing of lithium batteries every few years in all of those EVs?

5. Same as the above (probably) going on by the investors envolved with establishng all of the recharging stations and selling the power for all of those recharging stations?

6. All of the hand-ringing that (probably) will go on by EV owners when the various governments involved finally figure out how to tax them for driving those EVs that no longer contribute to the good old taxes on fossil fuel purchases?

7. Etc.?

:h