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pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
Hi All,

500 mile range loaded to 80,000 pounds. 30 minutes to recharge to 400 mile range. It may be self driving, too.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1113863_tesla-semi-500-mile-range-lower-running-costs-than-dies...
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.
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MEXICOWANDERER
Explorer
Explorer
I've lived an overly long life with a built-in BS Detector. I read in the 1990's the Prospectus from the Madoff group. A long-link chain from me to a Friend's - friend - father had me ridiculing the too-good-to-be-true trading by the Madoff group. My grumbles were ridiculed. I ended up owning this individual's automobile when he passed away soon after after losing several million dollars.

Electric cars - the vehicles, are viable. Utterly. But the infrastructure needed to support majority percentage of electric vehicle operation...

Does

Not

Compute

The grid balance in California, is so acute that the installation of several million solar intertie panels tipped supply just past the threshold of mandatory rolling blackouts.

Some wise person is needed to inform me. Californians rejected nuclear. They reject hydrocarbon generation plants, and hydroelectric is saturated to the almost bitter end of its potential. Even sheer canyon walled minor streams are barred from having a hydroelectric dam installed. More hydroelectric on the Colorado River is contraindicated. Between Hoover and Parker dams, little excess flow exists. Temporal rainfall is used to replete reservoir levels. To reduce flow for another low head dam would destroy Imperial Valley agriculture. Shasta is saturated, Berryessa and Clear Lakes barely have enough input to maintain lake levels with little outflow.

Yes of course, hot air from Sacramento could in theory levitate the Empire State Building to Mars and beyond.

Where are the plans? Show me one freaking paragraph that deals with this. Tera-watt Hours of miracle energy. Anyone talking about trebling the major intertie grids? What do you mean "Not One Word?"

I've seen too much hare-brained idealism to last half a dozen lifetimes. Chanting. No Plans. Control the environment by raising taxes and instituting governing bodies who use ten times the amount of energy they try to save.

Deal with GENERATING, TRANSMISSION, AND DISTRIBUTION, FIRST. Enact constitutional guarantees of energy cost to consumers. EXPLAIN IN non-failed-lawyer-legalize how these plans are going to be enacted and existence of guaranteed dates of completion. THEN and ONLY THEN allow idiots like California governor Jerry Brown to provoke electric vehicle exclusively mandates.

And OH YEAH! Tax the living snot out of marijuana growers who waste thousands of Kilowatt Hours growing recreational intoxicants.

3_tons
Explorer III
Explorer III
MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
I can see it all now...



Hey Mex, you cannot possibly be right, do you mean that there really is no such thing as a grid Tooth Fairy??...... If were in fact true, surely our โ€˜Wizards of Smartโ€™ in Congress would have alerted us to this revelation, eh?.....Have you Sir yet to outsource your reasoning skills to the public policy cult of โ€˜Sustainabilityโ€™??.....

Hear, hear, Sir, โ€œIn our woefully limited Grid We TRUSTโ€!!!!
3 tons

MEXICOWANDERER
Explorer
Explorer
Wotta hoot. The USA is producing FAR more petroleum than it can possibly use. The API Lobby is BEGGING CONGRESS to permit vast quantities of shale oil to be exported.

And the oil investing crowd on Wall Street is predicting if the middle east descends into war, it will RAISE the market price of USA crude by 200%.

The Official Wall Street Crude Oil Burqa...

3_tons
Explorer III
Explorer III
joelm wrote:
If only Tesla could design a truck powered by B.S., Musk could personally power entire fleets.


X2, Muskโ€™s business model is fueled by a never ending govโ€™t subsidy scam without which there would be no profit - Oops, come to think of it, there already is NO PROFIT!!...Nothing new here except another โ€˜just in timeโ€™ stock value distraction and recycled fame, Musk is truly the Preston Tucker of our day - LOL!!.....Personally Iโ€™m not at all interested in subsidizing my fairly โ€˜well healedโ€™ neighborโ€™s Glamorous new Model S, his solar system or Big Rigs that will only drive up the cost of living, but then again (for sentient thinkers), like sooooooo many other programs, this cronyism was NEVER Intended to be the role of Govโ€™t....But thats another story that has already tipped too far..

3 tons

time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
DiskDoctr wrote:
We just got a notice that our electric rate is going to INCREASE by 25%
Is that 8 cents to 10 cents?
What is driving it?

MEXICOWANDERER
Explorer
Explorer
Obviously (I Hope) I was joking 2oldman ๐Ÿ™‚

Being a pure nerd I have attempted to dig back in time and come up with a compelling reason for the creation of unbelievably vast quantities of crude oil.

No jungle that ever existed could provide the carbon and oil was formed by burying titanic amounts of vegetation.

Couldn't be a dense jungle what could it have been. Alien alfalfa crops gone Jack In The Beanstalk...? Orchids on steroids...?

Try this...

Biblical grade volcanic eruptions including mega eruptions that would make an impending Yellowstone National Park blowout look like a cherry bomb deposited a layer of minerals including sulfur on oceans when the supercontinent Pangea was spuming and ejecting...



That inspired an algae bloom that again achieved biblical proportions. Virtual continents of floating algae several feet thick...

Guess what (?) out of all vegetation in history algae consumes more carbon dioxide than any other. By magnitudes. The volcanic eruptions gave the plant oodles of carbon.

And the algae eventually sucked all the CO2 out of the air.

Whoa Hoss! Inverse Greenhouse Effect Incorported!

Ice age city. To the point where glaciation made more recent ice ages look like a bag of party ice cubes.

The algae took offense at this and died and sank. Plate tectonics did the rest, subducting and folding terraforming style land masses. And the algae became hydrocarbon cognac. In some cases Courvoisier grade crude oil.

I find it stunning that environmental groups went ape#### when an attempt was made to experiment spreading iron filings on the surface of the ocean to test this theory. The far south Pacific Ocean is sterile. No fish and few of any kind of life form. A test spreading a few thousand tons of iron filings could prove the exercise. But environmental groups threatened to sue, demonstrate, climb trees and wear gorilla suits in protest.

Which brings up a question...If the greenhouse effect was nullified would it endanger the empowerment nay the very existence of environmental extremism? It's a fascinating area of study...

Environmental extremism is the far side of environmental responsibility -- like burning a Hummer agency to the ground in the Los Angeles area while chanting Kumbayah. Created more toxic emissions than 10,000 Hummers would in 10-years. So cool it with the green leaf knee-jerk to my comments, please ๐Ÿ™‚

DiskDoctr
Explorer
Explorer
We just got a notice that our electric rate is going to INCREASE by 25%

time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
Gdetrailer wrote:
Big deal, right now my latest bill the pocos cost was $.07 per Kwhr but when you add up all of the fees and taxes it is nearly $.20 per Kwh..

I have a brother who is only 5 miles away but his electric is on a REA Coop (Rural Electric Co Op which was the "electrification project from way back in the early 1900s), pays DOUBLE what I pay..

So, last months bill was $80 for me would be $160 for my Brother.
Your brother paying 40 cents kWh could save a ton with solar.

Problem is that coop is stuck in the early 1900s.

Tom_M1
Explorer
Explorer
In 2009 I spent four months in New Zealand where diesel fuel was a lot cheaper than gasoline (petrol). Diesel cars were becoming more popular so the government decided to narrow the price gap by charging a Road User Charge (RUC). People with diesel cars had to go to the post office and purchase a RUC sticker. They were sold in 1000km increments. This process could easily be applied to electric vehicles for the collection of road tax.
Tom
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John___Angela
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Explorer
Gdetrailer wrote:
John & Angela wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Current cost of utility scale solar power is 5.0 to 6.6 cents per kWh and dropped 30 percent last year.

https://www.nrel.gov/news/press/2017/nrel-report-utility-scale-solar-pv-system-cost-fell-last-year.h...

The assumed cost of diesel was $2.50 per gallon. Good luck finding that, at least in CA.


At the contract power auction last week solar hit an all time low of 1 cent per kilowatt hour...and is expected to continue to fall.


AND once again everyone totally ignores the small mere fact that the cost of acquiring electric is the SMALL part of ones power bill.

There is local, state, Fed taxes, distribution fees, service fees, and a bunch of other fees tacked onto my bill..

Big deal, right now my latest bill the pocos cost was $.07 per Kwhr but when you add up all of the fees and taxes it is nearly $.20 per Kwh..

I have a brother who is only 5 miles away but his electric is on a REA Coop (Rural Electric Co Op which was the "electrification project from way back in the early 1900s), pays DOUBLE what I pay..

So, last months bill was $80 for me would be $160 for my Brother..

Yack about all the "savings" but if or when every vehicle is electric, the cost will be even worse than dino fuel..

And that is ignoring the fact that generating and maintaining electrical power is not efficient, cheap, self sustaining OR "green"..

The only reason you might find it somewhat cheaper right now is the Gov has not found a way to impose ROAD TAXES on electric generation..

When they do, most likely it will be imposed unfairly and across the board for ALL electric grid users.

Road taxes in many US states are from $.50-$.90 per gallon..

To make a fair comparison you need to take in consideration the entire electric bill cost AND add in road use taxes.

Using only the electric generation cost and no taxes and fees nor road use taxes and electric looks great..


The observation was about the spot market power auction, not retail power sales. These numbers are typically used to compare power generation costs...eg...coal vs natural gas vs wind vs solar vs hydro etc. I agree that how it is retailed is a different topic entirely.
2003 Revolution 40C Class A. Electric smart car as a Toad on a smart car trailer
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monkey44
Nomad II
Nomad II
2oldman wrote:
Oil is dead plants, not dead dinosaurs.


2oldman, you always pop in with an interesting post after everyone else runs out of gas. ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚
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Gdetrailer
Explorer III
Explorer III
John & Angela wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Current cost of utility scale solar power is 5.0 to 6.6 cents per kWh and dropped 30 percent last year.

https://www.nrel.gov/news/press/2017/nrel-report-utility-scale-solar-pv-system-cost-fell-last-year.h...

The assumed cost of diesel was $2.50 per gallon. Good luck finding that, at least in CA.


At the contract power auction last week solar hit an all time low of 1 cent per kilowatt hour...and is expected to continue to fall.


AND once again everyone totally ignores the small mere fact that the cost of acquiring electric is the SMALL part of ones power bill.

There is local, state, Fed taxes, distribution fees, service fees, and a bunch of other fees tacked onto my bill..

Big deal, right now my latest bill the pocos cost was $.07 per Kwhr but when you add up all of the fees and taxes it is nearly $.20 per Kwh..

I have a brother who is only 5 miles away but his electric is on a REA Coop (Rural Electric Co Op which was the "electrification project from way back in the early 1900s), pays DOUBLE what I pay..

So, last months bill was $80 for me would be $160 for my Brother..

Yack about all the "savings" but if or when every vehicle is electric, the cost will be even worse than dino fuel..

And that is ignoring the fact that generating and maintaining electrical power is not efficient, cheap, self sustaining OR "green"..

The only reason you might find it somewhat cheaper right now is the Gov has not found a way to impose ROAD TAXES on electric generation..

When they do, most likely it will be imposed unfairly and across the board for ALL electric grid users.

Road taxes in many US states are from $.50-$.90 per gallon..

To make a fair comparison you need to take in consideration the entire electric bill cost AND add in road use taxes.

Using only the electric generation cost and no taxes and fees nor road use taxes and electric looks great..

2oldman
Explorer II
Explorer II
Oil is dead plants, not dead dinosaurs.
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

MEXICOWANDERER
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Explorer
:roll_eyes::roll_eyes::roll_eyes::roll_eyes:

MEXICOWANDERER
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Explorer
I just hope my car cranks over tomorrow morning. :