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My AGM to Lithium conversion

Rbertalotto
Explorer
Explorer
Here is a quick article I wrote on my adventure going from AGM batteries to Lithium.

http://rvbprecision.com/rv-projects/rv-lead-acid-agm-to-lithium.html

http://rvbprecision.com/rv-projects/rv-lead-acid-agm-to-lithium.html
RoyB
Dartmouth, MA
2021 RAM 2500 4X4 6.4L
2011 Forest River Grey Wolf Cherokee 19RR
520 w solar-200ah Renogy Li-Epever MPPT
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Itinerant1
Explorer
Explorer
Or something like this...



12v 500ah, 20 cells_ 4s5p (GBS LFMP battery system). 8 CTI 160 watt panels (1,280 watts)2s4p,Panels mounted flat. Magnum PT100 SCC, Magnum 3012 hybrid inverter, ME-ARC 50. Installed 4/2016 been on 24/7/365, daily 35-45% DOD 2,500+ partial cycles.

Itinerant1
Explorer
Explorer
You asked daily consumption. Which I took to mean on what I would use from the battery... sundown to sun up or when the solar started to charge again. Is that what you meant?

If so then the % shown would be that. 40% would be a 200ah daily consumption. That could be from 100% SOC down to 60% SOC or 80% down to 40% or 65% down to 25%. Is that what you were asking?
12v 500ah, 20 cells_ 4s5p (GBS LFMP battery system). 8 CTI 160 watt panels (1,280 watts)2s4p,Panels mounted flat. Magnum PT100 SCC, Magnum 3012 hybrid inverter, ME-ARC 50. Installed 4/2016 been on 24/7/365, daily 35-45% DOD 2,500+ partial cycles.

pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
Hi,

Jan 2022 40% of what?
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

Itinerant1
Explorer
Explorer
pianotuna wrote:
Hi Itinerant1,

Any idea of the daily consumption numbers over a month in January and in July?

You have one heck of a good system imo.


Thank you, The system has performed better than I thought possible.

Something like this? These are averages over the month period of time since I started keeping track of daily consumption.

* by them is when I was on hookups during that month period of time. so the numbers would be lower because the daily consumption for 12v item would be 7% +/-. In 2020 I added the Micro air to the air conditioner and started using it more often.



1% = 5ah
Example 20% = 100ah
12v 500ah, 20 cells_ 4s5p (GBS LFMP battery system). 8 CTI 160 watt panels (1,280 watts)2s4p,Panels mounted flat. Magnum PT100 SCC, Magnum 3012 hybrid inverter, ME-ARC 50. Installed 4/2016 been on 24/7/365, daily 35-45% DOD 2,500+ partial cycles.

BFL13
Explorer II
Explorer II
"Absorption" setting on a solar controller is not to be confused with the Absorption Stage the battery does once it has reached Absorption Voltage (Vabs)

Some chargers even use "Absorption Voltage" to mean what they drop to after reaching a higher voltage, so they really mean "Float"--unless they have an even lower voltage for that too!

An LFP should be controlled not to go over 14.6v ever. (So no temp comp allowed!) By using 14.6 as Vabs the Absorption Stage for an LFP will start at well over 90% SOC often seen in LFP info as around 95% SOC when amps then taper while voltage is held at 14.6v until the battery is full.

Advice then varies how long you should leave it at 14.6 before dropping to Float. Some say 20 minutes and others say a week or so won't hurt. From the LFP info I have seen, it is not clear at what lower voltage the LFP stops rising in SOC, so picking a Float voltage could just delay charging time and you should actually just not have any charge left on longer term--all very vague, but it is early days for LFPs and more advice will come out later as people learn more the hard way I suppose. Now it is every man for himself ๐Ÿ™‚

Some solar controllers have a fixed time they stay at Vabs before dropping to Float, EG two hours. Some are programmable for picking that time. Some just get to Vabs and stay there till it gets dark.

So it depends on what your controller design is what to do for settings, and how you intend to operate considering LFP specs.

LFPs do not need to be fully charged to prevent sulfation. Many users choose to use a lower voltage Vabs and set their controllers (and any other chargers) to say 14.4 or less, even 13.8 as seen in above posts, on the advice that the LFP will do more cycles for longer life that way.

Supposedly, Vabs is reached at a lower SOC with a longer time in the Absorption Stage to reach a full charge. ( if an LFP does reach full at the lower Vabs--I am not clear on that. Also not clear that "absorption" is even a proper word for use with LFPs, but chargers and controllers do have that as a setting from FLA usage, so that stays)

(Not to be confused with FLAs that have lower SOCs when Vabs is reached with higher charging rates. The story on LFP is that happens with them at lower Vabs but presumably with the same charging rates. Another thing that should be clarified. Will a higher Vabs mean the LFP "accepts" more amps like a FLA will?)

It would be interesting to get some data from users who are using lower voltage Vabs on just what SOC as seen from their AH counting monitors their LFPs get to when Vabs is reached. That would confirm or not the story that a lower Vabs does mean a shorter Bulk stage and a longer Absorption Stage with LFPs.

Choosing a lower Vabs would "go with" operating the LFP so you could "tune" your Vabs setting to match what you want for an SOC operating range. That range needs to be wide enough to have the AH you use so another factor would be how big your LFP bank is in AH. You would then need a time at Vabs and a time in Float (assuming it still goes higher in SOC at the Float voltage at all) to reach the intended SOC.

From the above replies it looks like that is what LFPers are doing or experimenting with as they get more experience with them.
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pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
Hi Itinerant1,

Any idea of the daily consumption numbers over a month in January and in July?

You have one heck of a good system imo.
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

3_tons
Explorer III
Explorer III
Boost charge at 14.4v, Absorption (i.e. cell balancing*) 14.4v, Float (optional - not reqd.)13.6v

*Requires a full charge, monitored via alternating-tapering amps and volts - preformed only occasionally

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Itinerant1
Explorer
Explorer
Solar is my main source for charging. 14.1v absorb for 10 minutes max (can't be turned off). 13.6v float. My system is in use continously so it might be floating for few hours or so before the sun goes down and living off the batteries again.
12v 500ah, 20 cells_ 4s5p (GBS LFMP battery system). 8 CTI 160 watt panels (1,280 watts)2s4p,Panels mounted flat. Magnum PT100 SCC, Magnum 3012 hybrid inverter, ME-ARC 50. Installed 4/2016 been on 24/7/365, daily 35-45% DOD 2,500+ partial cycles.

time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
Cptnvideo wrote:
New to LFP batteries. For those with LFPs and solar, what is your float and absorb charge voltage set at?
10 minutes absorption at 13.8 volts, float 13.2, equalize every 3 weeks at 14.2 volts 30 minutes.

Cptnvideo
Nomad
Nomad
New to LFP batteries. For those with LFPs and solar, what is your float and absorb charge voltage set at?
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time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
pianotuna wrote:
If one is returning home--the charging would certainly allow maximum range to be used, as that's where the majority of charging happens. So the majority of the time nearly 100% range is quite possible.
Yes very possible. However probability is slim to end up with the exact range needed to get home. Invariably will be 10+ miles short or 10+ miles long.

Same for a gasoline vehicle headed to the next refueling stop. Most fill up with 50+ miles remaining range when they could go another 30 miles to the next town.

jaycocreek
Explorer II
Explorer II
StirCrazy wrote:
camping in BC is not like camping in California, becasue of the trees you might only get two hours of good sunlight a day and need to take advantage of that.


Pretty much ther same here in Idaho although I am not sure I want to ad anymore solar,to the roof or portable..One more panel to the roof next month which will make 200 watts fixed on top and I have 200 watts portable..I believe that is where I will stop with solar..

As unpopular as generators are here,they have there place for me whom never camps next to anyone..I have three quiet gen sets that I use with AC the few times I use the window AC, which allows me to top off the batteries when in use..

One of my favorite wood getting spots right up against the Wilderness sign..LOL..Very little roof solar here with portable getting more use and effectiveness..

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StirCrazy
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BFL13 wrote:
Good info by itenerant1 and implied advice to other LFPers. Stay far enough above the lower knee and never mind about not using 100% capacity. Monitor!


I set mine at 12.0 or 12.1V not to worry about the knee, but rather to keep my power available above 12V at all times to make it easier on some electronics. it just happens it keeps it above the lower drop off also.

Steve
2014 F350 6.7 Platinum
2016 Cougar 330RBK
1991 Slumberqueen WS100

StirCrazy
Moderator
Moderator
Itinerant1 wrote:
BFL13 wrote:
StirCrazy note that more solar will not save you if sky is overcast. LFP does not change need for gen as back up. Portable gen but not built in is also recovery method for LVD


So true all the extra solar does is allow you to run more items from it and give the batteries a break on the side line waiting for the coach to call them into play when needed while possible still being charged to some degree or after being charged and floating the solar is running the loads if you have enough solar to cover the loads. But when there are multiple days of poor solar or just use alot of power like I do it helps to have a backup plan for charging.


but more solar absolutly does hep asside from hat you mentioned. faster chargingwhen you do have sun. camping in BC is not like camping in California, becasue of the trees you might only get two hours of good sunlight a day and need to take advantage of that.
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StirCrazy
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BFL13 wrote:
StirCrazy note that more solar will not save you if sky is overcast. LFP does not change need for gen as back up. Portable gen but not built in is also recovery method for LVD


no it won't, well actual it will becasue I still get charging in overcast, just at a way lower amount so more will help some, but if you re read what I said the switchover to LFP alone has taken me from 3 days max with out sun to 10 days, where more solar comes in is in charging when that sun does come back. I will be able to charge twice as fast. also even on normal days it would switch more of the power usage to the panels and depleat the batter even less. and finaly recover from using the furnace and lights at night will be even faster the next day so I would be at 100% capacity even faster so shorter periods of sun will be more effective to me.

so yes I don't need a Gen. I also don't need a Gen in my 5th wheel which only has GC batteries at a usable capacity of 216AH (300ish in an emergency) I have 480 watts of solar in that and in 7 years have never run out of power, mind you in the very early spring and very lait fall we will book places with power so we can run the fireplace and take the load of the propane furnace.

as far as gennys are concerned I would much rather go spend a night or two in a campground with power to recharge if it ever came to that than own a genny. I cant stand it when I am camping and some one starts one of thoes noisy things and ruins the whole experiance for everyone else. thank god campgrounds in BC are starting to limit there use even more.

Steve
2014 F350 6.7 Platinum
2016 Cougar 330RBK
1991 Slumberqueen WS100