2018 Ford Expedition Max

[austingta]

Looks like a nice and very expensive option for families. 1900 payload and 9100 max towing. (I searched and didn't t find anything here; apologies if it's old news).

https://www.ford.com/suvs/expedition/

[SidecarFlip]

H2oSprt wrote:
I’ve had three tow veichles for towing the same boat and trailer over the last 17 years:

01 2500 suburban 3.73
04 2500hd 6.0 4.10
15 Expedition EL 3.5 ecoboost 3.73

The ecoboost hands down pulls grades stronger than my 6.0 and feels very comparable to my 8.1 suburban. It gets about 8 mpg better empty and close to the same pulling the trailer. My only concearn is will the turbo v6 have the longevity of my old chevys. My only concearn is will the turbo v6 have the longevity of my old chevys. Only time will tell.

Probably not. It's smaller and thus is working harder. I see Ford is having issues with head gaskets on their turbocharged small engines. Something about cylinder head flex. Don't matter to me either. I'm not buying one. I have a V8 Diesel truck thats just fine for my use and it's not stressed at all.

[BurbMan]

carringb wrote:
Why would you want a motor with less torque and a far peakier torque-curve.

I wouldn't....I would like those same performance numbers but with 100% duty cycle like my current big block. I'm not saying give me the current 5.4L, I'm saying give me a V-10 or diesel option....

It's really an academic discussion anyways since I am not going to drop $70k on a new truck.

[H2oSprt]

I’ve had three tow veichles for towing the same boat and trailer over the last 17 years:

01 2500 suburban 8.1 3.73
04 2500hd 6.0 4.10
15 Expedition EL 3.5 ecoboost 3.73

The ecoboost hands down pulls grades stronger than my 6.0 and feels very comparable to my 8.1 suburban. It gets about 8 mpg better empty and close to the same pulling the trailer. My only concearn is will the turbo v6 have the longevity of my old chevys. Only time will tell.

[austingta]

I had a 2015 F150 with the 3.5 EcoBoost. Very powerful and torquey. Amazing what they can do.

There is no advantage to a V8 anymore. None.

[LanceRKeys]

That little Eco-Boost sure is amazing. 90% of the torque of the 8.1L vortec, and right at 85% of the torque of the old 7.3 powerstroke. Given the choice, not sure which I would pick, but the new Expedition sure is tempting (if you can ignore the price).

[carringb]

BurbMan wrote:
I was surprised that the 3.5 EcoBoost V6 was the only powertrain option...call me old school, but for that kind of coin I want a V8. The onky transmission option is a 10-speed auto, I'll bet that works great in keeping the little V6 in its powerband.

Why would you want a motor with less torque and a far peakier torque-curve.

To be honest, the 10 speed isn't necessary to keep the EcoBoost in its powerband. The non-turbo motors in the F150 actually will benefit far more than the 3.5L EcoBoost. Even the defunct (in half-tons) 6.2L only made more torque above 4500.

[SidecarFlip]

My BIL was on the design team for the 10 speed. You need a lot of ratio's to keep that weenie motor churning along.

Seems as though the old adage 'no replacement for displacement' is going by the wayside

[BurbMan]

I was surprised that the 3.5 EcoBoost V6 was the only powertrain option...call me old school, but for that kind of coin I want a V8. The onky transmission option is a 10-speed auto, I'll bet that works great in keeping the little V6 in its powerband.

[SidecarFlip]

Ralph Cramden wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
I think these have been out for a little while now. I have seen a few on the roads (often rentals). I am not a fan of the looks of the Lincoln version, but either way, it is nice to see them step up and push the GM full size SUVs.

I have a 2011 Yukon Denali XL, that I have never been in love with. Good to have another viable option when the time to upgrade comes.

Guy down the road has the Lincoln version. The entire front end, grill, headlight bezels and everything else is injection molded plastic. I bet a light tap by even a bird would cost a thousand bucks to repair and I agree, it looks fugly.

Ya think LOL?......................A little bump to the front of my 2015 GMC without getting the frame, hood, or grille but nailing the bumper, fender, etc came in at a tad under $10K. The headlight assembly alone was close to a grand.

Nice thing about my old pickup.. I can buy a new Grill complete with headlight bezels on flea-bay for 50 bucks (that is an Ford part not aftermarket) and headlight assemblies for 75 a pop. A new bumper is 150. Cheap date, fine with me. Advantage to driving an antique (besides no emissions junk)...lol

[Ralph_Cramden]

SidecarFlip wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
I think these have been out for a little while now. I have seen a few on the roads (often rentals). I am not a fan of the looks of the Lincoln version, but either way, it is nice to see them step up and push the GM full size SUVs.

I have a 2011 Yukon Denali XL, that I have never been in love with. Good to have another viable option when the time to upgrade comes.

Guy down the road has the Lincoln version. The entire front end, grill, headlight bezels and everything else is injection molded plastic. I bet a light tap by even a bird would cost a thousand bucks to repair and I agree, it looks fugly.

Ya think LOL?......................A little bump to the front of my 2015 GMC without getting the frame, hood, or grille but nailing the bumper, fender, etc came in at a tad under $10K. The headlight assembly alone was close to a grand.

[mich800]

ktosv wrote:


The other thing I disliked with the infotainment was that with my iPhone I couldn't listen to Amazon Music and use a map app like Google Maps or Waze at the same time. If I wanted to see what music was playing on the trucks screen, I couldn't see the map on my phone. If I wanted to see the map on my phone, it would change the screen on the truck.

In contrast, I had a 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee this weekend. When I picked it up from the rental place I plugged my phone in, started my music app and it displayed on the Jeeps screen. I then started my map app and was on my way. Not once did I have to toggle between an app.

Did the GC have carplay? What you are describing is a quirk with carplay. I the FCA vehicles I drive with carplay they behave the same as the Ford. But if you connect as media or ipod that is not an issue

[ktosv]

I am not sure I am a fan of how much the front looks like an Explorer. From the pictures on their website I don't care for the look of the second row seat and is that arm rest on the second row buckets really that wide? I wonder how much has changed and been improved.

I had a 2017 Expedition EL as a rental a couple of weeks ago. I put nearly 1000 miles on it over four days and wasn't impressed with much. It averaged just under 17mpg in that 1000 miles which was mainly highway. We did a road trip in November with a 2017 Suburban and averaged 20mpg over 2000 miles. That 20mpg average included a fair share of city driving as well...the Suburban was getting close to if not over 23mpg.

One of the things that really frustrated me with the Expedition was with the infotainment and HVAC controls. There was redundant HVAC controls below and in the infotainment for everything but the rear air. To control the rear air you had to access it through the Sync button?

The other thing I disliked with the infotainment was that with my iPhone I couldn't listen to Amazon Music and use a map app like Google Maps or Waze at the same time. If I wanted to see what music was playing on the trucks screen, I couldn't see the map on my phone. If I wanted to see the map on my phone, it would change the screen on the truck.

In contrast, I had a 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee this weekend. When I picked it up from the rental place I plugged my phone in, started my music app and it displayed on the Jeeps screen. I then started my map app and was on my way. Not once did I have to toggle between an app.

[FishOnOne]

austingta wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:

JAC1982 wrote:
I priced out a non-Max already as I LOVE how they look and having more towing capacity would be nice. But for fully loaded, it was around $79,000 MSRP. I think I'll stick with my Explorer.

79 is more than I paid for my farm and it makes money...

Farmers and ranchers are a huge part of the premium truck business. Farms generate a lot of money, and it's just another expense. The difference between a capable truck/SUV and a capable and very luxurious vehicle is just a few hundred dollars a month.

Agreed... Farmers and Ranchers spend big bucks on trucks and SUV's. Even on used trucks. My wallet knows so well.

[FishOnOne]

I looked at a 2018 Expedition Limited a couple of weeks ago and was very impressed. The only thing I didn't like is the rotary transmission knob. Otherwise it's a very classy looking vehicle that will sell like hotcakes.