2020 PSD owner compares it to his 2019 PSD towing 18K

[ShinerBock]

This just came across my recommended videos on YouTube after watching Fish's 2020 7.3L video. He gives a pretty honest (and long) comparison for this who have a 2017-2019 and are thinking about switching. He also has a Banks iDash so you can see some of the temps although I believe the pyro-meter for the EGT's on the PSD is after turbo just like the CTD is which is about 300-400F cooler than pre-turbo numbers where most aftermarket pyro's are.

2020 FORD SUPERDUTY 10 SPEED TOWING 18,000lbs!

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:
Here's some fuel economy data on the '19 compared to the '20 F250 Super Duty. Also I added the Ram 2500 fuel economy comparison for good measure.


Also maybe JohnDeereFarmer will chime in. He reported his new 2020 6.7PSD is making 1.5-2 mpg better than his previous 6.7PSD which is pretty much in line that many are reporting.

I would not count on those being realistic until around 50 people or so reporting in for a year or 500k miles tracked. They will fluctuate wildly up or down until then. At least that is my experience with the side and the five new vehicles I have tracked on there. The first several months were no where near what I and everyone else on the forums where getting until there were around 50 people or 500k miles tracked.

[FishOnOne]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Hydraulic lifters have become more reliable because you don't have to do valve lash adjustments every 150k."

Non issue IMHO.

But the amount of moving parts just went up exponentially as that was your marketing claim of the past. Maybe not so much now.

[FishOnOne]

Here's some fuel economy data on the '19 compared to the '20 F250 Super Duty. Also I added the Ram 2500 fuel economy comparison for good measure.





Also maybe JohnDeereFarmer will chime in. He reported his new 2020 6.7PSD is making 1.5-2 mpg better than his previous 6.7PSD which is pretty much in line that many are reporting.

[Grit_dog]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Hydraulic lifters have become more reliable because you don't have to do valve lash adjustments every 150k."

Almost spit out my coffee reading that!

[Cummins12V98]

"Hydraulic lifters have become more reliable because you don't have to do valve lash adjustments every 150k."

Non issue IMHO.

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
They would rather be reliable than a hot rod.

I think we know better than that since Cummins in the Ram trucks has been on a constant battle in the power war. And from a total engine and emissions system the the cummins is not the most reliable and now that Cummins adopted the CP4.2 pump, hydraulic lifters, and I'm now hearing the 19-20 cummins trucks are using oil it's reliability will not improve.

Not Cummins. Their horsepower numbers have hardly gone up in the last ten years. Their torque has, but you can reliably make that while still being conservative. I know Ram would like Cummins to be more aggressive with their power numbers which they easily can with a more aggressive turbo and tuning given that it has the largest displacement of all three, but this is not the route the usually take.

Although the mention of the new CP4.2 plays into what I am saying. Ford adopted the CP4 just about as soon as it was out in order to increase power numbers. Cummins waited a while for all the problems to be fixed. Also, the use of the CP4 was more of a requirement due to new NOx limits rather than wanting to use it. The CP3 does not have enough pressure to do so. Hydraulic lifters have become more reliable because you don't have to do valve lash adjustments every 150k.

This, I feel, is the difference between Cummins and Ford. Ford will use as much new tech available to be the "best in class" (so will Ram) and fix things as they go while Cummins waits for all of the kinks to be worked out before putting it on their engine(aside from emissions stuff which was forced by the EPA). This is why the PSD changed so much in the last decade with things such as the turbo, intercooler coolant routing, pistons, and so on while the Cummins has remained mostly the same through the past decade. Not wrong, just different ideologies in what they think is important. To some, Ike times matter, to others, having reliable parts and not being a guinea pig to new tech does.

I am already hearing things about the new 2020 trucks in our fleet and from our 9 dealerships, but that is to be expected with any new design.

[FishOnOne]

ShinerBock wrote:
They would rather be reliable than a hot rod.

I think we know better than that since Cummins in the Ram trucks has been on a constant battle in the power war. And from a total engine and emissions system the the cummins is not the most reliable and now that Cummins adopted the CP4.2 pump, hydraulic lifters, and I'm now hearing the 19-20 cummins trucks are using oil it's reliability will not improve.

[Cummins12V98]

4x4ord wrote:
Ford requires the transmission fluid be changed every 150,000 miles. How often is the fluid to be changed in the Aisin?

Sorry for the Hi-Jack couldn't find the thread where we were discussing this !!!

We had been talking RPM's and actual speed in 6th at 70. I know you said I should be different but here is "my proof". All pics taken one right after the other.

Tried to get pics at perfect angle but the needles are right on the mark.

[Cummins12V98]

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

ROFL!!! Ha ha ha. So true. Many here think the hill country is steep.

I never said the hill country is steep nor do I recall anyone here saying that. I've seen several videos where someone is pulling 7-8% grade and from the video the road literally looks flat and even the driver emphasis that you can't tell how steep the road is via the video.

Never said you did. My comment was in Texans in general. Kind of like my friend that I took with me the last time I went to Moab. Going through the hill country and Sonora, Tx, he thought those were mountains. I of course laughed and said wait till we get to Colorado.

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
In regards to the exhaust brake, I am not surprised that he says that the Cummins exhaust brake is better than even his new 2020 though. It appears that he is not the only one to think that.

I was watching his videos a while back when he was evaluating a Ram HD truck but ultimately he felt the new Ford was overall a better performing truck like others have reported.

No doubt with the conservative tuning on the Cummins that doesn't change much in cold or hot temps like some other engines seam to do. I was just commenting on how he said it had a better exhaust brake which was a hot topic on the last Ike thread.

But as I said before, I'd rather do my tuning to my specific needs after I get my truck. The stock tuning is very conservative and meant to keep the engine cool towing 30k which I don't even tow half that. I can crank it up another 75-100hp without getting anywhere near dangerous numbers towing the 14k that I tow. Heck, I doubt the Cummins gets to dangerous numbers towing 30k on the stock numbers, but that is the mindset of Cummins. They would rather be reliable than a hot rod.

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

ROFL!!! Ha ha ha. So true. Many here think the hill country is steep.

I never said the hill country is steep nor do I recall anyone here saying that. I've seen several videos where someone is pulling 7-8% grade and from the video the road literally looks flat and even the driver emphasis that you can't tell how steep the road is via the video.

Never said you did. My comment was in Texans in general. Kind of like my friend that I took with me the last time I went to Moab. Going through the hill country and Sonora, Tx, he thought those were mountains. I of course laughed and said wait till we get to Colorado.

[Cummins12V98]

ford truck guy wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
Ford requires the transmission fluid be changed every 150,000 miles. How often is the fluid to be changed in the Aisin?

30k fluid then 60k filter and fluid. I’m thinking this is to do with the use these AISIN’s see in Medium Duty applications.

I will say there is no way in HE11 I wold go 150k towing what I do with a new Ford.

You gotta get a Ford. There is no way I'll keep my truck long enough to require the tranny fluid to be changed. I change the engine oil every 25k km and add fuel and windshield washer fluid as needed. That has been it for maintenance other than tires.

If I were in the market for a Gasser It could be a Ford, Diesel......NO!!!

CHICKEN. ! ! :B

In Vegas I stuck to BlackJack as I felt i had a chance. Never felt comfortable with Roulette. 😉

[ford_truck_guy]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
Ford requires the transmission fluid be changed every 150,000 miles. How often is the fluid to be changed in the Aisin?

30k fluid then 60k filter and fluid. I’m thinking this is to do with the use these AISIN’s see in Medium Duty applications.

I will say there is no way in HE11 I wold go 150k towing what I do with a new Ford.

You gotta get a Ford. There is no way I'll keep my truck long enough to require the tranny fluid to be changed. I change the engine oil every 25k km and add fuel and windshield washer fluid as needed. That has been it for maintenance other than tires.

If I were in the market for a Gasser It could be a Ford, Diesel......NO!!!

CHICKEN. ! ! :B

[Me_Again]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
FISH I pictured you as a Manly Man that did his own maintenance???

"The Aisin would have been to the shop for service 3 times during that period."

My selling dealer washed, fueled, and filled DEF tank at delivery. It has only been near a dealer's service department for recalls in the last 4.5+ years and 65K. Shortly I will be doing the CCV filter that I have already received. Come June it will be ready for another 6 month oil and from the top filer change. I may be doing that in Arizona or maybe back in Washington, which will be my 10th oil change.

[FishOnOne]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
FISH I pictured you as a Manly Man that did his own maintenance???

"The Aisin would have been to the shop for service 3 times during that period."

I guess that's better than a Girly Man... :B But yes I do my own maintenance and actually enjoy doing it.