2020 PSD owner compares it to his 2019 PSD towing 18K

[ShinerBock]

This just came across my recommended videos on YouTube after watching Fish's 2020 7.3L video. He gives a pretty honest (and long) comparison for this who have a 2017-2019 and are thinking about switching. He also has a Banks iDash so you can see some of the temps although I believe the pyro-meter for the EGT's on the PSD is after turbo just like the CTD is which is about 300-400F cooler than pre-turbo numbers where most aftermarket pyro's are.

2020 FORD SUPERDUTY 10 SPEED TOWING 18,000lbs!

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:


Then why does the CP4.2 (gen 1)gear for a 2012 Power Stroke and a CP4.2 (gen 2) for a 2019 Power Stroke have the same part# and 59 teeth on the gears?

Same part number? What part number are you looking at?

FishOnOne wrote:
My suggestion is for Firepunk to put his statement in writing or include it in one of his videos!

Yes, I am sure that Firepunk is going to go through the trouble of releasing a written statement just to pacify a Ford fanboy that misinterpreted their words in a video just so he can throw dirt on Cummins like he usually does and spends every waking moment of his existence trying to do because it gives him a chubby.

FishOnOne wrote:
Also the pictures of the CP4.2 pumps gear for the Fords on Firepunks website are not even close to being a gear for Ford application.

That was not the point. The point was that he does not even sell parts for or touched the fuel system on a 2017+ truck.

Typical response when someone looses a debate and doesn't have any facts to present.

What facts? You were using a video as evidence and I actually contacted the person who made the video because I knew them and they did not back up your version of the way you spun what they said. That is a fact that can be backed up if you call them. You say it is the same part number. What is that part number? I hope you are not using the part number that is posted on Ford parts .com because that is just the base part number, not the complete part number.

[FishOnOne]

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:


Then why does the CP4.2 (gen 1)gear for a 2012 Power Stroke and a CP4.2 (gen 2) for a 2019 Power Stroke have the same part# and 59 teeth on the gears?

Same part number? What part number are you looking at?

FishOnOne wrote:
My suggestion is for Firepunk to put his statement in writing or include it in one of his videos!

Yes, I am sure that Firepunk is going to go through the trouble of releasing a written statement just to pacify a Ford fanboy that misinterpreted their words in a video just so he can throw dirt on Cummins like he usually does and spends every waking moment of his existence trying to do because it gives him a chubby.

FishOnOne wrote:
Also the pictures of the CP4.2 pumps gear for the Fords on Firepunks website are not even close to being a gear for Ford application.

That was not the point. The point was that he does not even sell parts for or touched the fuel system on a 2017+ truck.

Typical response when someone looses a debate and doesn't have any facts to present.

[FishOnOne]

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:


Then why does the CP4.2 (gen 1)gear for a 2012 Power Stroke and a CP4.2 (gen 2) for a 2019 Power Stroke have the same part# and 59 teeth on the gears?

Same part number? What part number are you looking at?

FishOnOne wrote:
My suggestion is for Firepunk to put his statement in writing or include it in one of his videos!

Yes, I am sure that Firepunk is going to go through the trouble of releasing a written statement just to pacify a Ford fanboy that misinterpreted their words in a video just so he can throw dirt on Cummins like he usually does and spends every waking moment of his existence trying to do because it gives him a chubby.

FishOnOne wrote:
Also the pictures of the CP4.2 pumps gear for the Fords on Firepunks website are not even close to being a gear for Ford application.

That was not the point. The point was that he does not even sell parts for or touched the fuel system on a 2017+ truck.

Typical response when someone looses a debate and doesn't have any facts to present.

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:


Then why does the CP4.2 (gen 1)gear for a 2012 Power Stroke and a CP4.2 (gen 2) for a 2019 Power Stroke have the same part# and 59 teeth on the gears?

Same part number? What part number are you looking at?

FishOnOne wrote:
My suggestion is for Firepunk to put his statement in writing or include it in one of his videos!

Yes, I am sure that Firepunk is going to go through the trouble of releasing a written statement just to pacify a Ford fanboy that misinterpreted their words in a video just so he can throw dirt on Cummins like he usually does and spends every waking moment of his existence trying to do because it gives him a chubby.

FishOnOne wrote:
Also the pictures of the CP4.2 pumps gear for the Fords on Firepunks website are not even close to being a gear for Ford application.

That was not the point. The point was that he does not even sell parts for or touched the fuel system on a 2017+ truck.

[FishOnOne]

ShinerBock wrote:
Yep, Firepunk was only talking about the gen 1 CP4 in their video when they was comparing it to how fast the new CP4(found in the Cummins and Powerstroke) spins. They have not torn apart a new CP4 in a 2017+ Powerstroke yet and and he pointed out, they do not even sell pumps for them on their website like they do for the 2011-2016 PSD's. (LINK)

So while the gen 2 CP4 found on the 2019+ Cummins does spin faster than the older gen 1 pumps found on the 2011-2016 PSD's and Dmax's, the assumption that the gen 2 CP4 on the 2019+ Cummins spins faster the the gen 2 pump on the 2017+ PSD is just that, an assumption based on a video which the maker of the video refuted.

Then why does the CP4.2 (gen 1)gear for a 2012 Power Stroke and a CP4.2 (gen 2) for a 2019 Power Stroke have the same part# and 59 teeth on the gears?

My suggestion is for Firepunk to put his statement in writing or include it in one of his videos!

Also the pictures of the CP4.2 pumps gear for the Fords on Firepunks website are not even close to being a gear for Ford application.

[ShinerBock]

Yep, Firepunk was only talking about the gen 1 CP4 in their video when they was comparing it to how fast the new CP4(found in the Cummins and Powerstroke) spins. They have not torn apart a new CP4 in a 2017+ Powerstroke yet and and he pointed out, they do not even sell pumps for them on their website like they do for the 2011-2016 PSD's. (LINK)

So while the gen 2 CP4 found on the 2019+ Cummins does spin faster than the older gen 1 pumps found on the 2011-2016 PSD's and Dmax's, the assumption that the gen 2 CP4 on the 2019+ Cummins spins faster the the gen 2 pump on the 2017+ PSD is just that, an assumption based on a video which the maker of the video refuted.

[FishOnOne]

Here's another data point on the 2020 Power Stroke fuel economy. This hot shot driver reports his current 2020 Power Stroke rental is making "Night and Day" better fuel economy than his previous 2019 Dodge Ram (non HO) rental. His report is in line with TFL test where the fuel economy was better in the Power Stroke and the exhaust brake was better in the Ram.

Link

[Grit_dog]

^Whats up with you two? Cats n dogs living in harmony now?

[FishOnOne]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
FISH your truck looks good! Kinda looks like mine with the "Golden Arches"

I'm a fan of two tone colored trucks.

[FishOnOne]

ford truck guy wrote:
Fish,

Did you need a shoe horn to get the Cummins in that >>>???? :B

It fits like a glove... Must be the reason it's been so reliable.

[Cummins12V98]

ford truck guy wrote:
Fish,

Did you need a shoe horn to get the Cummins in that >>>???? :B

That would be so DAMZ funny!!!

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

LOL, that is all new CP4 pumps and is one reason why it puts out higher pressure than the CP3 and even gen 1 CP4's on the older Ford's and GM's. I know Lavon(he actually made one of my tunes for my truck) and I know he hasn't had a 2020 PSD in his shop yet to even compare the two to know whether or not it turn more than the new 2020 PSD. So he is comparing to older CP4's which maxed out at 29,000 psi and Ford used every bit of that pressure(to make more power). The old CP3 Cummins maxed out at 29,000 psi, but Cummins only used 26,000 psi.

It also appears that I was incorrect on it being a CP4-27. From the looks at it from Bosch's website, the Ford and Cummins is the CP4-25 variant which maxes out at 2,500 bar or 36,000 psi. However, Cummins only utilizes 29,000 psi from the pump and Ford uses all 36,000 psi of it's max pressure. The CP4-27 is for larger engines.

LINK

Cummins increased the rpm of the CP4.2 to increase fuel volume in a 29k psi configuration compared to the Ford and GM which ran at a lower rpm. Also I'm pretty sure the 2020 Power Stroke didn't increase the rpm of the CP4.2.

So you are basing on this assumptions(aka blind faith) from what Lavon stated in his video, and not verified facts. You are assuming that Lavon is talking about all CP4 pumps from 2011-2020, and not just the gen one that both GM and Ford shared. I am willing to bet that he is only comparing the gen 2 CP4 on the Cummins to the gen 1 versions of of the CP4 found in the 2011-2014 Fords and 2011-2016 GMs. The Gen 2 had a longer stroke (which requires it to spin faster) which Ford went to in 2015. In fact, I needed to call him about a shift revision for my tune anyways so I can verify tomorrow.

Good grief... spin it however you like.

You mean the opposite of the way you are spinning it. At least I won't be going off of assumptions when I talk to him tomorrow.

[ford_truck_guy]

Fish,

Did you need a shoe horn to get the Cummins in that >>>???? :B

[Cummins12V98]

FISH your truck looks good! Kinda looks like mine with the "Golden Arches"