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Damage after a tire blow out

makavas
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Hello,

Just wanted to start of by saying i'm brand new to travel trailers and have been learning lots in the past 2 weeks. Me and my girlfriend purchased 2013 Jayco Jay Flight SLX so we went out last week dry camping had a great time. Did the same thing this weekend and on the way home our tire literally blew and damaged the trailer. Tires looked new so have no idea what would be the cause (not weight) maybe we ran something over. Anyways, I'm hoping someone can lead me in the right direction fixing this.. what materials I would need etc. or I shouldn't even attempt this my self. Please advise and thank you for all the help!

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93Cobra2771
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Looking on Redwoods site, only tires are see listed are G rated or an H rated as an option. No mention of LT.

Looked through New Horizons site and found no mention of LT tires as standard or optional.

Are these options that are dealer added, or perhaps simply not listed on the website? Not trying to be combative here, just trying to inform myself for possible future purchases.
Richard White
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dodge_guy
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Redwood RV.
New Horizons is another brand!
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93Cobra2771
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I'd be willing to bet there are no tire manufacturers recommending LT tires over ST tires for trailer applications. Legally speaking, makes no sense for them to do so.

Out of curiosity, which fifth wheel manufacturers are supplying their product with LT tires? Seems like that would be a legal issue in the case of a blowout/wreck "X product was delivered from the factory with non trailer tires and caused X incident". Not saying that has happened, just trying to make sense of it.

Just throwing that out there, as it seems odd to me.
Richard White
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dodge_guy
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You guys do know that most of the large, heavy, full time fifth wheels come standard with LT tires! Even some TH's come standard with them. If I could've gotten a set of LT "E" tires in a 15" size I would have. I would have to go to a 16" rim to get an "E" rated LT tire. I'm happy with my Carlisle ST's and will continue to use them.

There is nothing wrong with an LT tire on a trailer. Carlisles facts are a bit biased though, as they want you to buy their trailer tires!
Wife Kim
Son Brandon 17yrs
Daughter Marissa 16yrs
Dog Bailey

12 Forest River Georgetown 350TS Hellwig sway bars, BlueOx TrueCenter stabilizer

13 Ford Explorer Roadmaster Stowmaster 5000, VIP Tow>
A bad day camping is
better than a good day at work!

ReneeG
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fatboy66 wrote:
donn0128 wrote:
Heat and speed kill most ST trailer tires. How fast were you going?


That's not what he asked.


The OP did state that he wondered what could've caused the blow-out.
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Majja13
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I had this happen not to long after I purchased my tt used. And remember the previous owner said he had replace one of the tires due to it going flat the previous season. I decided to just replace them all and did so with Maxxis ST's and really like them. They have very small balancing weights to balance them. I try to keep my speeds at 65 or below since I get better MPG. Ordered through discount tire. I also religiously check the pressure before I leave to tow in both directions, and always do at least a visual/ thump test when I stop to get gas.
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fatboy66
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donn0128 wrote:
Heat and speed kill most ST trailer tires. How fast were you going?


That's not what he asked.

PeteK-Hou
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4X4Dodger wrote:
I check my inflation with a gauge before I start from home or campground everytime. COLD. I inflate to the Maximum cold inflation marked on the tire. I also walk around my entire rig every time I stop for fuel or any other reason and one of the points I check is a visual on all the tires and wheels.


I also check inflation EVERYTIME I take the TT out and before heading home. Also, I carry one of these and check the tire temps on the TT whenever I stop for gas or otherwise. All I'm looking for is consistency in temps on the tires. You'll know pretty quickly if something is starting to go wrong if tire temps aren't within a few degrees of each other. I also check the temps on the wheel hubs to see if the brakes may be dragging. It's quick and easy.
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samhain7
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4X4Dodger:
When I replace my tires, you right there have made my decision for me.
Great informative posts!
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93Cobra2771
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Don't muddy this discussion with facts. Especially from a tire manufacturer. What they heck do they know? 😄
Richard White
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4X4Dodger
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B.O. Plenty wrote:
gmw photos wrote:
Note to the original poster: everybody is beating around the bush here. Let's cut to the chase: junk the crummy ST tires, and do not replace them with yet more junk ST tires. Buy LT tires, and then go drive at normal highway speeds, and not worry.
Lets make it simple:
ST= junk
LT = good

EDIT: if those are the typical 205/75-14, then what I did was went to a 185-14 Kumho 857. This a commercial LT tire, in a load range D, that is marketed for trailer use also. Tire rack sells them. They work well.
Totally agree. Get rid of the junk tires!

B.O.


Here is an excerpt from a Carlisle Transportation Group information paper: It clearly and succinctly puts forth the facts about ST tires. Please stop passing off your opinions as fact. You do everyone a disservice when you replace Facts with MYTHS.

The entire paper can be read at:

http://www.carlisletransportationproducts.com/cms_files/original/Trailer_Tires__Tips_Best_Practices.pdf

Trailer tire requirements differ greatly from automotive or light truck tires. Trailer tires are designated “ST” for Special Trailer tires.

Automotive tires are designated “P” for Passenger or “LT” for Light
Truck and are not designed for trailer use. Passenger or truck tires,
with their more flexible sidewalls, can result in trailer sway problems.

The stiffer, heavy duty sidewalls of ST tires are designed to control
and reduce sway problems. Trailer sway is dangerous at higher
speeds, with top heavy loads or on vehicles with inadequate
tongue weight.

– Trailer tires are designed for use on trailer axle positions only.
– Do not use P Passenger or LT Light Truck automotive tires
on trailers.
– Do not use ST trailer tires on passenger cars or light trucks.
– An "LT" designation, when shown on a trailer tire size specifies load range only, it is not designed for use on light trucks.

The ST Difference

The construction, design, materials and testing used in ST Special
Trailer tires meet the higher load requirements, duty cycles and
special demands of trailering.
– Polyester cords in an ST tire are bigger than in a comparable P or
LT tire.
– Steel cords used in ST tires have a larger diameter and greater
tensile strength to meet additional load requirements.
– ST tire rubber compounds contain chemicals to resist weather and
ozone cracking, particularly conditions resulting from extended
storage and the unusual duty cycles of trailer tires.
– The slightly shallower tread depth of a trailer tire reduces sway and
rides cooler, which adds to tire longevity.
– ST tires feature stiffer sidewalls, especially in the lower
section which:
– Reduces sidewall flexing causing the trailer to track straighter.
– Diminishes the risk of trailer sway.
– Lessens the risk of sidewall puncture and blowout.
– ST tires generally offer approximately 10% percent more load
capacity than a similar LT tire and nearly 40% more than a passenger tire.

69_Avion
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Walaby wrote:
JIMNLIN wrote:

Good advice for anyone.
I would add the net search brings up all types of forums (RV and non RV) that use some type of trailer. Its not a pretty picture.
For all new folks I would suggest http://www.rvtiresafety.com/.

Roger has pages of LT vs ST in his blog. He eliminates lots of myth on the subject that we see on RV forum mostly.


Wow.. Just read some of Roger's articles. Very interesting, and at the same time, easy to get information overload. Bottom line from what I gathered, is there are a lot of variables that affect how a tire performs and just "blaming" brand"x", or "assuming" equal weight distribution across all four tires (in dual axle config)without valid information or facts can give you a false sense of security.

Reading his article on individual tire load/weight makes me want to re-weight my trailer at the local CAT scales. I've weighed it twice now, but I will probably at least get individual axle weight for the trailer itself. Not sure I can get individual tire weight. My travel trailer is configured how I intend on hauling (having just got back this weekend). So, at least, at a min, I will have individual axle weight and can make some educated judgements based on that.

All I can say is there are a lot of variables that contribute to tire failure. And I tend to want to believe someone like Robert, who has 40+ years of experience in the tire industry.

Mike


If you have leaf spring tandem axles with the equalizer, your two axles should be carrying approximately the same weight. That is what the equalize does.
If you have rubber torsion axles, the weight can vary significantly, expecially when going over bumps.
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ReneeG
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Mark, Yes Roger Marble is excellent and is very responsive to your emails to him. When our tire blew, or I thought it was, I sent him pictures and he said it was a tread separation as a result of old age, under inflation or both and he was right. I am definitely a follower of his.
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Dave & Renee plus (Champ, Molly, Paris, Missy, and Maggie in spirit), Mica, Mabel, and Melton

Walaby
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JIMNLIN wrote:

Good advice for anyone.
I would add the net search brings up all types of forums (RV and non RV) that use some type of trailer. Its not a pretty picture.
For all new folks I would suggest http://www.rvtiresafety.com/.

Roger has pages of LT vs ST in his blog. He eliminates lots of myth on the subject that we see on RV forum mostly.


Wow.. Just read some of Roger's articles. Very interesting, and at the same time, easy to get information overload. Bottom line from what I gathered, is there are a lot of variables that affect how a tire performs and just "blaming" brand"x", or "assuming" equal weight distribution across all four tires (in dual axle config)without valid information or facts can give you a false sense of security.

Reading his article on individual tire load/weight makes me want to re-weight my trailer at the local CAT scales. I've weighed it twice now, but I will probably at least get individual axle weight for the trailer itself. Not sure I can get individual tire weight. My travel trailer is configured how I intend on hauling (having just got back this weekend). So, at least, at a min, I will have individual axle weight and can make some educated judgements based on that.

All I can say is there are a lot of variables that contribute to tire failure. And I tend to want to believe someone like Robert, who has 40+ years of experience in the tire industry.

Mike
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JIMNLIN
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gmw photos wrote:
To the original poster, as always a tire thread has taken on it's usual life of opinions, arguments, etc. I would simply say: do your own research. Do internet searches for things like ST vs LT tires, ST tire failures, LT tire failures, etc. Look around over on the Airstream forums ( airforums ), there is a lot of lively discussion of it there.
I would also suggest you physically take a look at some dismounted ST tires and comparable sized LT tires, and see if you can "feel" the difference in the sidewall construction.
It's your money, and your trailer, so you need to make your own decision as to what might work better for your trailering situation.

Best of luck to you, and happy camping. See you on the road.

Good advice for anyone.
I would add the net search brings up all types of forums (RV and non RV) that use some type of trailer. Its not a pretty picture.
For all new folks I would suggest http://www.rvtiresafety.com/.

Roger has pages of LT vs ST in his blog. He eliminates lots of myth on the subject that we see on RV forum mostly.
"good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" ............ Will Rogers

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