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F150 3.15 axle 10 speed equals 3.55 axle 6 speed

atwowheelguy
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With my '13 F150 3.5 EB 3.55 having just surpassed 100k miles, I started glancing at what's available these days. It is my only caged vehicle, I haul grandchildren, I occasionally need to squeeze it into a parking deck, and I tow a toy hauler that at various times weighs 6600-7200 lbs. Therefore the 3.5 EB Supercrew 5.5 ft. bed 145" wheelbase configuration is the one that best fits my needs.

I notice that for '17, only two axle ratios are available for that configuration with the 3.5 EB, the 3.15 and the 3.55. In '13 it was available with four axle ratios: 3.15, 3.31, 3.55 and 3.73. I ended up with a 3.55. The spread from 1st to 6th on the six speed is 604%. The spread from 1st to 10th on the ten speed is 744%.

I also note that the GCWR for my '13 3.55 six speed is 15,300 with a max trailer of 9,800, whereas the GCWR for the '17 3.15 ten speed is 15,800 with a max trailer of 10,700. The advantage is the 10 speed transmission in the '17, plus the '17 has a little more power. They have almost the exact same first gear final drive ratio.

My current wet and loaded camper weighs 6,640 (68% of 9,800 max trailer) which results in a GCW of 12,500 (82% of the GCWR) and the '13 tows it with no sweat. It's at 94% of GVWR, having used up 71% of its payload. I'll be looking at the 3.15 axle with the 10 speed for the next one to tow as well as the 3.55 six speed and get a little better highway mileage when not towing (19% fewer revs per mile in high gear). I give the Ford engineers an "attaboy" for this one.








2013 F150 XLT SCrew 5.5' 3.5 EB, 3.55, 2WD, 1607# Payload, EAZ Lift WDH
Toy Hauler: 2010 Fun Finder XT-245, 5025# new, 6640-7180# loaded, 900# TW, Voyager wireless rear view camera
Toys: '66 Super Hawk, XR400R, SV650, XR650R, DL650 V-Strom, 525EXC, 500EXC
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atwowheelguy
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DutchmenSport wrote:
Too technical, too many numbers, gives me a headache just looking at it. But glad you understand it all!

My simple solution would be to just get an F350 duly and forget the weights and gears and ratios and tow happy!


Good idea, but I don't think I can fit one into the parking deck and 85% of my miles are not towing.
2013 F150 XLT SCrew 5.5' 3.5 EB, 3.55, 2WD, 1607# Payload, EAZ Lift WDH
Toy Hauler: 2010 Fun Finder XT-245, 5025# new, 6640-7180# loaded, 900# TW, Voyager wireless rear view camera
Toys: '66 Super Hawk, XR400R, SV650, XR650R, DL650 V-Strom, 525EXC, 500EXC

WNYBob
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Rjstractor said
"Good analysis, you "get it" when it comes to axle gearing, transmission gearing and engine characteristics and how they relate."

I relate because I had an old AMC Hornet. It had a Ford block, GM emission controls and a Chrysler trany. When it shifted from 2 to 3 (only 3 gears) it almost died. The power output curve vs trany input power curve clashed, and then the emission system kicked in. To keep the thing moving I disabled part ot the emissions control.

So how does this relate to the OP's post, the curves make a great deal of difference and the engineers must consider and match things properly. By the way I would not get the first year of this combo, to get miles on the combo to test it out.

BenK
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Justification to purchase a newer truck ?

If so, cool...go for it...it's your money...

If me (note I keep mine for decades) for less $$$...on my list are 4.54's or 4.88's on both diiferentials and an over drive with OD 0.7 or 0.6 or 0.5 ratios with a splitter function...for the day a gosh darn have to rebuild the 7.4L into a "built" 7.4L

Thought about 5.13's, but that negates the double OD and gets back close to the current OD of 3.0...so 4.88's begets 2.85'sfinal double OD

That will then provide the type of close ratio gearing the current &a next gen trucks have...my 4 speed automatic will become an 8 speed with a double OD and a lower first gear.

Plus a kit to manually switch to 4x4 lock...giving compound low with the above ratios to maneuver a trailer around a difficult camp ground

Gotta say too many view and talk about these things without looking at the whole system, but only sections of the whole...like just the diff ratio without the up stream gear ratios that factor the diff ratio...or that any gear ratio other than 1:1 is a torque multiplier by the ratio in question..
-Ben Picture of my rig
1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...

theoldwizard1
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DutchmenSport wrote:
Too technical, too many numbers, gives me a headache just looking at it. But glad you understand it all!

Just the opposite ! I LOVE all the details !!!


I can't wait until we get a "seat of the pants" review !

time2roll
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Nomad
I would still take a 4.10/4.30 any day of the week.

rjstractor
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Nomad
Good analysis, you "get it" when it comes to axle gearing, transmission gearing and engine characteristics and how they relate. Many guys get fixated on the rear axle only and ignore the fact that it's only part of the equation. They probably don't realize that many of the OTR trucks on the highway have rear axle ratios in the 2.70-3.00 range and those work because of lots of transmission ratios being available as well as flat power curves.
2017 VW Golf Alltrack
2000 Ford F250 7.3

DutchmenSport
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Too technical, too many numbers, gives me a headache just looking at it. But glad you understand it all!

My simple solution would be to just get an F350 duly and forget the weights and gears and ratios and tow happy!