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Re: Will a 3/4 ton do
Thought the point if these rv.net forums was to advise those asking for help...not going into the weeds on HOW2 circumvent the OEM ratings... Of which am likewise guilty... Came over here while still owning a Suburban forum and many asked about XYZ & ABC, which felt was not applicable to forum members situation Forum was taken over by spammers and not enough offered to contribute for better software, so shut it down474Views0likes0CommentsRe: Will a 3/4 ton do
And why have been saying that anyone who asks does NOT understand and best to advise them to go by the OEM's specifications/ratings. Go out and weigh it all, axle by axle and then do the simple math Shiner...thanks for the details. Knew most of that from a broader point and your details are very good. Made a copy for my reference Also have been saying for years and years to use the OEM's ratings instead of the marketing nomenclature...but that again is too confusing to those who have to ask... OEMs sell many more vehicles to those who bought the wrong one... Grit...that boss is a pure bean counter manager and the legislators who writeup the laws governing this stuff usually are clueless. They should stick to counting beans and stay away from science & technology based topics PA12DRVR...your story reminds of a buddy who was in the Navy during the 60's-70's and told of what they told him if they ever 'heard' steam escaping. Invisible and that stream was hot enough & escaping fast enough to cut a body in half...told to take a broom and wave it slooowly around and found when the broom was cut in half...don't know how true that one was All things engineered/designed/etc are not for the good days, but for the Mr Murphy moment and for the Idiot Gorilla who will misuse whatever they have...taught to me early in my designing career. Seems today's designers are never taught that475Views0likes0CommentsRe: Will a 3/4 ton do
Wish there was a like button... What would happen to the operators of that crane if they went over rated load ? Even though they knew the posted load rating...know the answer and rhetorically asking for the group First career was in industrial motor controls and one market sector was cranes (material handling). Circa late 60's to mid 80's Know they had engraved metal ratings labels riveted to the crane, operators cab and on the pendent controller Our computers would have recorded, sounded an alarm at each overload attempt and refused to move after a preset number of trys. Some required a keyed reset after reaching those numbers of trys...this is why said pretty soon, OEMs will control more to all ratings like they now do with ICE rev limiters Nuclear and military had more onerous notifications and margins vs civilian of the exact same mechanicals...though they often had locational requirement in the +/- 0.03 inch at some tonnage, which had additional mechanicals, etc Prefer stout's or porter's ford truck guy wrote: Tire ratings / axle ratings are just like Over Head Crane ratings.. They are rated to a certain rating with a safety factor on top of that.. They POST the rate based on every day usage.. Most people will see that they can carry XXX amount of weight and go full Hog till they cant.. I can assure you, If they rated our overhead cranes to 15 ton instead of 10 ton, we would be lifting 15T every day, all day... in a nut shell - There is a safety factor built into EVERYTHING with a MAX capacity.. just how much = ??436Views0likes0CommentsRe: Will a 3/4 ton do
Exactly and is more of OPs waiting for what they want to hear... Selective adherence to ratings...even the most anti-rating advisors revere some ratings mkirsch wrote: But if the numbers don't matter, then why do the numbers on the tires matter? Asking for a friend.443Views0likes0CommentsRe: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !
Tusk is off chasing other bright, shining situations to continue micro managing the Cyber-copy...nor the semi Turtle...all of my guys said most are fearful of being fired on the spot, so everyone ducked and never told him the truth...except my guys...who all quit in time 10 gauge is on the line between sheetmetal and plate...wonder how big those brakes are to stop within NHTSA braking minimums... Did notice the reduction of the Cyber-copy wiper arm...but, now looking like the swept area might not clear vision for a tall driver...542Views0likes0CommentsRe: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !
Am assuming Tusk also learned from that same Model 3 fiasco that True Dimensional Tolerancing played huge in that robot not being able to bolt the body to the skateboard pan One part from a 'well maintained' stamping vs crafted & assembled from many parts has tighter tolerances My guys quit during that fiasco (couldn't take Tusk's micromanagement and always claiming he was right and my guys wrong) and are now working down the road in Newark...my previous company's automated factory and is now Lucid's HQ Grit dog wrote: snip... How ironic. Not that this is not new technology....most all vehicle panels and uni bodies are stamped. Along with 100s of other parts in ANY vehicle. But moreso, just hilarious that a vehicle that looks like the product of a high school sheet metal class or a very nice rendering of a Pinewood Derby Car, that the body panels could literally be made with a brake and a shear, is garnering the fascination of ole Elon8.1!343Views0likes0CommentsRe: Will a 3/4 ton do
If TV's fell out of the sky from going over ratings like airplanes would, then both the regulatory folks and owner/drivers would think differently...because when a TV is over and breaks or some such...they just roll to a stop on the side of the road Ditto other types of people movers. We were in the ski lift business for years (late 60's to early 70's), until lawsuits became outrageous & jury's applied 'current' safety standards to systems built, installed & approved/certified years to decades ago. Resort owners cutting budget & went over the ratings to have components run too hot, towers getting bent (they bypassed the cable derail sensors) and more spoon059 wrote: BurbMan wrote: You obviously know more about trucks than I do...I do not know for a fact that the axles on a 2500 and 3500 are the same. I only posted the results from my trip to the scale and compared them to the ratings on my truck and the ratings published for a 2500. I've been contributing to this forum since 2001, 11+ years before you joined, so if anybody is trolling it's you. The OP asked a question about weights and you're trying your best to turn this into an argument. I believe that ratings are there for a reason, you obviously think they are concocted for political reasons have have no basis in fact. As my Dad used to say, "You're entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be." The ratings are for warranty and registration purposes only. You can register a Tacoma to 14,000 lbs and load it up and be perfectly LEGAL, though I doubt it would move very far. There used to be a larger mechanical difference between 3/4 and 1 ton trucks, but the manufacturers long ago realized that it is much cheaper and easier to put essenentially the same rolling chassis under either truck and change the spring pack and the sticker on the door to meet the DOT requirements for a class 2B truck. The spring pack is easy to overcome, with helper springs, Timbrens or air bags. The sticker can simply be ignored and your truck registered for whatever weights you are willing to pay. My Ram has AAM 11.5" axles in the rear. They are rated to 12,000 lbs by AAM, derated to 7,000 lbs for the 3500 and 6,500 lbs for the 2500 with 18" rims, and 6,000 for the 2500 with 17" rims. Same axle. The brakes, wheel studs, engine, transmission, rear differential, bumpers, bed, body, tires, radiator, etc are exactly the same. The frame is slightly different, just due to the shock mounts from the 2500 coil to the 3500 leaf. Ram rates the coils at 500 lbs lower than the leaf springs. If that 500 lbs worries someone, they can put bags or Timbrens to make up the difference. The only reason that truck manufacturers make a 3/4 ton these days is to get into the class 2B market, which only allows a vehicle a max GVWR of 10,000 lbs. You can by a Ford F350 with a 10,000 lbs sticker, does that make it any less capable than an identical F350 with an 11,500 sticker?412Views0likes0CommentsRe: Will a 3/4 ton do
Yup, expected it going this way and ask "why did the OEM's install computer control to limit over rev'ing" Then...would the OEM's now manage other ratings ? They have most of the "stuff" NOW in current vehicles Like the several threads here both asking and showing off an aftermarket gizmo that can measure & display how much is being towed just by plugging into the computer port with nothing else to be added or changed...though that vehicle has to be an automatic, not manual Ditto payload, but there needs to be an addition of strain gauges to both axles Then just software like the current...modern...Redline limiter so that there isn't a redline on tachometers anymore Another are speed limiters, torque limiters, etc If enough folks ignore OEM ratings that then drive up warranty & service costs...yup, the OEM's will do something Finally, tuners and their ability to circumvent OEM ratings...but the OEM's have the fed's there to police tuner firms Edit..yup, am an old guy at 74 this year Been retired over 20 years from careers in automation, robotics, process controls, computers, etc and all associated with military applications Funny to continue to find that the basic algorithms are still recognizable to me. Their logic, flow, bubble, truth tables, etc all look similar to those of my day Difference is that the stuff has gotten ever smaller and integrated612Views0likes0Comments
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