GMs new secret weapon......LOL

[The_Texan]

The better Silverado......

[Terryallan]

travelnutz wrote:
Buckeye Chuck,

"Why was that necessary?"

Perhaps Terryallen etc others will be finding out in the not very distant future. The competition's present or past technical and quality productive skills will only improve with time and the lure of increased profit potential from added customers and products produced.
!

Buck he's Prolly just trying to makes himself feel better.

I have a pretty good idea of what is going on. The company I work for is State of the art. The reason we have such great business, Is because we are the best, bar none, at what we do. Several of our processes are unique to our plant, Not just our company, but our plant. No one else does it. Why? Expense, Why do we do it that way.? Quality. Everything extra we do is because of quality. GM came back because they could NOT do what we can do. They tried. Bought their own ... factory to replace us. And they are back, with hat in hand, But they ain't the big dog in the house any more. But at least they did get in. Many other auto manufactures can't get in. Because we are just at our limit, until more machines, are purchased, and new buildings are built. Which BTW is happening as we speak.

Why do all these manufacturers want us? Because we are the best.
So. Do I want GM to do well. Yep. They help pay the bills. I want all our customers to do well. And I'm glad that GM is finally upgrading some of their line.

Come on down. You'll see what the future looks like. And remember. If you have a American branded car. Or even some foreign ones, If it moves when you put it in gear. Could be because of me.
BTW. I could tell y'all who I work for. But they don't like their name bandied about on social media. But I guess I could tell you. I did work for GETRAG. And if you know the Auto industry. You know GETRAG.

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

Travelnutz,Chrysler has not been sold three times. There was the "Merger of Equals" when that POS know nothing Bob Eaton merged us with Damn-Lire. Who by the way was cash poor before the merger but soon and a major cash infusion thanks to Chrysler. Good ole Bobby Boy received a $100,000,000.00 buy out for him to step down. He only had 9 months left on his contract and he could have been let go for not a penny. Think maybe there was a little per merger negotiation in place? Lee Iaccoca told the Board that if they put Bobby Boy in charge Chrysler would be doomed and he was right. After D-L ran Chrysler into the ground they took what they wanted and sold us to the Hell-Hound's. As for the Bankruptcy I do believe your great GMC was in the Court Room right next door with us TN. We where forced through Bankruptcy both GM nor Chrysler wanted it.

As for the rest of your post it don't hold water my friend, when CEO's are being paid hundreds of millions in pay, options and benefits plus their golden parachutes they all have then nope sorry not buying it. By the way for someone that claims poverty you sure are living the high life TN. Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

Don

[lbrjet]

This was my post so ya I pulled the trigger and stand by it. I think Americans working in the USA to supply American companies is a good thing. You can think whatever you want.

"Nutz should be applauding an American, working for an American company, supplying an American auto company rather than slamming him. What has this country come to."

[travelnutz]

Don,

Are you saying that the way our business laws and regulations have stymied manufacturing in the USA is not drastic overkill the rest of the world doesn't enjoy and that it hasn't ruined our business climate? Please, start your own business and learn something for a change! Watch the easy money flow in day after day and you get to keep it, well maybe just a small protion of it after many years if you are very successful. Why is it that hourly workers think all the milk and honey is flowing free on the other side of the fence they see in their minds? You just don't know how good you have it, my boy! Work your hours and go home and receive your paycheck like clockwork every pay period. Luckily, your employer has this never depleting huge money tree out back and they're set for life. Chrysler needs you to be their financial director and then after your great success, you can become the CEO of Chrysler if Fiat Sergio allows it.

Yes, our manufacturers are simply floating in money and have been floating in huge vats of hundreds of millions of dollars just laying around constantly. Of course, that's why there are so many that have gone out of business or simply bankrupt. Gee whiz, it must have forgotten about that fact! BTW, did Chrysler file bankruptcy and were they sold 3 times so far? Why if the corporation was making hundreds of millions a year did the darn fools file bankruptcy and why was it sold at a loss repeatedly? I can't wait for your answers. This is going to be GOOD!

[travelnutz]

Not superior however I do the actual research and have been an active part of the transition scenarios on both sides you are referring to in your post. Shooting from the hip using a bent barrel given to you isn't going to be to great for hitting many bullseyes or maybe even the target itself. Doesn't matter who or how the barrel had gotten bent. You are the one who pulled the trigger. Find out the true details so you can be much more accurate and actually shoot straight.

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

Travelnutz my point was that saying "Priced and regulated out of being competitive with and in the world market place we are a part of." the reason you are regulated to death is because without regulation our planet would be a giant cesspool. The businessmen are to blame for that not the government.

I would love to see more things made here in the good ole USA but until the big boys decide they don't need to make hundreds of millions a year it is not going to happen.

Don

[lbrjet]

I guess my mistake was responding to such a superior being as yourself, Nutz. I guess sarcasm eludes you(Duh), but when in doubt slam the poster.

[BenK]

It seems a never ending 'them' against 'us' discussion when it comes to outsourcing...

Get over it, it has been done and going to continue

Just take the clothes on anyone's back, and that includes shoes. Even some of
my 'good' clothes are no longer made in the Americas

Ditto that for most any appliance in anyone's home or office. The computer or
smartphone you post here with is most likely made off shore, the majority of it's
components made and/or assembled off shore

Betcha most will be from '3rd' world sources.

There is a for sure 'crash and burn' for most of those 3rd world suppliers, as
they have grown so fast, that they either did not have or what they had isn't up
to the task in regards for safety. Both their regulatory agencies and
the general population's awareness to demand it

Safety as in for the individual and the environment. They are running down the
same paths the Western world used, albeit at a much faster pace.

Anyone remember the 'Love Canal' ? There are places in both India and China that
makes our Love Canal look like a park...

Voice it to the corporate managers and the biggie Wall Street, where most of
this bottom line mentality comes from.

[travelnutz]

Don,

Who do you think buys the products those so called 3rd world countries make? Blame them for making what people want and buy and doing it at a lower cost? WHY? What would you do if you were in their shoes? Think about it! Compete or fail, close, give up, or learn to actually be competitive! Lots of choices.

The USA and Canada combined having less than 3% of the world's 7 billion population is only a small part of the world's pollution issues. Talk about the end of a dog's tail trying to wave the dog! I see they have you brainwashed also!

We are all on the same planet and there's no option to leave for another. Besides, my post addressed manufacturing labor/benefit costs and actual manufacturing regulatory encumbrances in place against the American vehicle manufacturers that the competition around most of the rest of the world do not have to be dragging like the expensive anchor it is.

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

travelnutz wrote:
Not slamming any American worker as I want all manufactured products sold in America to be made in America. "What has this country come to." Are you blind? Priced and regulated out of being competitive with and in the world market place we are a part of. How do you think that was allowed to happen anyway? We are not the "island" in the sky scenario and haven't been for 25+ years.


Are the trees blocking your ability the see the forest? OR Have you been brainwashed? Open your eyes and look around you, go to the stores and see where the goods are made, better not look at the label of your clothes for where made, lately checked where much of the food you eat is grown, talked to a bankcard or credit card rep or about any info source? Not even going to mention vehicles driven here as they were once nearly ALL American made. 60 years ago all televisions were made in the USA, today none and everyone has from 1-6 or more of them. How do you think we lost all those jobs? Most intelligent people know! Be truely competitve or get lost is screaming at us every single day but so many have their earplugs shoved in deep and tight!



Well, just push your head down deeper into the sand a everything will become so much better, right?

So do you want to go back to the good ole days, when companies dumped waste in streams, rivers, lakes and the ocean? Buried toxic waste in land fills. The American Business owner by his greed brought this onto himself! Why have companies moved off shore because third world countries don't care how you dispose of the waste as long as your paying them (the government) off. That is why they moved.

Don

[The_Texan]

GM = American

Ford = American

Chrysler = American

Fiat = NOT American

Absolutely NO reason to include a foreigner in the equation, which he didn't with the OP. If he had, then Toyota and Honda, both with factories in the US would have appeared, but he kept the post to AMERICAN based or founded companies.

[travelnutz]

Not slamming any American worker as I want all manufactured products sold in America to be made in America. "What has this country come to." Are you blind? Priced and regulated out of being competitive with and in the world market place we are a part of. How do you think that was allowed to happen anyway? We are not the "island" in the sky scenario and haven't been for 25+ years.

Are the trees blocking your ability the see the forest? OR Have you been brainwashed? Open your eyes and look around you, go to the stores and see where the goods are made, better not look at the label of your clothes for where made, lately checked where much of the food you eat is grown, talked to a bankcard or credit card rep or about any info source? Not even going to mention vehicles driven here as they were once nearly ALL American made. 60 years ago all televisions were made in the USA, today none and everyone has from 1-6 or more of them. How do you think we lost all those jobs? Most intelligent people know! Be truely competitve or get lost is screaming at us every single day but so many have their earplugs shoved in deep and tight!

Well, just push your head down deeper into the sand a everything will become so much better, right? AND, you ask: "What has this country come to?" DUH!

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

travelnutz wrote:
Buckeye Chuck,

"Why was that necessary?"

Perhaps Terryallen etc others will be finding out in the not very distant future. The competition's present or past technical and quality productive skills will only improve with time and the lure of increased profit potential from added customers and products produced. Not sure you have any knowledge as to what's in the works but some on this forum do. Just because these or a supplier made some errors in the past does not mean they will go away and nearly all will return and soon doing the job right. They wiil not stay as the "new" kid on the block and it's too late after one's job is actually gone or diminished or has been replaced by that once labled "poor quality supplier" who now produces superior quality at a much lower cost!

All successful manufacturer's in every country learn from and by their past mistakes. The clock is ticking and getting ever closer to that wakeup call. Instead of bragging and blowing your horn to the choir, put you voice and efforts into being more competitive in the world and produce even higher quality in every part or product you touch. Doing that alone keeps the door nearly shut tightly for a foot thru the door for foreign/offshore outsourcing.

It'a a world economy and it's not going away! How many times do our country's workers and manufacturers have to be bopped on the head with the reality they have wittnessed for many years now before the message actually sinks in? Sink or swim and fast because the skark is closing in on you! Stay tuned!

Arn't you a "tier supplier" also? Seems to me you have said many times that you are. Still waiting to hear wha Company you own. Care to tell one and all?

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

travelnutz wrote:
If you do the research you find these numbers and facts:

Number of employees per corporation of the Big 3 in year 2012. Rounded off to the nearest thousand world wide and in the USA, nearest hundred in Mexico.

GM:

205,000 world wide --- GM has 157 plants/locations

96,000 in the USA

11,300 in Mexico


Ford:

166,000 world wide --- Ford has 70 plants/locations

54,000 in the USA

10,800 in Mexico


Chrysler:

59,000 world wide --- Chrysler has 25 plants/locations

37,000 in USA

14,300 in Mexico
I noticed you forgot (this time) about Fiat. If you are going to include ALL of GM's gobble alliances then maybe you should fix this.

Yes Chrysler/Fiat are a little smaller then GM but that can be a LARGE benefit in lean times as GM found out the hard way. Not staring a pi$$ing match here just post the true facts and not the facts as you want them to look.

Some web sites list hourly only and others include all management. My list includes total direct employment for all three corporations only. Does not include any supplier employment.

[lbrjet]

Buckeye Chuck wrote:
NECESSITY IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION! There are a lot of jobs that are gone forever. GM, Ford,Chrysler found it NECISARRY to trim Fat in order to stay in business. Many of those jobs are gone forever. Unemployment rates will be very slow to recover because of this. Don't base the recovery solely on unemployment rates.

Travelnutz said "I wouldn't do so much bragging if I were you! Each tier step down gets easier to replace and that you can take to the bank instead of a paycheck!" Why was that necessary?

I agree Buckeye. Nutz should be applauding an American, working for an American company, supplying an American auto company rather than slamming him. What has this country come to.