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Is there a QUALITY Travel Trailer still built?

bbaley
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I have new Keystone Cougar TT and I am sick of it.
There is nothing about it that doesn't scream "I am going to break or fall apart in a few more miles"

I previously had an R-Vision which was built 300% better than this,
and previous to that a Fleetwood Tent Trailer - also built really really well.

Sadly, even though made in my home state, this thing just stinks.
Everything is flimsy, half completed junk work done by some guy who didn't care late on Friday afternoon, and components chosen to save pennies.

Is there anything in the functional world of travel trailers (e.g. not Airstream) that isn't complete JUNK ?

I am ready to trade.
Our Equipment:
2015 Dodge Ram 2500 Outdoorsman Pkg Cummmins 6.7
2016 Keystone Cougar 26rbiwe
2012 model golden retriever
2007 model Chiweenie
Scott/Sage Fly Rods (3wt thru 8wt)
Newer than antique models navigator and driver.
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bigrigfixer
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We've had two Keystone trailers and a Forest River since 2014. First was a Springdale. I loved it, but the wife felt cramped. Traded that in on a Greywolf the next year. Wife loved the floorplan, but I found that the quality just wasn't there. That one got damaged in a fire, so with our insurance payout we got our current Keystone, a '16 Hideout 26BHSWE. We're on our 4th weekend trip with it right now, and we're both totally satisfied. Except for me, I'd rather not have a slide, but as we all know, if we want to keep our sanity, we have to concede some things to the wife.
2009 F150 XLT Supercrew
2016 Hideout 26BHSWE

4Kellys
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We also looked at several different Keystone models on a lot and every one had something loose or falling apart on them. After we sold our motor home we bought a Nash trailer. Owned it for a few months and took it to Canada and back. No problems other than a it was too small for our needs. After that we wanted a fifth wheel and had narrowed it down to a Fox Mountain (Northwoods) or a Jayco Eagle HT until we ran our numbers and realized we didn't have enough truck. We ultimately settled on a Wind River TT made by Outdoor RV and are happy with it. They and Nash are made in Oregon. You can go to their factories and see how they're made for yourself! Good luck!

sher9570
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It's frustrating for sure, we bought a new HR Presidential in 2006, we spend every winter in Florida with it and travel New England in the summer.
We have had zero problems with it, some things have been replaced by our choice.
We got rid of both recliners, I bought a Euro chair and we bought a cabinet for the other space that serves as a mini office.
We did have to replace the street side window awning cause it became brittle.
We took out the carpet and replace it with wood look vinyl.
Nothing that was built by HR has failed us.
We've looked at new just because and the interiors are beautiful but I can't justify upgrading when this one is still problem free.
One that did interest me was Grand Design Reflection but I don't think we'll pull the trigger on that one either.

Sher
Doug & Sher
2006 HR Presidential 34'
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T18skyguy
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If Tiffin would take the Breeze, and turn it into a travel trailer, I'd buy it. Now that would be nice I think.
Retired Anesthetist. LTP. Pilot with mechanic/inspection ratings. Between rigs right now.. Wife and daughter. Four cats which we must obey.

temccarthy1
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bedonia2 wrote:
No quality on the Keystone. We bought a 2009 Cougar a few months ago. The shower leaks all over the floor. The steps up to the trailer got a big rip in the metal holding them up. There was no cabinet space--we had to put shelves in all the cabinets. The outside decals/labels/stencils are all peeling off. The front outside skin of the trailer is delaminating. It has bubbles and wrinkles in it. I don't know how we are going to fix that. There was only one electrical outlet in the kitchen -- except for one more on the floor. The awning tore off the first time we traveled in it. I would not recommend a keystone trailer!



You cannot condemn Keystone as a total parent co. They make many different brands, price points and quality levels. First of all your TT is 7 years old so already approaching its max lifespan so expect issues. !
I have a 2014 Keystone Bullet Ultralight and have ZERO issues and complaints. I have seen many Bullet threads on this site and they are ALL positive! It sounds like you have multiple issues and yet have only had it a few months you stated? Did you not see all these issues when you went to buy it?
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1982 Coleman Sun Valley PUP (retired)
2014 Keystone Bullet 285RLS Ultralite TT
2013 Ford Expedition XLT 5.4L Triton V8
Equalizer E2 hitch

cruz-in
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Not meaning to be critical, so please just take this as another opinion.

However, items like faucets breaking, I do blame the trailer manufacturer. They could have chosen higher quality faucets. Ditto on the front cap fading...should have sourced from a higher quality fiberglass shop...On both probably went with low bidder.

Don't mean this directed at Northwood. Just suing them as an example. Same applies to all other manufacturers.
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goducks10
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atreis wrote:
A lot of the fiberglass trailers are decently made - Scamp, Casita, BigFoot, EggCamper. Lance are decently well made. Northwood has had a good reputation in the past, but there appear t be some questions now. Haven't heard from someone that has one though. AirStream are still reasonably well made. (BTW - all of these brands have something in common - they're all significantly more expensive for a given size trailer. Yes - you do have to pay more to get a well made trailer - it's an industry who's primary cost is labor.)

My trailer isn't bad, but that's more luck than anything else. ๐Ÿ™‚ I think I got one made on Tuesday.


I have a 2013 Northwood Fox Mountain. I think I got in on the 1st or 2nd year of the down turn in quality. I will say that some of the issues aren't really all that bad as far as common issues go.
I had a very slight water leak at a manifold connection. Super easy to fix. The duct work that feeds the bedroom floor vent made noise when you stepped near that vent. Also an easy fix with some DIY duct from Home Depot.
Those are the only two issues that are Northwoods fault. I think that's a pretty good deal.
However we've had a few other minor/major issues that aren't Northwoods fault. Or you could say they are since they bought them and installed them.
The major issue is the front cap has faded. That's an industry wide problem. The kitchen and bath faucets broke. Again not Northwoods fault. The Shurflo water pump quit 11 months in. Northwood sent me a new one free of charge to install myself. The tech guy actually helped me via phone to do some circuit testing before he sent the new one.
I've had it for going on 4 seasons. Put roughly 10,000 miles on it. Nothing else has quit. All the cabinets are still solid. No cracks or anything. A few door hinge screws have loosened up. No biggy.
Over all we have been happy campers as far as the Northwood end goes. All elec, cable/sat, lights, fans, etc have all worked as planned.

Why do I think I got in on the early part of the quality down turn? Well prior to buying we looked around and Northwood seemed to make the perfect trailer. It seems that prior to 2013, most owners had very little problems either from outside products or from Northwood themselves. I don't consider the two issues concerning Northwoods assembly to be all that much of a problem in the industry wide realm of problems that others have. I think we are either lucky or something. But combining all the issues either caused buy Northwood or just being associated with Northwood we don't feel we have the perfect trailer we thought we would be getting.
The other problems like the faded front cap, faucets, water pump can happen to anyone. So maybe the thinking that Northwoods quality has dropped has more to do with outside purchases.
I know from reading on the NROA owners forum that others have had different issues than I've had. But from reading other brand forums I very rarely ever see big issues that are directly caused by Northwood.

bedonia2
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No quality on the Keystone. We bought a 2009 Cougar a few months ago. The shower leaks all over the floor. The steps up to the trailer got a big rip in the metal holding them up. There was no cabinet space--we had to put shelves in all the cabinets. The outside decals/labels/stencils are all peeling off. The front outside skin of the trailer is delaminating. It has bubbles and wrinkles in it. I don't know how we are going to fix that. There was only one electrical outlet in the kitchen -- except for one more on the floor. The awning tore off the first time we traveled in it. I would not recommend a keystone trailer!

atreis
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A lot of the fiberglass trailers are decently made - Scamp, Casita, BigFoot, EggCamper. Lance are decently well made. Northwood has had a good reputation in the past, but there appear t be some questions now. Haven't heard from someone that has one though. AirStream are still reasonably well made. (BTW - all of these brands have something in common - they're all significantly more expensive for a given size trailer. Yes - you do have to pay more to get a well made trailer - it's an industry who's primary cost is labor.)

My trailer isn't bad, but that's more luck than anything else. ๐Ÿ™‚ I think I got one made on Tuesday.
2021 Four Winds 26B on Chevy 4500

Dog_Trainer
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colliehauler
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ReferDog wrote:
N0' all about the same. They all use the same cheapest components, Lippert leading the way in junk. Bought an Artic Fox couple yrs ago same junk, now 10 yrs ago a good unit, had one.
That is disappointing to hear Artic Fox is going down that same road. I was planning on buying one for my next trailer. Their prices are already considerable higher then a lot of a other brands.

I bought a used 96 Gulfstream Seahawk in 98 and it was extremely well built. When I bought a new Gulfstream Streamlight in 2003 I was extremely disappointed with it and traded it after the first trip.

I know Gulfstream has burned their bridge with me and I won't buy another.

ReferDog
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N0' all about the same. They all use the same cheapest components, Lippert leading the way in junk. Bought an Artic Fox couple yrs ago same junk, now 10 yrs ago a good unit, had one.
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bbaley
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GrandpaKip wrote:
I apologize if I ruffled some feathers.


Nope - my feathers are still intact !
Our Equipment:
2015 Dodge Ram 2500 Outdoorsman Pkg Cummmins 6.7
2016 Keystone Cougar 26rbiwe
2012 model golden retriever
2007 model Chiweenie
Scott/Sage Fly Rods (3wt thru 8wt)
Newer than antique models navigator and driver.

westend
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hvac wrote:
Try looking at camplite trailers. Particularly those 2 years or older. Ours all aluminum. Top to bottom. Ours is incredibly durable. Thor bought them and cutting on quality. Same happened to Airstream. Too bad
Yeah, for most campers, an all-aluminum trailer is going to be the most durable.

Just from working on my old Starcraft, if the builders had the kind of sealants that are now available, the trailer would have been in totally usable condition after 40 years. What I inherited were leaks and rot along the seams of the aluminum roof. That is all fixed and Eternabond took care of the future,

I think if I bought a new trailer, I'd get on the roof and Eternabond everything immediately. That takes care of most leak issues, The interior and running gear is another matter. Good axles and bearings are available but usually sized too small for the weights carried. The interiors are typically vinyl sheet over press board or MDF. real poor choices for the way an RV is used.
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'71 Starcraft Wanderstar -- The Cowboy/Hilton

Trackrig
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gypsmjim wrote:
cruz-in wrote:
there seems to be a lot of variance trailer to trailer within each manufacturer...which is a sign of poor quality control...We have an Evergreen Toyhauler...very heavily built...we spent over 8 months in it with very few issues...However, we have chatted with others who have had all sorts of problems with Evergreen...

I suspect the same can be said for most trailer manufacturers...Until one becomes ISO 9000 certified....they will not have repeatable quality.


Boy I had to laugh when I read this. ISO certification is the biggest scam there is. Being ISO means you jumped thru some hoops and developed a formal process. Lots of **** products out there that got certified, but then the procedures were not followed.


I bought a lot of electronics equipment for a Telco. Generally I preferred to work with none ISO certified companies. Part of the certification process is documenting all of their processes and then they don't want to go through the expense to change them due to the hours testing, documenting and certifying new processes. If was far more cost effective for them to continue with the original process they used for certification.

Bill
Nodwell RN110 out moose hunting. 4-53 Detroit, Clark 5 spd, 40" wide tracks, 10:00x20 tires, 16,000# capacity, 22,000# weight. You know the mud is getting deep when it's coming in the doors.