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MAXLOADER SUPENSION UPGRDE - 2007 GMC HD / OUTFITTER APEX 8

terryrey
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MAXLOADER OVERLOAD SPRING SUSPENSION UPGRADE:
โ€ข TRUCK: 2007 GMC 2500HD CLASSIC, CC, 4X4, D/A
โ€ข CAMPER: OUTFITTER APEX 8

For the last couple of years I have been trying to come up with the best rear overload spring installation to greatly minimize โ€œrock & rollโ€ off-road and when transiting driveway approaches, etc when carrying our camper. I initially installed Air Lift 5000 lb air bags (individually plumbed and pressurized to about 65 - 80 psi to level the truck), Roadmaster Active Suspension (coil springs pre-tensioned to a 2mm gap) LINK, and Torklift Stable Loads. FYI, I also installed Firestone Level Right air shocks (they come fitted with Bilstein HD shock absorbers) to the front end of the truck (not needed to control rock & roll) for added insurance when carrying very heavy loads. LINK This combination worked very well on the highway and around town, but allowed a lot of โ€œrock & rollโ€ off-road, etc. I was going to have the local spring shop install top-mounted overload springs, but decided not to because I didnโ€™t want to have the truck frame welded on to install the spring brackets (the frame is boxed). Also, the cost of the installation was going to be almost $1300, which was more than I wanted to pay. I also wanted an installation that would keep a close-to-stock ride with the camper removed. So I kept looking and found the Maxloader overload spring system. Here is the link to the Maxloader site: LINK

The Maxloader Spring Support System:


Maxloaders, which are mounted between the axle and the truckโ€™s spring pack, donโ€™t require overload spring brackets to be installed and I paid $450 delivered (now $499) for the 3500 lb set from Tweetys LINK โ€“ a price I found acceptable. Maxloaders are designed to engage once the main spring pack drops about ยพ inch under load (see pictures below), which lets the unloaded truck give a close to stock ride.

Installing Maxloaders will raise the rear end of the truck about 1-5/8 inches, since the four leaf Maxloader spring pack is 1-5/8 inches thick. Also, a set of 4 leaf Maxloaders, with new longer U-bolts (supplied), weighs about 108 lbs installed, which is lighter than the 125 lbs the 4 leaf top-load overload spring set was going to weigh.

In my installation, I left the airbags installed so I can level the truck from side to side with the camper loaded, if needed โ€“ the drivers side is heavier than the passenger side โ€“ but now carry only 5 psi in them unloaded (minimum required air pressure), which squeezes up to about 15 psi when the back of the truck drops with the camper loaded. To restore the air bags to their pre-maxloader height, I installed one inch spacers to compensate for the 1-5/8 inch "lift" created by installing the Maxloaders. A two inch spacer kit (made by Air Lift) can be sourced on Amazon. I used only half of the two piece two inch spacer to get a one inch spacer. LINK Also the stock size Rancho 9000 rear shocks appear to have enough stroke to accommodate the added lift from the Maxloaders, it is close, however, when the truck is empty. I also had to remove the Stable Loads, since they cannot be fitted with the Maxloaders installed.

Unloaded, with the Maxloaders installed, my truck measures 43.5 inches at the lip of the rear wheel wells. Loaded, with the camper wet and all gear, the truck measures 39-5/8 inches at the front wheel wells and 40-3/8 inches at the rear wheel wells โ€“ the camper dropping the rear of the truck 3-1/8 inches, which leaves my truck bed almost level. When my truck bed is dead level, the rear wheel wells measure 1 inch higher than the front wheel wells. Under full load, with the Maxloaders installed and the required minimum air pressure in the air bags, the rear wheel wells measure 3/4 inch higher than the front wheel wells, leaving the bed only ยผ inch below level.

In order to allow an understanding as to whether Maxloaders may be an overload spring solution for others, let me give some indication of the load I carry. CAT Scale weights: Empty and camper ready the rear axle weight is 3080 lbs. Fully loaded with the camper wet and all gear, the rear axle weight is 6600 lbs (6900 lb GRAWR), giving a 3520 lb load added to the rear axle. I know the truck is overweight, so letโ€™s please not get into a GVWR discussion.

Maxloaders are offered stock in two capacities: 2500 lbs and 3500 lbs (three leaves). I found that the 3500 lb capacity springs were not quite enough for my rear axle load, so I contacted Thad Taylor, owner of Maxloaders, and arranged to have springs with four leaves made. Thad was wonderful to work with, taking my springs with three leaves back and reworking them into springs with four leaves. He did this free of charge for me and I paid the shipping. I canโ€™t say enough good about Thad and Maxloaders! If you have a heavy camper and want to try Maxloaders, call Thad (phone number is on the Maxloader web site) and arrange to have springs with four leaves made.

BOTTOM LINE: Maxloaders have solved my rock & roll problems! The truck with camper now exhibits much less side to side rocking off-road, with much better suspension control. On the highway and around town the truck with camper exhibits no rear end sway or porpoising, with tight handling on curves, and no suspension harshness over bumps. Of course there is still some side to side rocking in the rough stuff, but nothing like before. Also, for off-roaders that do not have stock top-mounted overload springs that can be upgraded and who prefer to depend on โ€œsteelโ€ rather than โ€œairโ€ for overload support, Maxloaders remove dependence on air bags from the suspension equation to level the truck. Based on my experience, I am very comfortable in highly recommending Maxloaders as an effective overload suspension upgrade for those who want to minimize side to side rocking under difficult road conditions. Or want an overload suspension solution other than air bags that also allows for a close to stock ride with the overload springs installed.

THE INSTALL AND OTHER PICTURES:

My son and I installed the Maxloaders on my truck in my garage using common hand tools in about two to three hours. For detailed installation instructions see the Maxloader web site LINK. The following pictures show our Maxloader installation and the finished result.

The truck up on jack stands and the Maxloaders ready to be installed:






The Maxloader now installed under the the truck's spring pack:




The Maxloader urethane contact bumper pads that engage the truckโ€™s spring pack:


The contact bumpers installed on the Maxloaders:


If desired, when the truck will be operated for long periods of time without the camper loaded, such as over the winter, the contact bumpers can be easily removed in about 10 minutes (4 nuts to be removed). Doing so will restore the original ride 100%:


Bumper pad clearance with the truck unloaded:




The Maxloaders now fully installed with no load on the truck:




The truck with the camper loaded and Maxloaders engaged. (note: The truck is sloped slightly toward the back because of the parking pad slope):






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Ski_Pro_3
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Hellwig makes a great spring set for 3500 pound additional load;



Even easier is their 2500 pound additional load spring pack;



Either set-up will run about $250 to $300 for a set and takes about 2 hours to install. They also keep the original ride height and are adjustable for what ever load you want by pretensioning the U-bolts. You can set one side separate from the other side to balance the ride height from left to right.

dadwolf2
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AimlessWanderLust wrote:
I'm just a little shocked that an Outfitter Pop-up weighs that much! We've only ever run stock suspension with pop-ups. Even off road, there was barely any change in handling...


I bet there is a large difference in pop-up weights depending on the brand and brand model. Just thinking about a few that come to mind: Four Wheel Camper, Palomino,Phoenix,Northstar,Hallmark/Outfitter. The size differences, amenity differences. Water tank sizes: FWC=20 gallons, Outfitter=44 gallons. Shoot, just the difference between what Terry's 7.5 cu ft refrigerator/freezer will hold verses a Four Wheel Camper's 1.9 cu ft frig...I can easily see at least 1,500 lb difference.

Don't get me wrong, I am not bad mouthing Four Wheel Campers. They were the most popular truck camper at the Expo this year and have a loyal following.
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2014 Adventurer 86FB

AimlessWanderLu
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Everybody has their own route and preference to get the desired ride, which is fine. I went with Stable loads and 2500lb super springs, it works fantastic, but have not tried it off road with additional rocking and rolling.

I'm glad you have a set up that works for you...I'm just a little shocked that an Outfitter Pop-up weighs that much! We've only ever run stock suspension with pop-ups. Even off road, there was barely any change in handling...
2005 Dodge Ram2500 QC LB CTD 6spd. Manual - Torklift Tiedowns, FastGuns, Stable Loads, Super Springs, 285/70R17 Nitto Terra Grapplers
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dadwolf2
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I've got Supersprings. They were easy to install and as an added bonus seem to reduce sway. They've been on the truck for about a year now (camper pretty much stays on the truck). I would love to see a side by side comparison of the two springs. I can't say anything bad about MaxLoader...I have no experience with them.

Had I known about General Spring and how reasonable they seem to be, I would've gone that direction instead. Interesting to note that on General Spring's website, the heaviest rated spring pack was also the cheapest. ???

But maybe the Maxloader system is just as good or better. Terry is pretty thorough in his research.
2005 Dodge Ram 2500 CTD,4X4,NV5600
2014 Adventurer 86FB

kerry4951
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jefe 4x4 wrote:

Some of you with Super Springs need to speak up of your personal experience.


OK....here goes.
I carry a 5000 lb+ TC and I forget its back there sometimes. I installed air bags also but never ever used them. The great thing about SS's is that they are always working and I never have to worry about a ruptured bag or air line. Im sure thats not a big problem with most but I like the idea that I dont have to worry about that. I guess its peace of mind that I always know they are working and will not fail. I have several rear mods but I equate the SS's to doing more than their fair share in keeping my rig stable. If they are installed properly, they do very little to effect your unloaded ride. Mine rest just on top of the upper overloads and they do not come into play until my TC is loaded. With the TC on, the SS's act as an upper stable loads since the factory upper springs ride up and against the SS's, and they also give total extra support to the factory spring pack. With the heavy TC loaded my truck is still a little higher in the rear than the front, and I dont have any lean to either side so there is no need to level from side to side.
2009 Silverado 3500 dually D/A, Supersprings, Stable Loads, Bilsteins, Hellwig Sway Bar.
2010 Arctic Fox 1140 DB, 220 watts solar, custom 4 in 1 "U" shaped dinette/couch, baseboard and Cat 3 heat, 2nd dinette TV, cabover headboard storage, 67 TC mods

jefe_4x4
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Hmm. For those without secondaries on top, this may be a good idea. The contact area of the narrow end of the rubber cone is a bit shy. Let us know how much they compress under full load and off-camber. What is the load rating in pounds of the MaxLoader? Any reputable spring shop knows what the load rating (spring rate) is.
It's always a compromise between stiffening up your suspension enough to stop the rocking and still have enough travel for off-road: and have it revertable when no load is in the bed.
I've never been fond of the quick-and-dirty rubber cone add-on between the overload spring (the thick one at the bottom of the stock pack) and the leaf stack. The overload spring has almost no deflection. It's just a shelf to catch your sagging main pack.
In the good old days, many thin leaves guaranteed a lot of carrying capacity AND a nice ride AND good suspension travel.
I was looking at a midwest spring shop's catalog ( General Spring, recommended on a post here on the forum) last night, and they had Dodge (my brand) main pack replacement springs with capacities of:
2860 pounds (4 leaf pack)
3050 pounds (4 leaf pack)
2830 pounds (6 leaf pack)
3600 pounds (6 leaf pack)
4000 pounds (8 leaf pack)
Notice the lower load rating of the 6 leaf pack. This tells me that the leaves are thinner.
All the above are from (each) $179 to $219, not a prohibitive price for new springs.
They also touted Super Springs, which may guarantee a firmer ride than you want. They do have a nice roller which diminishes friction. But, I like the friction you get with big old dumb leaf springs, dragging against themselves down that rusty corridor of ride control. I'm also leery of any outfit that has approximate load ratings of their products. What can you deduce with 3000, 4000, and 5000 pound load ratings? It tells me they really have never tested and measured their products' actual spring rate. Don't they know us guys need numbers? Show me your numbers!
Some of you with Super Springs need to speak up of your personal experience.
It is important for you to test drive your new Max Loader and report on how they did with your setup. I do like the explanation and nice set of pix to show us how you did what you did.
regards, as always, jefe
'01.5 Dodge 2500 4x4, CTD, Qcab, SB, NV5600, 241HD, 4.10's, Dana 70/TruTrac; Dana 80/ TruTrac, Spintec hub conversion, H.D. susp, 315/75R16's on 7.5" and 10" wide steel wheels, Vulcan big line, Warn M15K winch '98 Lance Lite 165s, 8' 6" X-cab, 200w Solar

kerry4951
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Sheriffdoug wrote:
Hello, great post! Why not use Super Springs, which are a Top Loader?

I agree.....SS's are very simple to install or take off if needed. They offer great stability.
2009 Silverado 3500 dually D/A, Supersprings, Stable Loads, Bilsteins, Hellwig Sway Bar.
2010 Arctic Fox 1140 DB, 220 watts solar, custom 4 in 1 "U" shaped dinette/couch, baseboard and Cat 3 heat, 2nd dinette TV, cabover headboard storage, 67 TC mods

jimh406
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I'm glad it fixed your problem. That's for sure an uncommon setup for springs. Also, crew cab and short bed is about as bad as it gets for balance and carrying a TC. Is that also the 5.5 ft bed? If so, that's even more amazing that you can make it work.

I'm also surprised that your estimate to add a leaf was $1300 since people who post here generally suggest they get it done for $200-300.

'10 Ford F-450, 6.4, 4.30, 4x4, 14,500 GVWR, '06 Host Rainer 950 DS, Torklift Talon tiedowns, Glow Steps, and Fastguns. Bilstein 4600s, Firestone Bags, Toyo M655 Gs, Curt front hitch, Energy Suspension bump stops.

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MacHof
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Excellent post! Great info and very useful photos.

Sheriffdoug
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Hello, great post! Why not use Super Springs, which are a Top Loader?
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