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Medium Duty Tow vehicle insurance?

sidpost
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I'm looking to purchase a Dodge 5500 or a small International/Kenworth tow vehicle. How do you insure one of these without going to a straight commercial policy with the high liability costs?

I must be missing something because my car and pickup insurance rates are among the lowest around but, my clean driving record (no tickets or at fault accidents in 30 years) and experience with heavy farm vehicles apparently means nothing to the insurance companies I have spoken with.
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sidpost
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bigg-limo wrote:
I would check with Blue Sky. As long as your truck does not gross over 26k, they will insure it, but you will have to add your trailer on there with it. I got my GVWR changed to 25.5k on my Kenworth T-600. By doing that, it pulled it out of the "commercial policy" range,โ€ฆand plus, it still gives me about 6-7k lbs of payload.


Thanks! I will have to keep that in mind next time I ask about insurance and tags.

bigg-limo
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I would check with Blue Sky. As long as your truck does not gross over 26k, they will insure it, but you will have to add your trailer on there with it. I got my GVWR changed to 25.5k on my Kenworth T-600. By doing that, it pulled it out of the "commercial policy" range,โ€ฆand plus, it still gives me about 6-7k lbs of payload.

chiefneon
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aemedic wrote:
chiefneon wrote:
Howdy!

We replaced our MDT last year with a 4400 International 2L custom hauler. When we did USAA gave us the best deal we've every had. So if your a veteran or have one in you family you might want to check with USAA.

"Happy Trails"
Chiefneon


When I bought my MDT last year I tried to use USAA and they told me they do not insure MDTs...

How did you go about getting insurance through them?



Howdy!

Chris, I guess I got lucky with a good a contact person that ready worked with me when I called. I was very spicific explanning the type of tow vehicle I had and what it was used for not to have problems later. I even offer to e-mail pictures of my TV and they advised it was not necesasry. USAA was hundreds of dollars cheaper than Progressive on my previous MDT.

"Happy Trails"
Chiefneon

SoCalDesertRid1
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If it's registered as a commercial truck, the insurance company is required to write a commercial insurance policy on it.

My F350 cab/chassis truck costs twice as much to insure ($800/yr -vs- $400/yr) and 4 times as much to register ($300/yr -vs- $70/yr) as my F350 pickup, in AZ. Both trucks have the same policy coverage features and limits, except no towing coverage on the cab/chassis truck, since the insurance company doesn't offer towing on commercial trucks over 10,000 lbs.

In CA, the cab/chassis truck was twice as much to insure (about the same, $800/400) and almost 3 times as much to register ($650/yr -vs- $250/yr), than the pickup, both with same policy limits, etc.

AZ is alot cheaper on the registration on both trucks, especially the pickup.

In AZ, the pickup is registered to 10,000 lbs GVW. The cab/chassis is registered 20,000 lbs GVW.

In CA, they dont register pickups to GVW, instead they use the unloaded vehicle weight. So the pickup was registered to 6000 lbs UVW (which was the original factory stock shipping weight of the pickup, when it left the Ford factory in '92, according to the bill of lading document I got with the truck).

The cab/chassis was registered to 20,000 lbs GVW, with CA CRV weight stickers displaying '20' on each side of the truck. In CA, commercial cab/chassis trucks are required to go through all highway scales. The weight stickers are required by CA DMV, so the scale operator can see the registred weight limit of the truck, or truck/trailer combination.

In AZ, the cab/chassis truck does not have weight stickers displayed anywhere on the truck, as none were issued to me at time of registration.

Pickups are not required to go through the scales, at all, in CA.

In CA, the registered GVW of the commercial cab/chassis truck must cover not only the loaded weight of the truck, but also the loaded weight of the trailer. That is why I had the cab/chassis truck registered to 20,000 lbs, in CA.

When I brought the cab/chassis truck to AZ, I assumed the registration requirements were the same as CA, so I registered it to 20,000 lbs again. Later, I found out that, in AZ, the commercial truck registration only needs to cover the loaded weight of the truck, not the trailer too. In AZ, the trailer registration covers the loaded weight of the trailer.

In AZ, up to 10,000 lbs, for personal-use trailer weight, the registration is $130, paid only once, and is good for the life of the trailer. So, next time I renew the cab/chassis' registration, I can lower my registered weight to 15,000 lbs for the truck and save about $70/yr, versus 20,000 lbs.

Also, once I registered the cab/chassis truck in AZ, it is no longer allowed to cross into CA, at all, unless I purchase a temporary CA commercial registration for the truck. I did not know that and was issued a $250 ticket at the scale in CA, when the scale police saw the AZ plate on the truck.

Apparently, CA and AZ do not have a reciprocity agreement for commercial truck registration. Some other states do have reciprocity agreement with CA. Trucks from those states are not required to purchase CA temporary registration to enter the state. I was informed of that by the CA scale police.

The pickup can cross into CA with it's AZ plate and is not required to have a temporary CA commercial truck registration to enter the state, for personal use purposes. If they think it's being used commercially, there could be a problem, I would assume. However, since pickups do not go on the scales in CA, it is unlikely there would be a problem.
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I've had Progressive since 2004 and other than the rates going up I've had zero problems with them insuring my truck & trailer. Every year I shop around at renewal time and have not been able to beat them. A year ago I dropped the values of the replacement part of my policy and that did lower the rates. My truck is now almost 15 years old and the trailer 10 years old.
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aemedic
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chiefneon wrote:
Howdy!

We replaced our MDT last year with a 4400 International 2L custom hauler. When we did USAA gave us the best deal we've every had. So if your a veteran or have one in you family you might want to check with USAA.

"Happy Trails"
Chiefneon


When I bought my MDT last year I tried to use USAA and they told me they do not insure MDTs...

How did you go about getting insurance through them?
Chris

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dbear
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Sometimes the "choice" is predetermined by the state in which you live. Case in point, NY requires all trucks, from 1/4T on up, to be registered and licensed as commercial. Insurers force commercial policies for class 4 and higher.

2oldman
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These vehicles pose many problems for the inexperienced agent. It took me almost an hour at the DMV in WA to get mine licensed non-commercial. Evidently some rules had been recently changed and only one clerk knew how to (eventually) do the task.
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sidpost
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2oldman wrote:
You DON'T want it registered or insured as a commercial vehicle.


Yes, that's why I was so perplexed with the responses I got from the insurance agents I talked to. My intended use is clearly not commercial.

chiefneon
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Howdy!

We replaced our MDT last year with a 4400 International 2L custom hauler. When we did USAA gave us the best deal we've every had. So if your a veteran or have one in you family you might want to check with USAA.

"Happy Trails"
Chiefneon

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the_bear_II
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I searched for insurance when I bought my MDT. Best price I found was from Progressive through Poliseek. They consider the MDT as an RV instead of a commercial vehicle since I use it mainly to tow my 5th wheel.

There's another insurance company with Farmers in the name (Not State Farm or Farmers but another) it sounds like it began as a company aimed at real farmers.

X2 on checking the forum at www.escapees.com look for the MDT forum and while you are there also look at the HDT forum. Many of the previous MDT owners have switched to an HDT truck and find it is way more comfortable and safer to drive. Surprisingly the footprint for an MDT and comparable HDT are about the same.

2oldman
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State Farm insures mine (WA) no problem. You DON'T want it registered or insured as a commercial vehicle.
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sidpost wrote:
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I'm looking to purchase a Dodge 5500 or a small International/Kenworth tow vehicle. How do you insure one of these without going to a straight commercial policy with the high liability costs?

I must be missing something because my car and pickup insurance rates are among the lowest around but, my clean driving record (no tickets or at fault accidents in 30 years) and experience with heavy farm vehicles apparently means nothing to the insurance companies I have spoken with.


You may get some answers here, a few may even be correct. I would suggest you register on the Escapees forum where there are more than a few MDT/HDT owners. They can provide the info. you seek.