new F150 towing capacities

[PureMI]

looks like it will be a pretty capable TV
http://www.leftlanenews.com/fords-2015-f-150-tows-12-200-lbs-mpg-jumps-by-up-to-20-percent.html

[capsfloyd]

I would like to see real towing mpg.
Can tow 11,000 ... what is the actual mpg towing 8-10 or less

[RinconVTR]

smkettner wrote:
^^^^ probably best to find the full J2807 testing specs before you decry that nothing applies to the real world.

I have a PDF copy of the spec, and have read it front to back. I would indeed declare is has nothing to do with real world towing.

It is a performance test, much like SAE horse power standard testing, used for "marketing specs" which published tow ratings truly are, to finally have a level playing field. In the long haul, this standard could do good, but for now, its a joke.

[fla-gypsy]

There are people on this forum pulling large loads with a Max payload pkg F-150 quite well.

[mosseater]

rbpru wrote:
snip.....It is not the load pulling capacity that stops you, it is the max cargo and how much over it you want to load your truck.

When I get to the end of the on-ramp with 20 mph to go before I can match traffic and find a hole, it darn well IS pulling capacity that hinders you. Might not stop you as long as one is within cargo numbers, but performance can and does matter from a safety perspective sometimes. At the end of the ramp, with nowhere to go, you've already committed yourself to the kindness and alertness of other drivers. Not a good place to be these days. This from a guy who tows at max and could use a few more hundred ponies at times.

[brulaz]

Atlee wrote:
Really? If so, that's a bummer. I knew the 7 lug went to 6 lug this year (2015) but I figured they'd stay at 8200#. If the 7700# is now the top GVWR, they have effectively done away with the HD pkg.
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No, because with the 700# weight reduction, they have ~ 200# more payload than the same 2014 HD payload truck.

But we haven't seen the rear GAWRs on the 2015 HD Payload trucks yet. Those may turn out to be the limiting factor now, rather than payload.

The old 7 lug HD axles were 4800# and the regular axles were only 4050# IIRC. That's a 750# diff. If the 2015 HD axle is now only 4050#, the 700# weight drop will not cover the difference, especially as it will be split between both front and rear axles.

Hopefully the 2015 HD rear GAWR will be higher than 4050#.

[APT]

An F-250 can have over 4000 pounds of payload. That doesn't mean they all will. Likewise F-150s.

The HD package is still similar as outgoing. All GVWRs have been lowered due to the lower curb weight across all models. We're back to 1997 GVWRs, 6000-6500 for standard models vs. 7000-7350 in 2014.

[majorgator]

Show how heavily loaded trucks perform while traveling over several thousand of simulated miles. Then a complete tear down and measurement components to show the real impact. When it's all said and done, let the SAE specify the limits. The manufacturers could then put that number or anything less on their sticker.

I like this idea!
What I also wonder about is that, since the SAE is not a legally binding requirement, could the manufacturers still list whatever they want on their stickers? Then list the SAE numbers in real small letters underneath that...?? I just have to believe that there's too much involved with legalese and marketing to just give up their freedom to advertise how they want. Kind of like how Ford claims on their commercials to have the "best in class fuel economy" only to see that little short blurb on the bottom of the screen that says "V6, 2WD, Regular Cab, Short Wheel Base....."

[Community Alumni]

majorgator wrote:
Its more like those strong-man competitions that used to be real popular. They're measuring limited criteria on a brand new vehicle for short durations of time.

Used to? I just watched the 2014 competition, qualifying to finals, just a couple of months ago lol. But I get what you're saying. I wouldn't call it useless, but it does fall short. It's definitely a step in the right direction. I was excited when I first heard there would be a standard, but disappointed when I read about the finalized version. I would've loved to see the SAE load up these trucks with sensors and show the amount of stress on different components while loaded heavily and set limits. Show how heavily loaded trucks perform while traveling over several thousand of simulated miles. Then a complete tear down and measurement components to show the real impact. When it's all said and done, let the SAE specify the limits. The manufacturers could then put that number or anything less on their sticker. That would be a tall order, but it's the SAE. They could do it.

At the end of the day it's more of a performance test that creates standards for calculating and certifying numbers. It would be nice if it addressed longevity somewhat, wear and tear, and a bit more safety when towing the way we tow. I saw that 3300 lbs payload story yesterday. If you could find one on a lot somewhere, is it a green light to head into 3/4 and 1 ton territory? It's still just an F150 at the end of the day. Sadly "Just because you can doesn't mean you should" still exists under J2807.

[majorgator]

While that may be true and I agree, but you rarely see a 1/2 ton in the ditch while towing. In fact as long as I've been reading on here I can remember if I've actually read about a 1/2 ton getting in a wreck. SUV's seem to be the more common occurrence.

I don't agree or disagree with this statement, but I will say that its a fairly rare occurrence in general to see a TT and TV in the ditch. I typically drive about 30K miles per year here in FL and 90% of it is on the interstate and major highways. I have seen both trucks and SUV's involved in such incidences. I've also seen 1 ton trucks pulling small trailers and (just last week) saw a Tacoma pulling a TT that should have been behind a a 3/4 ton or larger. Moral of the story...well, I don't know 😉

[rbpru]

In the, for what it is worth category, I have met two F-150 owners with the “super duper all you can get” towing options. One complained of a very rough ride, even while towing; the other complained of low gas mileage with or without a TT.

A half ton is a half ton. That means you can haul 1000 lbs.

In my case, with a max cargo of 1411 lbs., I can haul a half ton of payload and 411 lbs. of people. (two adults). There is nothing deceiving here. Ford also recommends a total frontage area of 60 Sq. ft. or approximately 8’x 8’.

Since I spend more time at home than in my RV, I enjoy the 18 to 20 mpg of the e-boost for every day driving and accept the 10 mpg while towing.

My 26 ft. TT when fully loaded puts my F-150 at or a bit over its max cargo. If I want more TT, I will need to move up to an F-250.

[myredracer]

How can an F-150 have better payload and tow capacity than 3/4 ton trucks? Our F-250 has 1800 lb payload capacity, confirmed by going to a scale, but an F-150 can now have 3,000 lbs?. Are they rejigging numbers for 3/4 and 1 ton trucks too?

How do the chassis, brakes, etc. compare on the new F-150 to F-250s and other 3/4 ton TVs?

Maybe they should have one class/rating of pickups and combine 1/2, 3/4 and 1 ton trucks into the same truck. Payload and tow capacity figures seem to get more confusing as time goes on. I'd still rather have an F250.

[goducks10]

majorgator wrote:

Or a boat. The other factor is the wind resistance. A 12k flat bed is MUCH easier to tow then a 12k RV.

^^^^THIS^^^^
Published towing capacities are basically useless. Still, they don't address major issues like stability and handling. I still contend that its absolutely unsafe for these smallish trucks to haul such heavy loads.

While that may be true and I agree, but you rarely see a 1/2 ton in the ditch while towing. In fact as long as I've been reading on here I can remember if I've actually read about a 1/2 ton getting in a wreck. SUV's seem to be the more common occurrence.

[Atlee]

Really? If so, that's a bummer. I knew the 7 lug went to 6 lug this year (2015) but I figured they'd stay at 8200#. If the 7700# is now the top GVWR, they have effectively done away with the HD pkg.

Glad I got my 2014 with Max Tow & HD pkg. 8200# GVWR & 2280# +/- Payload Capacity.

APT wrote:
The 2015 F-150s lost some weight, maybe 700 pounds for a crew cab 6.5' bed truck. That 700 pounds did not go straight to payload. The former HD payload 8200 pound GVWR package is now 7700 pounds I believe. 7 lug wheels down to 6 lug.

[APT]

The 2015 F-150s lost some weight, maybe 700 pounds for a crew cab 6.5' bed truck. That 700 pounds did not go straight to payload. The former HD payload 8200 pound GVWR package is now 7700 pounds I believe. 7 lug wheels down to 6 lug.