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Bionic_Man
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So my 2012 RAM 3500 was in the shop for two weeks with a P0420 CEL. Turns out that it had to do with a cat, and the part was on back order, not scheduled for release until late August.

I spoke with two technicians about the likelihood of it being troublefree between now and then, and was less than reassured by both of their responses - โ€œmaybe, but if it collapses on itself the truck will not have enough power to move far on its ownโ€. Looked into aftermarket options, but I live in an emissions testing county and the great state of Colofornia will not allow any non OEM parts for emissions compliance.

With a 3000 mile round trip pulling the RV was literally a day away, I quickly went on a new truck search. I can tell you from my experience, there is still a significant shortage.

I used the RAM build a truck site, and searched a 100 mile radius from
Denver. My criteria was pretty simple. RAM 3500, HO engine, crew cab, Laramie or better trim, 50 gallon fuel tank, 5th wheel prep package. I was open to 2022 or 2023 trucks. My search only resulted in a very small handful of trucks available (if I was open to Tradesman trim, options would have been much better). I then started calling dealers to see who was willing to sell on the EP program for a truck on the lot, and that narrowed my choices much further.

Found a dealer 100 miles away that had a truck that met the criteria (Laramie trim, technology group with adaptive cruise and the advanced tow package in a long bed). I left the house at about 1000 am, did the paperwork (which took much longer than I thought it should) drove it to an RV dealer near home, getting there about 30 minutes before they closed), picked up a new Anderson ultimate hitch that uses the goose neck in the prep package), hitched the trailer, and headed towards Portland.

We drove over 1300 miles in a day and a half, all around the Portland area, and then back in two days. Here are my observations.

Without question, this is the biggest upgrade Iโ€™ve ever experienced in a vehicle. There simply is no comparison between my 2012 and this 2023. Out trip took us up I80 to I84. While there are not any hills like I70, we still encountered some grades, although you hardly knew it with the Cummins/Aisin. Itโ€™s simply impressive.

Love all the cameras and the adaptive cruise. Wish I could have got massaging seats. I also miss my auxiliary fuel tank. Even with my relatively small 12,000 pound trailer, stability in the old DRW was better (especially when we encountered winds around the Columbia gorge). I still am happy we got a SRW - itโ€™s nice to run it through a car wash instead of hand washing.

I am sure I have some upgrades in the near future. I put running boards on the truck on Sunday. Clear bra and window tint Thursday. Probably need air bags and maybe bigger tires. Who knows what else.

My anticipation was to keep my last truck for another 100,000 + miles, but so far I have no regrets that I was forced to upgrade.

2012 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn DRW CC 4x4 Max Tow, Cummins HO, 60 gallon RDS aux fuel tank, Reese 18k Elite hitch
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
2002 Gulf Stream Sea Hawk 29FRB with Honda EV6010
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Huntindog
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Bionic Man wrote:
It settles 2 1/4โ€ with the RV on the truck. It is enough that some oncoming drivers were flashing their lights. Would have got the air suspension if I ordered the truck.

Bigger tires are for aesthetics. They wonโ€™t be huge but Iโ€™ve never been a fan of stock size.
Bigger tires on a TV effectively lowers it's rating and performance as a TV. How much is debatable. but it definantly will not help it.
Huntindog
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katysdad
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FishOnOne wrote:
Wish my '12 forced me to upgrade. A couple of weeks ago had a new windshield installed and front brake pads/rotors turned at the Ford dealer. A week later the engine light conveniently came on, so stopped by the local O'Reily parts store to acquire code and got the DEF heater failure. They quoted ~$350 for a Dorman part so now I will need to decide to replace it myself(Motorcraft part only), take it to a shop, run it as is until winter or purchase a new truck.


I know you want Motorcraft but Rockauto has Dorman part for $162. They may have made the part for Ford to start with.

Def heater
Dodge Ram 3500 DRW Diesel

Bionic_Man
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FishOnOne wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Wish my '12 forced me to upgrade. A couple of weeks ago had a new windshield installed and front brake pads/rotors turned at the Ford dealer. A week later the engine light conveniently came on, so stopped by the local O'Reily parts store to acquire code and got the DEF heater failure. They quoted ~$350 for a Dorman part so now I will need to decide to replace it myself(Motorcraft part only), take it to a shop, run it as is until winter or purchase a new truck. :B


I was very satisfied with the truck up until I couldnโ€™t get a replacement part that had to be OEM. If that wasnโ€™t the case, Iโ€™d still happily be driving it.

Remember, my Ford sat at the dealer for over 8 weeks last year while waiting for parts. It was still under warranty and had less than 40,000 miles on it. So before you go throwing dirt/trolling, there are plenty of bad experience with your brand of choice as well.


Never denied there was cam phaser problems. As a matter of fact, that known problem existed for way too long and I've critized some of the poor quality coming from them lately.

Enjoy your new truck. Hope its a good one.


Iโ€™m still waiting for the cam phaser fix. This was a failed rear axle.
2012 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn DRW CC 4x4 Max Tow, Cummins HO, 60 gallon RDS aux fuel tank, Reese 18k Elite hitch
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
2002 Gulf Stream Sea Hawk 29FRB with Honda EV6010

FishOnOne
Nomad
Nomad
Bionic Man wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Wish my '12 forced me to upgrade. A couple of weeks ago had a new windshield installed and front brake pads/rotors turned at the Ford dealer. A week later the engine light conveniently came on, so stopped by the local O'Reily parts store to acquire code and got the DEF heater failure. They quoted ~$350 for a Dorman part so now I will need to decide to replace it myself(Motorcraft part only), take it to a shop, run it as is until winter or purchase a new truck. :B


I was very satisfied with the truck up until I couldnโ€™t get a replacement part that had to be OEM. If that wasnโ€™t the case, Iโ€™d still happily be driving it.

Remember, my Ford sat at the dealer for over 8 weeks last year while waiting for parts. It was still under warranty and had less than 40,000 miles on it. So before you go throwing dirt/trolling, there are plenty of bad experience with your brand of choice as well.


Never denied there was cam phaser problems. As a matter of fact, that known problem existed for way too long and I've critized some of the poor quality coming from them lately.

Enjoy your new truck. Hope its a good one.
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

FishOnOne
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fj12ryder wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
It settles 2 1/4โ€ with the RV on the truck. It is enough that some oncoming drivers were flashing their lights. Would have got the air suspension if I ordered the truck.

Bigger tires are for aesthetics. They wonโ€™t be huge but Iโ€™ve never been a fan of stock size.


You want the truck to set "LEVEL" and ride on the overloads. Yes I get flashed at times but oh well! I set 55" top rear bed to ground with factory rear air. LOVE it!!!
If the truck is down on the overloads it's going to ride pretty rough. I put bags on my old truck because it set down on the overloads, and rode like a lumber wagon. Got it off the overloads and it was fine. JME of course.


But FWIW, it looks like it's sitting a bit low in the rear. The truck that is.

That's what I going to suggest. Just aim your headlights at the garage door without your load to identify your base line, then hook up your trailer and at the same distance from your garage door, adjust them to ~ the same height. This will reduce you lighted distance unloaded but should prevent blinding on coming traffice while loaded. Had to do this with my truck especially when I converted to LED's.
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

FishOnOne
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fj12ryder wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
It settles 2 1/4โ€ with the RV on the truck. It is enough that some oncoming drivers were flashing their lights. Would have got the air suspension if I ordered the truck.

Bigger tires are for aesthetics. They wonโ€™t be huge but Iโ€™ve never been a fan of stock size.


You want the truck to set "LEVEL" and ride on the overloads. Yes I get flashed at times but oh well! I set 55" top rear bed to ground with factory rear air. LOVE it!!!
If the truck is down on the overloads it's going to ride pretty rough. I put bags on my old truck because it set down on the overloads, and rode like a lumber wagon. Got it off the overloads and it was fine. JME of course.

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But FWIW, it looks like it's sitting a bit low in the rear. The truck that is.
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

fj12ryder
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
It settles 2 1/4โ€ with the RV on the truck. It is enough that some oncoming drivers were flashing their lights. Would have got the air suspension if I ordered the truck.

Bigger tires are for aesthetics. They wonโ€™t be huge but Iโ€™ve never been a fan of stock size.


You want the truck to set "LEVEL" and ride on the overloads. Yes I get flashed at times but oh well! I set 55" top rear bed to ground with factory rear air. LOVE it!!!
If the truck is down on the overloads it's going to ride pretty rough. I put bags on my old truck because it set down on the overloads, and rode like a lumber wagon. Got it off the overloads and it was fine. JME of course.

But FWIW, it looks like it's sitting a bit low in the rear. The truck that is.
Howard and Peggy

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wnjj
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Explorer II
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
It settles 2 1/4โ€ with the RV on the truck. It is enough that some oncoming drivers were flashing their lights. Would have got the air suspension if I ordered the truck.

Bigger tires are for aesthetics. They wonโ€™t be huge but Iโ€™ve never been a fan of stock size.


You want the truck to set "LEVEL" and ride on the overloads. Yes I get flashed at times but oh well! I set 55" top rear bed to ground with factory rear air. LOVE it!!!

You all realize headlights are adjustable, right?

Congrats on the new ride!

Bionic_Man
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FishOnOne wrote:
Wish my '12 forced me to upgrade. A couple of weeks ago had a new windshield installed and front brake pads/rotors turned at the Ford dealer. A week later the engine light conveniently came on, so stopped by the local O'Reily parts store to acquire code and got the DEF heater failure. They quoted ~$350 for a Dorman part so now I will need to decide to replace it myself(Motorcraft part only), take it to a shop, run it as is until winter or purchase a new truck. :B


I was very satisfied with the truck up until I couldnโ€™t get a replacement part that had to be OEM. If that wasnโ€™t the case, Iโ€™d still happily be driving it.

Remember, my Ford sat at the dealer for over 8 weeks last year while waiting for parts. It was still under warranty and had less than 40,000 miles on it. So before you go throwing dirt/trolling, there are plenty of bad experience with your brand of choice as well.
2012 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn DRW CC 4x4 Max Tow, Cummins HO, 60 gallon RDS aux fuel tank, Reese 18k Elite hitch
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
2002 Gulf Stream Sea Hawk 29FRB with Honda EV6010

Cummins12V98
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FishOnOne wrote:
Wish my '12 forced me to upgrade. A couple of weeks ago had a new windshield installed and front brake pads/rotors turned at the Ford dealer. A week later the engine light conveniently came on, so stopped by the local O'Reily parts store to acquire code and got the DEF heater failure. They quoted ~$350 for a Dorman part so now I will need to decide to replace it myself(Motorcraft part only), take it to a shop, run it as is until winter or purchase a new truck. :B


Stick with what you have!!! It's been a good truck for you.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Cummins12V98
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Bionic Man wrote:
It settles 2 1/4โ€ with the RV on the truck. It is enough that some oncoming drivers were flashing their lights. Would have got the air suspension if I ordered the truck.

Bigger tires are for aesthetics. They wonโ€™t be huge but Iโ€™ve never been a fan of stock size.


You want the truck to set "LEVEL" and ride on the overloads. Yes I get flashed at times but oh well! I set 55" top rear bed to ground with factory rear air. LOVE it!!!
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

FishOnOne
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Wish my '12 forced me to upgrade. A couple of weeks ago had a new windshield installed and front brake pads/rotors turned at the Ford dealer. A week later the engine light conveniently came on, so stopped by the local O'Reily parts store to acquire code and got the DEF heater failure. They quoted ~$350 for a Dorman part so now I will need to decide to replace it myself(Motorcraft part only), take it to a shop, run it as is until winter or purchase a new truck. :B
'12 Ford Super Duty FX4 ELD CC 6.7 PSD 400HP 800ft/lbs "270k Miles"
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"

Bionic_Man
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Explorer
It settles 2 1/4โ€ with the RV on the truck. It is enough that some oncoming drivers were flashing their lights. Would have got the air suspension if I ordered the truck.

Bigger tires are for aesthetics. They wonโ€™t be huge but Iโ€™ve never been a fan of stock size.
2012 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn DRW CC 4x4 Max Tow, Cummins HO, 60 gallon RDS aux fuel tank, Reese 18k Elite hitch
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
2002 Gulf Stream Sea Hawk 29FRB with Honda EV6010

Cummins12V98
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Explorer III
12k RV and needing air bags on a 3500, I sure hope NOT!!!

Better not need bigger tires as those carry more than you need.

Nice truck!
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

mkirsch
Nomad II
Nomad II
Too early to regret what's missing. You just got the truck and are in the honeymoon phase, where you get to ACCESSORIZE! ๐Ÿ™‚

Putting 10-ply tires on half ton trucks since aught-four.