Ram takes the lead.

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

LINK

New Cummins 6.7-liter calibration adds 15 lb.-ft. of torque, edging out even Class 4 pickup competitors to a best-in-class 865 lb.-ft.
2015 Ram 3500 crushes the competition with up to 30,000 pounds of SAE J2807-spec. towing capacity, beating the closest competitor by nearly 1.5 tons.

2015 Ram 2500 holds best-in-class 17,970 pounds of towing capacity, while adhering to SAE J2807 test criteria
New best-in-class payload of 7,390 pounds (Ram 3500)
Ram maintains credibility and customer confidence as the only automaker to align with SAE J2807 towing standard in its heavy duty pickup truck line
Best-in-class Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) of 37,900 pounds
The first 2015 Ram Heavy Duty trucks begin rolling off the factory line this week
Unsurpassed powertrain warranty – five years/100,000 miles

Good thing they used a 2014 Ram for the 2014 Ultimate Heavy-Duty Challenge against GM and Fords 2015 modles.

[Sundance07]

Gunship Guy wrote:
These topics are the worst.

Ram bumps up their torque and it makes Ram owners feel good until next week when GM or Ford bumps up something else. Everyone gets a turn to pound their chest and feel like men.

And every one of these posts brings out someone who will say Ford sells a lot of F-150s. We get it. McDonalds makes the best hamburgers.

Touche' :B

[transamz9]

Muddydogs wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Muddydogs wrote:
Well here are some facts for you guys. Over the last 15 years of maintaining a fleet of 60 rigs containing 1500 and 2500 from Chev, Ford and Dodge I have finally got the grocery getters, rattle traps, high maintenance and low riders out of the fleet so now my fleet consists of the rigs with the highest ground clearance, lowest maintenance costs and some resale value at replacement time. Now what my rigs go through in 6 years most of your rigs wouldn’t see in 20 but for what I need a pickup to do there is nothing better than a Ram 2500. Unless of course the rig isn’t needed to tow large trailers and its main duty is crawling around the back roads then a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon is hard to beat.
You guys can argue over 15 pounds of torque but when it comes down to it all the comparable diesel motors tow about the same as well as all the comparable gas motors. How do I know you might ask? Well when we move out for a field season we would have 10 to 20 trucks hooked up to the same number of identical camp trailers.
For me personally from my experience’s I choose a 5.7 Hemi Ram for my towing needs as I am a weekend camper right now and my truck is a full time get the wife to work rig. The cost of a diesel truck, extra cost per gallon for diesel and increased repair cost aren’t outweighed by the small increase in mileage one gets from a diesel. Now if I was full timing and doing a lot of driving I would probably own a diesel. I have to wonder though from the how fast do you tow threads it seems like most people on the board tow around 60 mph, well why do you need a big bad diesel truck if all you are going to do is putt down the road at 60, my Ram with a 27 foot toy hauler and 1300 lbs of ATV’s can top the sisters East of Evanston Wy at 65.

Well, hook a 14,000# fifth wheel behind that Hemi and then add a 5,000# boat to the back of the fifth wheel and tell me how well it can top the sisters east of Evanston. Sounds like when you finally hook to a real load you'll understand what a real truck sees.;)

This is where reading comprehension comes into play. I never said anything bad about diesels. I even stated that if I was full timing I would probably own a diesel but for general weekend trailer towing a diesel isn't worth it for me. I have towed with the biggest badest diesels on the market and yes they can tow a load, my old work rig was a diesel Ford Excursion which would top the sisters at 75 with pedal left towing a 34 foot bumper pull.

I believe you said that your vehicles go through in 6 years what most see in 20. Is that "most" all cars or all trucks or work vehicles in your fleet that you maintain? I was reading it as your fleet because the fleet I maintain has trucks in it that probably goes through more in one day than most trucks see in 20 years. I have a F550 that grosses 30,000+ on a daily basis when it's on the road.

I agree, some are just fine with a small gas motor. Some are not. When you have 15 more lbft of torque it don't sound like much but when you run that through a transmission and then through a rear differential it adds up to be quite a bit in the lower gears.;)

[goducks10]

Likes to tow wrote:
We would all be better served if they stopped the torque/towing capacity race and concentrate on easily maintained dependable engines that a common middle class man could afford. $60 and $70k MSRP is a complete turn off for me!! I now use my 05 Ram Cummins for towing and heaving hauling only because it cost too much to replace. Profane prices for new diesels and trucks in general have caused me to rethink my daily driver requirements. At what price point is it no longer worth it? I think we are there now.

Shop around. Ford and Ram offer huge discounts a various times of the year. GM not so much. Around here anyway.

http://www.rontonkindodge.net/new/Ram/2014-Ram-3500-683363890a0a00e06ac614a8b62b269d.htm

[Muddydogs]

transamz9 wrote:

Muddydogs wrote:
Well here are some facts for you guys. Over the last 15 years of maintaining a fleet of 60 rigs containing 1500 and 2500 from Chev, Ford and Dodge I have finally got the grocery getters, rattle traps, high maintenance and low riders out of the fleet so now my fleet consists of the rigs with the highest ground clearance, lowest maintenance costs and some resale value at replacement time. Now what my rigs go through in 6 years most of your rigs wouldn’t see in 20 but for what I need a pickup to do there is nothing better than a Ram 2500. Unless of course the rig isn’t needed to tow large trailers and its main duty is crawling around the back roads then a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon is hard to beat.
You guys can argue over 15 pounds of torque but when it comes down to it all the comparable diesel motors tow about the same as well as all the comparable gas motors. How do I know you might ask? Well when we move out for a field season we would have 10 to 20 trucks hooked up to the same number of identical camp trailers.
For me personally from my experience’s I choose a 5.7 Hemi Ram for my towing needs as I am a weekend camper right now and my truck is a full time get the wife to work rig. The cost of a diesel truck, extra cost per gallon for diesel and increased repair cost aren’t outweighed by the small increase in mileage one gets from a diesel. Now if I was full timing and doing a lot of driving I would probably own a diesel. I have to wonder though from the how fast do you tow threads it seems like most people on the board tow around 60 mph, well why do you need a big bad diesel truck if all you are going to do is putt down the road at 60, my Ram with a 27 foot toy hauler and 1300 lbs of ATV’s can top the sisters East of Evanston Wy at 65.

Well, hook a 14,000# fifth wheel behind that Hemi and then add a 5,000# boat to the back of the fifth wheel and tell me how well it can top the sisters east of Evanston. Sounds like when you finally hook to a real load you'll understand what a real truck sees.;)

This is where reading comprehension comes into play. I never said anything bad about diesels. I even stated that if I was full timing I would probably own a diesel but for general weekend trailer towing a diesel isn't worth it for me. I have towed with the biggest badest diesels on the market and yes they can tow a load, my old work rig was a diesel Ford Excursion which would top the sisters at 75 with pedal left towing a 34 foot bumper pull.

[gmcsmoke]

Likes to tow wrote:
We would all be better served if they stopped the torque/towing capacity race and concentrate on easily maintained dependable engines that a common middle class man could afford. $60 and $70k MSRP is a complete turn off for me!! I now use my 05 Ram Cummins for towing and heaving hauling only because it cost too much to replace. Profane prices for new diesels and trucks in general have caused me to rethink my daily driver requirements. At what price point is it no longer worth it? I think we are there now.

which one isn't easy to maintain and dependable now? Do your homework before spouting off; you can get a middle class diesel for far less than $70k

[Superduty123]

:BI am waiting for someone to break 450 HP and 900 lbs Torque. And then I will use it as my grocery getter 90% of the time

[cummins2014]

Cummins12V98 wrote:

up2nogood wrote:

travelnutz wrote:
To help Perrysburg Dodgeboy out just a little,

How ficticious is Ram's 865 torque claim? As proven: It can't even come close with their 850 claimed torque 6.7L to keeping up with the lowly GM 765 torque SAE actually certified 6.6L Duramax. Shows how cheap it is cheap words are to print that have nothing to back them up. Wild claims and fails when forced to perform against their actual competition. Even Ford's 6.7 laughs at the 6.7L Ram Cummins. As shown over and over, the Cummins has more than 100 lbs feet of real torque is missing when in competition in it's own class while sucking down lots more fuel as proven . An "F" again for failure and the constant misleading!

I too was totally convinced that GM was the way to go with all the hype on the challenges. What stood out the most when I drove a new 2014 Duramax was ,I will get used to it, everything from the crappy steering wheel to the uncomfortable seats, I just kept telling myself I will get used to it. Well I got lucky, they didn't have a truck with the options I wanted, and were looking for one. Went ,and drove a Ram while I was waiting for them to find a truck, and well the rest is history, and it is a towing beast, and if comes in second or third with 200 more lbs of torque I could care less. We forget in the real world those competitions are pretty meaningless , I nearly got caught up in them ,and purchased a GM, lucky me they didn't have the truck I wanted. I am sure the GM is a great truck, but not for me.


Oh, by the way, have no idea what the real world MPG are with ford, and chef, but the worst I have seen is 19, the best has been 21.5 highway . Towing so far 10-11 . Should improve with more miles on it.

Wow that is great mileage!

Very happy with the highway mileage did not expect it to be that good ,but thats what it is hand calculated. I don't drive it much around town, but it looks like about 15-16, not sure just haven't ran an entire tank around town. It seems to be getting a little better on the towing ,just over 11 coming back from a trip to Montana, prior to that it was just barely over 10 ( towing over 13K ) Seems that trip in Montana running around empty on the highways it is getting broke in a bit more. Going to southern Utah in about week will see how it does.

[45Ricochet]

FishOnOne wrote:
It's very interesting to read the Chevy, RAM and Ford forums on this topic for the 15 ft/lbs upgrade! Here's the list:

At the DieselPlace no mention of the RAM's extra 15 ft/lbs.

At the Cumminsforum Ian (IB516/Crashguy) post's this topic creating chaos.

At the Ford Truck Enthusiast it's no big deal.

Here's the links:

Cumminsforum

FTE

LOL
Did you break a leg or what? This time of year I don't have time to visit any Ram specific site, let only the other guys.
Come January it's a different story though :W

[Cummins12V98]

FishOnOne wrote:
It's very interesting to read the Chevy, RAM and Ford forums on this topic for the 15 ft/lbs upgrade! Here's the list:

At the DieselPlace no mention of the RAM's extra 15 ft/lbs.

At the Cumminsforum Ian (IB516/Crashguy) post's this topic creating chaos.

At the Ford Truck Enthusiast it's no big deal.

Here's the links:

Cumminsforum

FTE

Why don't you quote the most respected RAM/Cummins Forum turbodieselregister.com?

[larry_barnhart]

I have not seen anything about the HD tests except on rv.net. Must be a reason.

chevman

[FishOnOne]

It's very interesting to read the Chevy, RAM and Ford forums on this topic for the 15 ft/lbs upgrade! Here's the list:

At the DieselPlace no mention of the RAM's extra 15 ft/lbs.

At the Cumminsforum Ian (IB516/Crashguy) post's this topic creating chaos.

At the Ford Truck Enthusiast it's no big deal.

Here's the links:

Cumminsforum

FTE

[Likes_to_tow]

We would all be better served if they stopped the torque/towing capacity race and concentrate on easily maintained dependable engines that a common middle class man could afford. $60 and $70k MSRP is a complete turn off for me!! I now use my 05 Ram Cummins for towing and heaving hauling only because it cost too much to replace. Profane prices for new diesels and trucks in general have caused me to rethink my daily driver requirements. At what price point is it no longer worth it? I think we are there now.

[Cummins12V98]

up2nogood wrote:

travelnutz wrote:
To help Perrysburg Dodgeboy out just a little,

How ficticious is Ram's 865 torque claim? As proven: It can't even come close with their 850 claimed torque 6.7L to keeping up with the lowly GM 765 torque SAE actually certified 6.6L Duramax. Shows how cheap it is cheap words are to print that have nothing to back them up. Wild claims and fails when forced to perform against their actual competition. Even Ford's 6.7 laughs at the 6.7L Ram Cummins. As shown over and over, the Cummins has more than 100 lbs feet of real torque is missing when in competition in it's own class while sucking down lots more fuel as proven . An "F" again for failure and the constant misleading!

I too was totally convinced that GM was the way to go with all the hype on the challenges. What stood out the most when I drove a new 2014 Duramax was ,I will get used to it, everything from the crappy steering wheel to the uncomfortable seats, I just kept telling myself I will get used to it. Well I got lucky, they didn't have a truck with the options I wanted, and were looking for one. Went ,and drove a Ram while I was waiting for them to find a truck, and well the rest is history, and it is a towing beast, and if comes in second or third with 200 more lbs of torque I could care less. We forget in the real world those competitions are pretty meaningless , I nearly got caught up in them ,and purchased a GM, lucky me they didn't have the truck I wanted. I am sure the GM is a great truck, but not for me.


Oh, by the way, have no idea what the real world MPG are with ford, and chef, but the worst I have seen is 19, the best has been 21.5 highway . Towing so far 10-11 . Should improve with more miles on it.

Wow that is great mileage!

[cummins2014]

travelnutz wrote:
To help Perrysburg Dodgeboy out just a little,

How ficticious is Ram's 865 torque claim? As proven: It can't even come close with their 850 claimed torque 6.7L to keeping up with the lowly GM 765 torque SAE actually certified 6.6L Duramax. Shows how cheap it is cheap words are to print that have nothing to back them up. Wild claims and fails when forced to perform against their actual competition. Even Ford's 6.7 laughs at the 6.7L Ram Cummins. As shown over and over, the Cummins has more than 100 lbs feet of real torque is missing when in competition in it's own class while sucking down lots more fuel as proven . An "F" again for failure and the constant misleading!

I too was totally convinced that GM was the way to go with all the hype on the challenges. What stood out the most when I drove a new 2014 Duramax was ,I will get used to it, everything from the crappy steering wheel to the uncomfortable seats, I just kept telling myself I will get used to it. Well I got lucky, they didn't have a truck with the options I wanted, and were looking for one. Went ,and drove a Ram while I was waiting for them to find a truck, and well the rest is history, and it is a towing beast, and if comes in second or third with 200 more lbs of torque I could care less. We forget in the real world those competitions are pretty meaningless , I nearly got caught up in them ,and purchased a GM, lucky me they didn't have the truck I wanted. I am sure the GM is a great truck, but not for me.


Oh, by the way, have no idea what the real world MPG are with ford, and chef, but the worst I have seen is 19, the best has been 21.5 highway . Towing so far 10-11 . Should improve with more miles on it.