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Replace faucet/add shower valve

AnEv942
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Well- having recently completed some projects-primarily rebuilding our drivers side rear skirt-decided I was done for awhile-take a break (use it instead of working on it). The passenger side skirt could wait a while.

Then I broke the diverter faucet in our wet bath...


Always wanted to change the simple plastic faucet but it worked-
Our sink is tiny and the faucet protruding into it was not easy to use. I always thought Id add a bar type faucet when the factory one quit.
However now that I have a reason to change I was unable to locate one with a diverter for hand held shower. Which caused me to look at adding a separate valve for the shower. I found some nice extended height faucets but prices kinda set me back. Also on shower valves.
As not enough room on our sink cabinet on side, added valve would need to go on back wall where access would be a problem. Plus unsure with the depth of our sink a fixed higher spout might be more problematic.

Went round and around nixed the whole idea & decided to fix ours, reinstall temporarily and order a simple replacement. Sat the faucet on the sink, pulled the pex lines out enough to change the cone washers. Went to shop to get some sealant for faucet base, reentering the camper, I noted the faucet setting there as shown...



Umm-wow. Played with it for awhile and came to the conclusion if I moved the faucet over, whether extended height or simple replacement, this would be way easier to use. Id have to redo the pex lines because they wouldn't reach. Just cut off, add adapter and run flex lines. The left hole either plug or...add a soap dispenser. But now since considering reworking the plumbing any way-adding a separate shower valve wouldn't be that much more work..allow getting any faucet I want-get rid of the diverter faucet, the silly hose & head off the wall, better egress to sink..so got on line looking at faucets again.

After pricing valves plumbing pieces decided to get simple cheap plastic faucets for now, concentrate on replumbing. I can always drop in a nice faucet later. Found matching faucet, shower valve and a soap dispenser for under $40. Off to the hardware.

Pricing Sharkbite fittings this project almost went back to a simple faucet replacement. But I found and picked up Flair-It tees to adapt to the pex. About 1/3-1/4 the cost. If I were plumbing an inaccessible area or expedient repair I might use the sharkbites-but just couldn't justify for this.



Local store only had straight pex tees. So I re-manufactured into pex by IPS tees. They do make them. The caps on Flair-It tees are 1/2" IPS so loping off the barb allows direct connection of flex line after facing. Using shallow washers verse cone washers.


Second rework is I'm using a standard 4" 2handle shower valve. Space behind wall requires lines to turn 90ยฐ. Don't know why but I couldn't find simple water lines with a 90ยฐ end..too simple. Which leads to the tapered verse straight 1/2 IPS thread issue. Cant run a tapered pipe fitting onto faucet straight thread stems, wont seal. Simple fix, run a pipe die onto faucet threads & recut to a taper thread. Allow use of pvc street ell. I tried on old faucet, works.


Faced, beveled & polished ID of ells for cone washer of flex lines. Could have used a flat washer, but wanted to ensure they would reseal These may be made, don't know.



With plumbing solved & ready all I need are the faucets.
went ahead and cut holes for faucets. Ive done a few things to the camper over the years, but boring 1" holes into our shower stall honestly was the scariest thing Ive ever done to it.

Awaiting parts to arrive decided since camper down to 'knock out' the passenger side skirt. That was a mistake as I quickly ran into some issues once apart. Fortunately the faucets arrived, since I was at a stall on the skirt I returned inside camper to button up bath.

Installed the shower valve. Used Rectorseal #5 on plastic threads and thread on elbows. Getting the hot water flex line connected proved the most difficult, aligning, getting thread to start took almost an hour. Simply could not see or 'feel' alignment to engage the thread-was ready to pull elbow and install the flex to it, reinstall ell-then it finally caught-4 turns finger tight so I knew wasn't cross threaded. Cold went on like butter. Sometimes the simplest things...



Installed the sink faucet with out issues though again its the short metal caps of the flex lines I picked up made starting threads difficult. On the bench reassembly was a breeze- twisted up like a pretzel, guesstimating blindly alignment under sink was a task. Using lines with the larger deeper plastic caps are a lot easier to start where you cant see. Need to get a longer line for faucet cold side, its pushing the pex over trying to straighten out, added the zip tie till I get back to the hardware. But installed.



Nice. Installed the soap dispenser, Margaret filled with soap while I turned on water & bled out the system. After washing my hands checked all 10 connections for leaks-. Success whoo whoo



Moved the shower head holder and hose hoop. Found the towel ring we had picked up a few years ago but couldn't use because of the wall hung hose. Nice but using the sink with faucet off to side is sooo much nicer, actually put my face in the sink :). Should have broke the old faucet long time ago.
Only problem is now I have to finish the passenger side skirt this cause me to think I might as well start...
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Kayteg1
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Wackypup wrote:


I am going to replace the faucet with an old house faucet that I have laying around, and adding this faucet for the shower. I'm having a hard time figuring exactly how to mount it, but I think I've got it.




This is Chinese, thermostatic valve build to European codes.
When I love thermostatic feature, this valve is design to hang on pipe fittings inside shower stall.
Meaning not only pex tubing will not give it much support, but you will loose shower space as well.

Wackypup
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AnEv942 wrote:
Pricing Sharkbite fittings this project almost went back to a simple faucet replacement. But I found and picked up Flair-It tees to adapt to the pex. About 1/3-1/4 the cost. If I were plumbing an inaccessible area or expedient repair I might use the sharkbites-but just couldn't justify for this.



Local store only had straight pex tees. So I re-manufactured into pex by IPS tees. They do make them. The caps on Flair-It tees are 1/2" IPS so loping off the barb allows direct connection of flex line after facing. Using shallow washers verse cone washers....


THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS POST! And all the info & pictures. I just yanked the shower diverter off the faucet on our last trip - oops! (I also hated it - so not sad)

I am going to replace the faucet with an old house faucet that I have laying around, and adding this faucet for the shower. I'm having a hard time figuring exactly how to mount it, but I think I've got it.



Anyway, I just wanted to THANK YOU!! For the info on the flair-it fittings. I had bought a bunch of shark bite fittings, plus pex line because I had to use a T then an adapter to make it fit the sink. This is SUCH AN IMPROVEMENT! I never knew these existed. I'm off to a mobile home supplier Monday, hopefully, they will have them.

Thanks again,

Liz
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AnEv942
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popeyemth wrote:
That's what I was considering - but then an ell would be needed for the shower line.... .

There are shower valves, if it would help, that the outlet for hose turns 90ยฐ, sideways not vertical (like a deck mount diverter faucet). Used a lot on exterior showers. Some shower valves the outlet for the shower hose is a threaded elbow. threaded, Well looked for a link but all I found look like fixed 90 outlet or part of the valve.
Dura faucet.
My Phoenix shower valve has threaded outlet, but I dont see they sell 90 elbow, or a shower valve with 90 outlet.
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joeshmoe
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This is on my priority, to-do list. Can't stand the 2 handle lav/shower diverter setup I currently have. Thinking about going to a single handle lav. faucet w/aerator diverter.
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popeyemth
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That's what I was considering - but then an ell would be needed for the shower line .
I believe I'll just order one as cheap as they are so I an move it around in the shower .
I have a standard walled shower with panels mounted on two trailer walls - an end wall and a side wall ( on the camper) making a triangular shower with the curtain .
I'm gonna look hard at mounting on the medicine cabinet close by.
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DiskDoctr
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Our corner shower has a diagonal corner, maybe 6" wide. I was thinking that would allow enough room for plumbing.

AnEv942
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The shower valve I used the threaded shanks were 1 1/2" long verses the 2" used on the faucet. They could be cut a tad, 1/2" at max maybe allowing for line nut, mounting nuts. You would need to rechamfer the ID though for cone washer using direct water line connection. If building spacer could faucet sit on top/deck mount instead of wall mount?
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popeyemth
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"...Hmm external piping-be interesting install, not sure Im picturing as faucets are thru the wall or sink/counter. But yes the valve is direct to the shower head. ..."

I'm considering some kind of hollow spacer behind the valve to make room for water line hook up.
Thinking the valve itself could be located higher than normal to get it out of the way , maybe upside down in the corner with shower hose coming out of the bottom instead of the top.
Can the threaded ends on the faucets where the water lines attach be cut shorter?
That would gain a tad bit of room.

I too dislike the twist off shower heads so I have kept the factory plastic one on the end of the hose because it has a push on/push off valve built in.
"wine is a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy" ben franklin

AnEv942
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Hmm external piping-be interesting install, not sure Im picturing as faucets are thru the wall or sink/counter. But yes the valve is direct to the shower head.
If I had room as some, and I looked, I would have installed a self contained exterior shower box on side of cabinet. Be a clean install, the other 23 1/2 hours of the day all that would be visible is the door.

DiskDoctr: single lever shower valve? Look in the TCU thread, there are a couple of really nice shower valve installs. As to maintaining the temp-using the shower head is closest, though I can turn ours off-immediately back on and temp drops. Using the faucet youve got the water setting in hose that cools off, plus our diverter would reset? Where recirculation would be nice-at least water in lines up too faucet would stay hot. Ive not seen any faucets that mixture could be kept with separate flow on/off. Even if, once water stops flowing temp changes.
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DiskDoctr
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I am looking to do something similar, but trying to find a shower faucet with a lever diverter, like a bath/shower, but without the bath spout.

I built a custom shower for inlaws a few yrs ago amd redesigned the tub spout to connect a hand held shower. The shower setting then plumbed around the back of shower up to a middle rainfall showerhead.

I like the idea of a separate shower control so we don't have to reach out of shower curtain to sink to adjust temp and turn on/off.

Having difficulty finding shower control with hot/cold/on-off that keeps hot-cold ratio as we turn it on-off (instead of using oxygenic's slippery twist valve). Any help finding would be appreciated.

I do really like your mod. Looks great!

Edit: I gotta add, this was a GREAT writeup with lots of details. I may just steal it ๐Ÿ˜‰

popeyemth
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Thanks very much
I hate the diverter valve sink faucet in our camper .
The faucet not so much as the clunky diverter valve.
The shower valve you installed sends water directly to the shower head dosent it?
I don't have the housing you have to put a shower valve in but dislike ours so much I'm planning on surface mounting the water lines.
Thanks,Mike
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AnEv942
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Found the ones I used on & thru Amazon.com.
Faucets are Phoenix Catalina series, I guess why I like the look is they dont have the clear acrylic handles (and they were the cheapest I found).
LDR 501 P1050WT Soap Dispenser, White $13.72 Sold by Amazon.com. noted price dropped 12ยข?

Phoenix R0477-I White 4" Shower Valve $12.80 Sold by Amazon.com

Phoenix R4077-I White 4" Lavatory Faucet $13.05 Sold byAmazon.com

Faucet I kinda wanted was also a Phoenix, Tall Bathroom Faucet kinda in between a bar and standard-a little higher spout would be nice. Just unwilling to spend the money now-maybe later
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popeyemth
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"....After pricing valves plumbing pieces decided to get simple cheap plastic faucets for now, concentrate on replumbing. I can always drop in a nice faucet later. Found matching faucet, shower valve and a soap dispenser for under $40. Off to the hardware...."

Please share where you got your parts I'm gonna rebuild ours.
Thanks,Mike
"wine is a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy" ben franklin