Rivian Electric Truck takes on the Ike Gauntlet

[FishOnOne]

What a poor showing for the Rivian electric truck on the Ike Gauntlet test. The truck towing 8,100 lbs consumed 81% of battery capacity traveling 70 miles.

From this test it's clear that electric trucks are along ways from being used for tow vehicles including the charging stations that are not layed out to support charging a truck with a trailer in tow and this truck is not compatible with the Tesla charging stations is another big flaw.

Not sure how to quantify this test but I would consider calling it an epic fail.

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[ksss]

The Volt was a loser as far as profit, but I know several people that own them, one guy I know has two in his family. They do like them.

[time2roll]

FishOnOne wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
Dadoffourgirls,

I'm not a GM hater. But volt was a wrong path to a BEV.

I owned two GM products over the years and drove them both into the ground.

I recall reading every Volt GM sold had a $10,000 bill wrapped around it per say. GM made more money if they sold less Volts.

Yes and the even lower volume EV1 had at least $100,000 wrapped in it. That is why they had closed end leases.

[FishOnOne]

pianotuna wrote:
Dadoffourgirls,

I'm not a GM hater. But volt was a wrong path to a BEV.

I owned two GM products over the years and drove them both into the ground.

I recall reading every Volt GM sold had a $10,000 bill wrapped around it per say. GM made more money if they sold less Volts.

[pianotuna]

Dadoffourgirls,

I'm not a GM hater. But volt was a wrong path to a BEV.

I owned two GM products over the years and drove them both into the ground.

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Dadoffourgirls wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
Reisender,

GM called it a Bev--which it clearly was not.

For you GM haters, the Volt was only powered by battery. The range extending gasoline engine did not power the vehicle. Therefore, it was designated a BEV.

Except that is not true.

Yes the first 50 some miles was just electric, yes the engine could charge the battery, And yes the engine also directly powered the axle when the battery was getting low.

[Reisender]

Durb wrote:

Dadoffourgirls wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
Reisender,

GM called it a Bev--which it clearly was not.

For you GM haters, the Volt was only powered by battery. The range extending gasoline engine did not power the vehicle. Therefore, it was designated a BEV.

Couldn't be more wrong. Once the batteries are depleted in the Volt, the gasoline engine hooked up directly to the drive train and would offer another 300+ miles of range. An ingenious design.

Contrary to a subsequent post, the Bolt is not a hybrid. It has a battery and electric motors, that's all.

That was me. I typed bolt instead of volt. I have corrected it. Good eye.

[Durb]

Dadoffourgirls wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
Reisender,

GM called it a Bev--which it clearly was not.

For you GM haters, the Volt was only powered by battery. The range extending gasoline engine did not power the vehicle. Therefore, it was designated a BEV.

Couldn't be more wrong. Once the batteries are depleted in the Volt, the gasoline engine hooked up directly to the drive train and would offer another 300+ miles of range. An ingenious design.

Contrary to a subsequent post, the Bolt is not a hybrid. It has a battery and electric motors, that's all.

[Reisender]

Dadoffourgirls wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
Reisender,

GM called it a Bev--which it clearly was not.

For you GM haters, the Volt was only powered by battery. The range extending gasoline engine did not power the vehicle. Therefore, it was designated a BEV.

I get the technology and it worked great. Same for the BMW I3. But at least here it was never classified as a BEV. They are registered as hybrids here. At the time there were certain incentives for EV’s and a much smaller incentive for hybrids. They only qualified as hybrids.

It’s interesting that they were classified as BEV’s in some places. The volt t was a great car that was first to the table in terms of its series hybrid technology. Hybrids are losing their popularity but in my opinion will be around to some degree for decades.

All JMHO.

[Dadoffourgirls]

pianotuna wrote:
Reisender,

GM called it a Bev--which it clearly was not.

For you GM haters, the Volt was only powered by battery. The range extending gasoline engine did not power the vehicle. Therefore, it was designated a BEV.

[pianotuna]

Reisender,

GM called it a Bev--which it clearly was not.

[Reisender]

pianotuna wrote:

time2roll wrote:
I would take a hybrid if I could eliminate the multi-speed transmission, torque converter and reduce the engine by 50% or more.

That sounds similar to the volt car. I always thought it was a swindle to call it a BEV.

Hi Don. I’m not sure what people called it but here in BC it was also categorized as a PHEV and not a BEV.

[pianotuna]

time2roll wrote:
I would take a hybrid if I could eliminate the multi-speed transmission, torque converter and reduce the engine by 50% or more.

That sounds similar to the volt car. I always thought it was a swindle to call it a BEV.

[time2roll]

I would take a hybrid if I could eliminate the multi-speed transmission, torque converter and reduce the engine by 50% or more.

[blt2ski]

Reisender wrote:

I can’t speak to other EV’s but speed makes a huge difference for us. We live in BC where most of the interior secondary highways are 80 or 90 kmh and occasionally 100 kmh. The EPA rating for our car is 570 kilometres ish. Easy to achieve on secondary highways as all the little towns along the way cause you to slow down to 50 kmh quite often. But if travelling on the trans Canada or American interstates etc our range drops to probably 20 percent less than the EPA rating. Having said that our Jeep Grand Cherokee was about the same though. Speed really cuts into efficiency regardless of the fuel.

Not an expert. JMHO.

No different down here in the southern Salish Sea too. Today diesel is still the best fuel option for a vehicle if you want power, mpg and distance per fueling. That is not to say an EV won't get there....or be a bit less like gas is. Hybrids certainly have a place too! All or many the Washington st ferries are diesel hybrids. ALL of these fuel types have a place.
Speed, aerodynamics, tire type, wind against or with, road bed type, weight, to name a few things that cut into the generic term of mpg! its a how much or bad will it be.

Marty