Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035

[FishOnOne]

These are the states that have signed up to ban the sale of new cars starting in 2035.

All of the planned bans are in coastal states: In addition to California and Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Washington have made the commitment to stop allowing sales of new gas-powered vehicles after 2035.

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[Durb]

ktmrfs wrote:

Durb wrote:

ktmrfs wrote:
Been to china multiple times. Depends on where you are as far as visible polution as well as non visible but noticeable polution (eyes, lungs etc.) Some places are really bad, other places are comparable to most large U.S. cities.

But then in the U.S. places near coal fired plants have pretty bad visible and respiratory pollution as well. it's hard to clean up the pollution from coal fired plants, way worse than NG fired plants.

We had a relatively new coal fired plant about 150 miles from us. Every time we drove by it on our trips east the air was visibly darkened, sometimes pretty bad. Now that they have converted it to NG air is visibly clear whenever we drive by.

If you are referring to the Boardman coal fired plant, it closed two and a half years ago. Don't believe they ever converted to natural gas. The owner, Portland General Electric, closed the plant as it transitions to renewable energy sources, namely wind energy. The emissions of that plant were nothing compared to the sight of the hundreds of ugly wind turbines serving as a visual blight and destroying the view shed of nearby pristine country. Wind turbines have destroyed the beautiful vistas of the Eastern Columbia River Gorge. If the greenies weren't so anti fossil fuels, they would be protesting in the streets to remove the wind turbines.

PGE has two NG fired plants near boardman. Not sure if they were new plants replacing the boardman coal fired plant or reworking the boardman coal fired plant for NG, but non the less the coal fired plant(s) are gone and there is NG plants to replace it.

And from our traveling down the gorge, once boardman coal fired plant close, eureka, amazing difference in the air quality for 50+ miles around boardman

Don't know why wind turbines are painted white, it should be easy to make them less visible, not doubt. And it does distract from the view. However IMHO it's WAY better than the smog that enveloped the gourge from before boardman to north of tri cities on most days from the coal fired plant. We travel down that area dozens of times during they year and while boardman was operating we NEVER encountered anything resembling clean air, always either hazy or very hazy in that area. Not to mention the mercury emitted from coal fired plants.

Coalstrip in Montana with the coal fired plants is as bad or worse for smog and emissions.

I'll take the visual distraction from wind turbines any day over the smog from a coal fired plant.

Really? So much hyperbole and exaggeration. A single small coal fired plant polluted the air for 780 square miles in an area where the wind blows hard all the time? That is why the wind turbines are there. I too, traveled the gorge all the time as part of my job and never noticed the LA basin out there. Sometimes the air would be less clear, but that is from dust; a result of the farmers plowing their fields and the wind stirring it up. It is an agricultural area you know.

We camped at Boardman Marine and RV Park (very nice) numerous times before October 2020 when the plant closed. We were always graced with clear skies and beautiful sunsets; not a pool of smog.

There was a coal fired plant in Centralia, WA up north that converted to natural gas for financial reasons. I never heard anyone complain about a change in air quality as a result. The plant is in close proximity to two towns.

[time2roll]

No one developed asthma or died of lung issues due to the windmills. Just because your child does not struggle to cope with pollution does not mean thousands of others don't. Yet we still complain about the high cost of healthcare practically every day. There might be a better solution some day.

[ktmrfs]

Durb wrote:

ktmrfs wrote:
Been to china multiple times. Depends on where you are as far as visible polution as well as non visible but noticeable polution (eyes, lungs etc.) Some places are really bad, other places are comparable to most large U.S. cities.

But then in the U.S. places near coal fired plants have pretty bad visible and respiratory pollution as well. it's hard to clean up the pollution from coal fired plants, way worse than NG fired plants.

We had a relatively new coal fired plant about 150 miles from us. Every time we drove by it on our trips east the air was visibly darkened, sometimes pretty bad. Now that they have converted it to NG air is visibly clear whenever we drive by.

If you are referring to the Boardman coal fired plant, it closed two and a half years ago. Don't believe they ever converted to natural gas. The owner, Portland General Electric, closed the plant as it transitions to renewable energy sources, namely wind energy. The emissions of that plant were nothing compared to the sight of the hundreds of ugly wind turbines serving as a visual blight and destroying the view shed of nearby pristine country. Wind turbines have destroyed the beautiful vistas of the Eastern Columbia River Gorge. If the greenies weren't so anti fossil fuels, they would be protesting in the streets to remove the wind turbines.

When boardman was operating the "pristine view" down the gorge within 50 miles of Boardman was obliberated by the smog from boardman. It was hardly "pristine". Now at least the sky is clear all the way down the gorge. Oh..... it's worse, now the smog doesn't obsure the windmills!!!

PGE has two NG fired plants near boardman. Not sure if they were new plants replacing the boardman coal fired plant or reworking the boardman coal fired plant for NG, but non the less the coal fired plant(s) are gone and there is NG plants to replace it.

And from our traveling down the gorge, once boardman coal fired plant close, eureka, amazing difference in the air quality for 50+ miles around boardman

Don't know why wind turbines are painted white, it should be easy to make them less visible, not doubt. And it does distract from the view. However IMHO it's WAY better than the smog that enveloped the gourge from before boardman to north of tri cities on most days from the coal fired plant. We travel down that area dozens of times during they year and while boardman was operating we NEVER encountered anything resembling clean air, always either hazy or very hazy in that area. Not to mention the mercury emitted from coal fired plants.

Coalstrip in Montana with the coal fired plants is as bad or worse for smog and emissions.

I'll take the visual distraction from wind turbines any day over the smog from a coal fired plant.

[Durb]

ktmrfs wrote:
Been to china multiple times. Depends on where you are as far as visible polution as well as non visible but noticeable polution (eyes, lungs etc.) Some places are really bad, other places are comparable to most large U.S. cities.

But then in the U.S. places near coal fired plants have pretty bad visible and respiratory pollution as well. it's hard to clean up the pollution from coal fired plants, way worse than NG fired plants.

We had a relatively new coal fired plant about 150 miles from us. Every time we drove by it on our trips east the air was visibly darkened, sometimes pretty bad. Now that they have converted it to NG air is visibly clear whenever we drive by.

If you are referring to the Boardman coal fired plant, it closed two and a half years ago. Don't believe they ever converted to natural gas. The owner, Portland General Electric, closed the plant as it transitions to renewable energy sources, namely wind energy. The emissions of that plant were nothing compared to the sight of the hundreds of ugly wind turbines serving as a visual blight and destroying the view shed of nearby pristine country. Wind turbines have destroyed the beautiful vistas of the Eastern Columbia River Gorge. If the greenies weren't so anti fossil fuels, they would be protesting in the streets to remove the wind turbines.

[ktmrfs]

Been to china multiple times. Depends on where you are as far as visible polution as well as non visible but noticeable polution (eyes, lungs etc.) Some places are really bad, other places are comparable to most large U.S. cities.

But then in the U.S. places near coal fired plants have pretty bad visible and respiratory pollution as well. it's hard to clean up the pollution from coal fired plants, way worse than NG fired plants.

We had a relatively new coal fired plant about 150 miles from us. Every time we drove by it on our trips east the air was visibly darkened, sometimes pretty bad. Now that they have converted it to NG air is visibly clear whenever we drive by.

[Grit_dog]

^But that stuff cannot be recognized if you’re a perpetual hopes and dreams kinda person, like a few folks here.
To have any positive perspective about a country (leadership) as evil as China is borderline treason….not to mention just plain wrong and incorrect.
And if there was any doubt, 1 word will prove it. WUHAN!! Lol

[Geo_Boy]

BB_TX wrote:

free radical wrote:

BB_TX wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:

BB_TX wrote:
…The last new coal fired power plant to start up in the US was in 2013. And no plans for any new coal power plants. And not likely to get permits if they wanted to.

US only has about 500 coal fired power plants and those are slowly being shut down.

That just goes to prove how big of a SUCKER the US is. While we phase out coal, the rest of the world uses more and more. Look in the mirror, see that word stamped on your forehead? And don’t forget to keep putting them same people back in power.

If you have ever visited China you would probably be anti coal. Took a business trip there years ago with three co workers. Air was thick enough to cut. Took a train from Hong Kong to Guanghou passing some kind of coal plants. For probably a mile diameter around them the ground was black with coal dust. We all had respiratory issues for 3-4 weeks after our return. Our company’s business was in controls for power plants and I visited a lot of them. Retired now. US plants are much cleaner but still not a place you would likely choose to live near.

Fwiw
Last time I checked China is going solar wind hydro to lower the polution.

https://youtu.be/MIbbkW6dB98


https://youtu.be/4zt-SMlaaM8

Different info.
China coal power plants

THIS^^^^^, everyone I have ever meet that worked in China says the air is soooo bad that they had to go out into the country to get their lungs cleared. They are massive polluters and could care less about the environment.

[BB_TX]

free radical wrote:

BB_TX wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:

BB_TX wrote:
…The last new coal fired power plant to start up in the US was in 2013. And no plans for any new coal power plants. And not likely to get permits if they wanted to.

US only has about 500 coal fired power plants and those are slowly being shut down.

That just goes to prove how big of a SUCKER the US is. While we phase out coal, the rest of the world uses more and more. Look in the mirror, see that word stamped on your forehead? And don’t forget to keep putting them same people back in power.

If you have ever visited China you would probably be anti coal. Took a business trip there years ago with three co workers. Air was thick enough to cut. Took a train from Hong Kong to Guanghou passing some kind of coal plants. For probably a mile diameter around them the ground was black with coal dust. We all had respiratory issues for 3-4 weeks after our return. Our company’s business was in controls for power plants and I visited a lot of them. Retired now. US plants are much cleaner but still not a place you would likely choose to live near.

Fwiw
Last time I checked China is going solar wind hydro to lower the polution.

https://youtu.be/MIbbkW6dB98


https://youtu.be/4zt-SMlaaM8

Different info.
China coal power plants

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

free radical wrote:

BB_TX wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:

BB_TX wrote:
…The last new coal fired power plant to start up in the US was in 2013. And no plans for any new coal power plants. And not likely to get permits if they wanted to.

US only has about 500 coal fired power plants and those are slowly being shut down.

That just goes to prove how big of a SUCKER the US is. While we phase out coal, the rest of the world uses more and more. Look in the mirror, see that word stamped on your forehead? And don’t forget to keep putting them same people back in power.

If you have ever visited China you would probably be anti coal. Took a business trip there years ago with three co workers. Air was thick enough to cut. Took a train from Hong Kong to Guanghou passing some kind of coal plants. For probably a mile diameter around them the ground was black with coal dust. We all had respiratory issues for 3-4 weeks after our return. Our company’s business was in controls for power plants and I visited a lot of them. Retired now. US plants are much cleaner but still not a place you would likely choose to live near.

Fwiw
Last time I checked China is going solar wind hydro to lower the polution.

https://youtu.be/MIbbkW6dB98


https://youtu.be/4zt-SMlaaM8

Ya those Chineese are doing great things for the environment. Just look what their super cool dam is doing for the environment!!!

[free_radical]

BB_TX wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:

BB_TX wrote:
…The last new coal fired power plant to start up in the US was in 2013. And no plans for any new coal power plants. And not likely to get permits if they wanted to.

US only has about 500 coal fired power plants and those are slowly being shut down.

That just goes to prove how big of a SUCKER the US is. While we phase out coal, the rest of the world uses more and more. Look in the mirror, see that word stamped on your forehead? And don’t forget to keep putting them same people back in power.

If you have ever visited China you would probably be anti coal. Took a business trip there years ago with three co workers. Air was thick enough to cut. Took a train from Hong Kong to Guanghou passing some kind of coal plants. For probably a mile diameter around them the ground was black with coal dust. We all had respiratory issues for 3-4 weeks after our return. Our company’s business was in controls for power plants and I visited a lot of them. Retired now. US plants are much cleaner but still not a place you would likely choose to live near.

Fwiw
Last time I checked China is going solar wind hydro to lower the polution.

https://youtu.be/MIbbkW6dB98


https://youtu.be/4zt-SMlaaM8

[free_radical]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
Pretty easy to know California's position when it comes to emissions and ICE vehicles. Just assume the worst case/anti business scenario imaginable and you got your answer.

BTW Fish, did you know someone recorded you with your new Kalifornia neighbors? .

:B very funny vid
Honestly tho anyone thinking guns are solution to crime is nutz.

Go visit Japan or Singapore or Philipines or any asian country to see how safe it is without everyone packing heat.

Let you know their secret,,they execute drug pushers

https://youtu.be/EqojEHuCoVQ

[Cptnvideo]

No kidding, Huntindog. My Solitude was over $2000 the first year.
In Ohio, any pickup, car or RV registration is under $100, no matter year or price of the vehicle.
Ohio is taxing EVs since they don't pay state tax on gasoline.
What I don't like is the guvmint trying to force EVs on us. I won't buy one until it makes sense for me and right now it doesn't.

[Huntindog]

BCSnob wrote:
U Haul registers all their trucks in AZ (look it up). How does the lack of U Haul trucks in CA relate to CA regs on registrations?

I cannot fathom why they would choose AZ.
we get raped on vehicle registrations here.

[NamMedevac_70]

Well Grit Dog (**) I am a former full time RVer (travel trailer) and now a truck and tent camper. You seem to be more interested in other topics than RV stuff so lay off bud. You are desperately trying to be moderator and censor now. Who appointed you????. I backup many of my post with facts and links to recent business news articles about EV and ICE vehicles that may help the few or many that may be affected. I think your pettiness is over the top sport.

Also Mr. Slow I am now in the market for a small TT.

https://www.facebook.com/CaptBillPerkinsUNRescuePilot/photos/a.654012954708927/741426139300941/

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

That's true cptnvideo. LOL

Glad you like it Fish. Check out the rest of the videos they have. They are super funny and right on the money. With open boarders and the new grifters moving in I do wish you luck man. You will need it.