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obie311
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Wife likes a 5'er with a 16300# GVWR. Contemplating a RAM or GMC Diesel tow vehicle. Am I in DWR territory for sure? I don't want to strain drivetrain components or have white knuckle towing experiences.

Thanks for any advice.
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taken
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
taken wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I like the way the Ram's look but the plywood seating"

You really should take a test drive in a LongHorn I think you would change your mind.

Here is a pic to get you thinking.


I've been in them. Just way to firm for my taste. My wife's Durango 5.7 Citadel is the exact same way. The best leather I've ever felt but they forgot the padding. My Ford Lariat has garbage pleather but is so comfortable. I know it's not just me as I see it all over the Ram forums. Some guys say they soften with time. Some say they want to sell it's so bad. My wife is fine with her seats as she has more natural padding that my narrow behind. I can't go for a ride longer than an hour in it... Seating is very important to me...


Interesting. Our KR Ford friends commented several times how nice our 11 Longhorn seats were. Actually even they look about the same, the 15's seats are more "Supple" I would say compared tom the 11. I am guessing the KR leather must be fairly stiff?


Ram's leather is by far the best. Just like the wife's Durango. I just can't get past how firm they are. I don't have a KR, just a Lariat with fake leather. The Platinum has the best combo I've seen. Leather almost as good as yours and padding like mine. That's likely what I'll be getting next time around. Will have to see what's what this fall when Ford debuts the 2017 redesign at the Texas State Fair.
Regards, Rodney
TV - 2017 F350 SRW CC SB 4X4 6.7
TH - 2015 FR XLR 395AMP

taken
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Yes, with a dual axle, H tires and 8k axles are a must when you have a 21k GVWR. I can get away with GY G's.

I have a generator too along with 45 gallons of fuel. I think DRV rigs are just heavier to start with. Lots of home quality items that other brands don't have....
Regards, Rodney
TV - 2017 F350 SRW CC SB 4X4 6.7
TH - 2015 FR XLR 395AMP

Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Explorer III
taken wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I like the way the Ram's look but the plywood seating"

You really should take a test drive in a LongHorn I think you would change your mind.

Here is a pic to get you thinking.


I've been in them. Just way to firm for my taste. My wife's Durango 5.7 Citadel is the exact same way. The best leather I've ever felt but they forgot the padding. My Ford Lariat has garbage pleather but is so comfortable. I know it's not just me as I see it all over the Ram forums. Some guys say they soften with time. Some say they want to sell it's so bad. My wife is fine with her seats as she has more natural padding that my narrow behind. I can't go for a ride longer than an hour in it... Seating is very important to me...


Interesting. Our KR Ford friends commented several times how nice our 11 Longhorn seats were. Actually even they look about the same, the 15's seats are more "Supple" I would say compared tom the 11. I am guessing the KR leather must be fairly stiff?
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Cummins12V98
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taken wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Lantley wrote:
Taken I agree with you that the GVWR includes full tanks. However Cummins12V98 has a sharp looking combo. I don't mind if he likes posting pictures of it. His pictures gives me something to drool at.


Thanks! At least you are not rude.

Just making a point that it's VERY easy to exceed the GVWR.


I just got home from a trip with 1700# in the garage, 150 gallons of water on board, and two full fuel cells. Weighed on the way so everything including the truck was full. Still had 2k before I hit the RV's GVWR and was under the truck's GVWR too. Unless I took my cement block collection, I can't imagine getting to the RV's 21k GVWR. Every RV is different though so I guess there must be some out there that get maxed out quicker than others.


It's called full timing and haven a wife that is a Jewelry maker. Rocks are heavy. Generator and air compressor to name a few. Good thing I have GY "H" tires and MorRyde IS suspension!
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

taken
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Explorer
Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I like the way the Ram's look but the plywood seating"

You really should take a test drive in a LongHorn I think you would change your mind.

Here is a pic to get you thinking.


I've been in them. Just way to firm for my taste. My wife's Durango 5.7 Citadel is the exact same way. The best leather I've ever felt but they forgot the padding. My Ford Lariat has garbage pleather but is so comfortable. I know it's not just me as I see it all over the Ram forums. Some guys say they soften with time. Some say they want to sell it's so bad. My wife is fine with her seats as she has more natural padding that my narrow behind. I can't go for a ride longer than an hour in it... Seating is very important to me...
Regards, Rodney
TV - 2017 F350 SRW CC SB 4X4 6.7
TH - 2015 FR XLR 395AMP

Cummins12V98
Explorer III
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ChopperBill wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Anyone that believes that the RV just stops getting heavier when it reaches the GVWR is delusional.

Perfect example, 21K GVWR actually weighs about 23K with 100G water on board.

So I would advise a dually. Combo in pic is a one finger driver.


I'd advise against a one finger drive and I would worry more about the front axle than the rear. You may be doing that "white knuckle" deal I have been hearing about. LOL


I have to admit I was exaggerating a bit! One handed is not fibbing tho.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Cummins12V98
Explorer III
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"I like the way the Ram's look but the plywood seating"

You really should take a test drive in a LongHorn I think you would change your mind.

Here is a pic to get you thinking.

2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

taken
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Cummins12V98 wrote:

Nice looking combo!


Thank you very much... Really... They painted it to match my truck. Hope Ford doesn't drop Ingot Silver when I order my new one in a year or so!
Regards, Rodney
TV - 2017 F350 SRW CC SB 4X4 6.7
TH - 2015 FR XLR 395AMP

taken
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Explorer
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Lantley wrote:
Taken I agree with you that the GVWR includes full tanks. However Cummins12V98 has a sharp looking combo. I don't mind if he likes posting pictures of it. His pictures gives me something to drool at.


Thanks! At least you are not rude.

Just making a point that it's VERY easy to exceed the GVWR.


I just got home from a trip with 1700# in the garage, 150 gallons of water on board, and two full fuel cells. Weighed on the way so everything including the truck was full. Still had 2k before I hit the RV's GVWR and was under the truck's GVWR too. Unless I took my cement block collection, I can't imagine getting to the RV's 21k GVWR. Every RV is different though so I guess there must be some out there that get maxed out quicker than others.
Regards, Rodney
TV - 2017 F350 SRW CC SB 4X4 6.7
TH - 2015 FR XLR 395AMP

Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Explorer III
taken wrote:
Lantley wrote:
Taken I agree with you that the GVWR includes full tanks. However Cummins12V98 has a sharp looking combo. I don't mind if he likes posting pictures of it. His pictures gives me something to drool at.


Mine isn't all that hard to look at either. I just don't post it in every thread...




Nice looking combo!
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Cummins12V98
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Explorer III
jerem0621 wrote:
taken wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Anyone that believes that the RV just stops getting heavier when it reaches the GVWR is delusional.

Perfect example, 21K GVWR actually weighs about 23K with 100G water on board.

So I would advise a dually. Combo in pic is a one finger driver.


Complete nonsense. GVWR of an RV is meant to include the weight of all it's tanks full. They are part of it's payload. If you are at GVWR before your tanks are full, you are asking to be overloaded. Oh, and please post more pics of your truck and trailer. We need to see them constantly to ensure we recognize you as a man. Maybe I should post mine more and say I can drive it with my thing.


here is my one finger driver!!!




I am in a wonderful GCVWR of around 7800 lbs.... My entire rig is nearly the weight of Cummins Pin weight alone.

Love my rig though.

Thanks!

Jeremiah


That's a nice setup! I always wanted a TentTrailer but Western WA is not a good choice for one. Always rains when up in the Cascades. Then trying to get it dried out leads to mold.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Cummins12V98
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Explorer III
Lantley wrote:
Taken I agree with you that the GVWR includes full tanks. However Cummins12V98 has a sharp looking combo. I don't mind if he likes posting pictures of it. His pictures gives me something to drool at.


Thanks! At least you are not rude.

Just making a point that it's VERY easy to exceed the GVWR.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

FlatBroke
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lawnspecialties wrote:
I don't care about the "cool factor" here. I don't have this camper or either of these trucks anymore. But I can tell you first hand knowledge of what each one did and why I suggest what I do for the OP.

Here is the day we brought the Cyclone home. Afterwards, we had a race 200 miles away. On the way home, we hit a wicked storm traveling west to east as we were traveling north on I-85 near Lexington, NC. Although the crosswinds were tough, everything did great. During nice weather, traveling 70 mph was little to no effort at all. Unfortunately, a trip to the scales weeks later showed I was 1000 lbs. over on the rear axle of the truck. That was the only reason we traded her in.



This was about a month later. New F450. Plenty of room on the rear axle ratings now. But in all honesty: no difference in how it pulled regarding stability.



In the end, if you could discount the rear axle rating, the SRW is by far a better choice for me. Easier as a daily driver. Not a huge factor on keeping tire pressures equal. Not as fat in the hips for the McDonald's drive-thru. But since you can't eliminate the rear axle rating of the truck, you have to go with the DRW if your pin weight requires it.

Kind of a funny story here. My winter neighbor in AZ had an F450 and pulls a 36 Mobile Suites. And double tows a Can Am on a trailer. He traded for a newer F350 SRW. Wife wouldn't drive it and he got tired of driving it when he always stays in the same spot months at a time. He's a full timer. Said the same thing, can't tell the diffence in towing except it smother riding. Have no idea what his weights are, ain't my business. I did question him in my own mind, when he put on a goose neck hitch, again none of my business.

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transamz9
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Explorer
lawnspecialties wrote:
I don't care about the "cool factor" here. I don't have this camper or either of these trucks anymore. But I can tell you first hand knowledge of what each one did and why I suggest what I do for the OP.

Here is the day we brought the Cyclone home. Afterwards, we had a race 200 miles away. On the way home, we hit a wicked storm traveling west to east as we were traveling north on I-85 near Lexington, NC. Although the crosswinds were tough, everything did great. During nice weather, traveling 70 mph was little to no effort at all. Unfortunately, a trip to the scales weeks later showed I was 1000 lbs. over on the rear axle of the truck. That was the only reason we traded her in.



This was about a month later. New F450. Plenty of room on the rear axle ratings now. But in all honesty: no difference in how it pulled regarding stability.



In the end, if you could discount the rear axle rating, the SRW is by far a better choice for me. Easier as a daily driver. Not a huge factor on keeping tire pressures equal. Not as fat in the hips for the McDonald's drive-thru. But since you can't eliminate the rear axle rating of the truck, you have to go with the DRW if your pin weight requires it.


Thank you for your post! I agree that if you can't keep the axle weights in check then yes by all means you will need a truck with more payload. It really has nothing to do with how many tires are on the truck unless you want to run a road race through the curves. If you drive accordingly to the load you are pulling today's SRW truck will handle a 16,000# 5er just fine.
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