Well, today it happened!! ~Updated~

[_DJ_1]

Driving down the freeway got the message for low fuel pressure. Few seconds later in to limp mode. Barely got off the freeway safely. AAA towed my truck to the Dealer. My HPFP grenaded at 9300 miles!! Took the injectors with it along with a myriad of other junk. And I do mean JUNK. 2016 Suer Duty with 9300 miles!!! Run nothing but Chevron diesel from a high volume station.

I'm done!! Back to gas!! Don't care if I only climb the mtns at 45 MPH!!! :M:M:M

[dodge_guy]

Me Again wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
And here I am with a Ford V-10 and have never had one failure. I`ll take the bit lower fuel mileage over a diesel anyday!

Do the spark plugs stay on the wire when they blow out of the head? Just asking

Late 02 that problem was fixed. I have a late 02 V-10 and in 97k miles it’s never left me stranded. Now I have replaced the exhaust manifold studs, but that failure will not leave me stranded. And I did mine as preventative maintanance!

[transamz9]

FishOnOne wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Heck even my 98's WIF sensor went off when it had a 1/4 teaspoon of water in the filter housing. It was left over from the 30 gallons of water I pumped into my truck one morning. :M

So water get's into the fuel and then there is rust??? What the heck from???

I'm not talking about the old fuel systems. Even a 7.3PSD can engulf sand and water and not phase the injectors.

Think about the precision that the injectors have to be machined to hold 20k+ psi of fuel pressure on them without leaking, and then think about these precision surfaces with just a flake of rust that prevents them from seating properly. It doesn't take much and is the reason Ram went with a dual filter system like Ford.

A true water separator won't let water through. I never understood people saying the dealer told them rust was in the system. IDK, could be but not likely. My thoughts are that the filter stops the water and fuel to the pump. The pump that GM and Ford uses grenades when starved.

I still haven't really figured out why the V8s are having to run such high fuel pressures to make the same power as the 6. It takes so much fuel to make so much power. maybe someone could school me on this? I would think the volume of fuel it can put out at the required pressure would be the thing.

6.0 injectors are the same way. Run a 6.0 out of fuel and you just as well order some injectors.

It has nothing to do with a V8. Diesel fuel is difficult to atomize and atomized fuel burns cleaner with less soot and less soot means a more reliable emissions system. Hence the reason for the increase fuel injection pressure.

The 2.8 I4 Duramax in the Colorado runs 29k psi and its a inline engine.

More reliable emission system or more reliable injection system..........hhmmmm I'll take the injection system Jim! lol

[FishOnOne]

transamz9 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Heck even my 98's WIF sensor went off when it had a 1/4 teaspoon of water in the filter housing. It was left over from the 30 gallons of water I pumped into my truck one morning. :M

So water get's into the fuel and then there is rust??? What the heck from???

I'm not talking about the old fuel systems. Even a 7.3PSD can engulf sand and water and not phase the injectors.

Think about the precision that the injectors have to be machined to hold 20k+ psi of fuel pressure on them without leaking, and then think about these precision surfaces with just a flake of rust that prevents them from seating properly. It doesn't take much and is the reason Ram went with a dual filter system like Ford.

A true water separator won't let water through. I never understood people saying the dealer told them rust was in the system. IDK, could be but not likely. My thoughts are that the filter stops the water and fuel to the pump. The pump that GM and Ford uses grenades when starved.

I still haven't really figured out why the V8s are having to run such high fuel pressures to make the same power as the 6. It takes so much fuel to make so much power. maybe someone could school me on this? I would think the volume of fuel it can put out at the required pressure would be the thing.

6.0 injectors are the same way. Run a 6.0 out of fuel and you just as well order some injectors.

It has nothing to do with a V8. Diesel fuel is difficult to atomize and atomized fuel burns cleaner with less soot and less soot means a more reliable emissions system. Hence the reason for the increase fuel injection pressure.

The 2.8 I4 Duramax in the Colorado runs 29k psi and its a inline engine.

[transamz9]

Groover wrote:

Me Again wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
And here I am with a Ford V-10 and have never had one failure. I`ll take the bit lower fuel mileage over a diesel anyday!

Do the spark plugs stay on the wire when they blow out of the head? Just asking

That problem was solved after the first two years. I had a 2003 model and drove it 12 years with no issues then sold it. My brother had one of the early models that was supposedly horrible and he drove his about the same length of time and sold it with no issues. It sounds to us like something blown way out of proportion by fanboys. Either that or gorillas changing spark plugs without following instructions.

My old boss's truck was an 02 5.4. Every 100,000 miles it would blow a plug. I seen him a couple weeks ago and he's still running it. He was at 525,000 miles.

[transamz9]

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Heck even my 98's WIF sensor went off when it had a 1/4 teaspoon of water in the filter housing. It was left over from the 30 gallons of water I pumped into my truck one morning. :M

So water get's into the fuel and then there is rust??? What the heck from???

I'm not talking about the old fuel systems. Even a 7.3PSD can engulf sand and water and not phase the injectors.

Think about the precision that the injectors have to be machined to hold 20k+ psi of fuel pressure on them without leaking, and then think about these precision surfaces with just a flake of rust that prevents them from seating properly. It doesn't take much and is the reason Ram went with a dual filter system like Ford.

A true water separator won't let water through. I never understood people saying the dealer told them rust was in the system. IDK, could be but not likely. My thoughts are that the filter stops the water and fuel to the pump. The pump that GM and Ford uses grenades when starved.

I still haven't really figured out why the V8s are having to run such high fuel pressures to make the same power as the 6. It takes so much fuel to make so much power. maybe someone could school me on this? I would think the volume of fuel it can put out at the required pressure would be the thing.

6.0 injectors are the same way. Run a 6.0 out of fuel and you just as well order some injectors.

[Groover]

Me Again wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
And here I am with a Ford V-10 and have never had one failure. I`ll take the bit lower fuel mileage over a diesel anyday!

Do the spark plugs stay on the wire when they blow out of the head? Just asking

That problem was solved after the first two years. I had a 2003 model and drove it 12 years with no issues then sold it. My brother had one of the early models that was supposedly horrible and he drove his about the same length of time and sold it with no issues. It sounds to us like something blown way out of proportion by fanboys. Either that or gorillas changing spark plugs without following instructions.

[Cummins12V98]

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Heck even my 98's WIF sensor went off when it had a 1/4 teaspoon of water in the filter housing. It was left over from the 30 gallons of water I pumped into my truck one morning. :M

So water get's into the fuel and then there is rust??? What the heck from???

I'm not talking about the old fuel systems. Even a 7.3PSD can engulf sand and water and not phase the injectors.

Think about the precision that the injectors have to be machined to hold 20k+ psi of fuel pressure on them without leaking, and then think about these precision surfaces with just a flake of rust that prevents them from seating properly. It doesn't take much and is the reason Ram went with a dual filter system like Ford.

You mean Ford went with a similar system to RAM. My point is my OLD system let me know there was water so I could deal with it. New systems should be better, as they now are.

[FishOnOne]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Heck even my 98's WIF sensor went off when it had a 1/4 teaspoon of water in the filter housing. It was left over from the 30 gallons of water I pumped into my truck one morning. :M

So water get's into the fuel and then there is rust??? What the heck from???

I'm not talking about the old fuel systems. Even a 7.3PSD can engulf sand and water and not phase the injectors.

Think about the precision that the injectors have to be machined to hold 20k+ psi of fuel pressure on them without leaking, and then think about these precision surfaces with just a flake of rust that prevents them from seating properly. It doesn't take much and is the reason Ram went with a dual filter system like Ford.

[Cummins12V98]

Heck even my 98's WIF sensor went off when it had a 1/4 teaspoon of water in the filter housing. It was left over from the 30 gallons of water I pumped into my truck one morning. :M

So water get's into the fuel and then there is rust??? What the heck from???

[goducks10]

hone eagle wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

mich800 wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
I'm brand loyal when the brand I buy doesn't fail. That's how a company makes me want to buy another one.

Treating me decently when a known problem rears its ugly head, rather than fixing said problem before I have to deal with it doesn't make me brand loyal, it makes me look for alternatives. I have no real favorites when it comes to trucks, I own a Ford and a Dodge.

Might want to take up walking as they all have known failure points.

When a company has had problems with a part that causes such devastating and expensive problems for 7 years and the customers are worried and not sure if the company will back their product is crazy. If I was scared that Ram was not going to back my truck I would be shopping right now for another brand. I definitely would not buy from them again and I definitely would not step down in capabilities to stay with them. People can make fun of my recalls but at least I don't have to worry if they are going to back their product.

Then I hope you don't have to deal with fuel contamination because Ram, GM and Ford techs all look for signs of contamination before any warranty work is approved plain and simple. If your fuel system gets a taste of water, rust will follow and a complete fuel system is in your cards.

As for the problems they're not widespread like you and others portray and most people don't live in fear including myself.

The Ford fanboys love to poke fun at the GM DEF
fill location. (under the hood) But I have NEVER read of an account where a GM owner mistakenly put DEF in the diesel tank... Perhaps GM knows a thing or two about the likely hood of people making a mistake.

I do not know about the Rams, but the Ford forums have had MANY reports from people that did just that.

Is that why GM moved it for the next model?

x2

[Me_Again]

dodge guy wrote:
And here I am with a Ford V-10 and have never had one failure. I`ll take the bit lower fuel mileage over a diesel anyday!

Do the spark plugs stay on the wire when they blow out of the head? Just asking

[dodge_guy]

And here I am with a Ford V-10 and have never had one failure. I`ll take the bit lower fuel mileage over a diesel anyday!

[hone_eagle]

Huntindog wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

mich800 wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
I'm brand loyal when the brand I buy doesn't fail. That's how a company makes me want to buy another one.

Treating me decently when a known problem rears its ugly head, rather than fixing said problem before I have to deal with it doesn't make me brand loyal, it makes me look for alternatives. I have no real favorites when it comes to trucks, I own a Ford and a Dodge.

Might want to take up walking as they all have known failure points.

When a company has had problems with a part that causes such devastating and expensive problems for 7 years and the customers are worried and not sure if the company will back their product is crazy. If I was scared that Ram was not going to back my truck I would be shopping right now for another brand. I definitely would not buy from them again and I definitely would not step down in capabilities to stay with them. People can make fun of my recalls but at least I don't have to worry if they are going to back their product.

Then I hope you don't have to deal with fuel contamination because Ram, GM and Ford techs all look for signs of contamination before any warranty work is approved plain and simple. If your fuel system gets a taste of water, rust will follow and a complete fuel system is in your cards.

As for the problems they're not widespread like you and others portray and most people don't live in fear including myself.

The Ford fanboys love to poke fun at the GM DEF
fill location. (under the hood) But I have NEVER read of an account where a GM owner mistakenly put DEF in the diesel tank... Perhaps GM knows a thing or two about the likely hood of people making a mistake.

I do not know about the Rams, but the Ford forums have had MANY reports from people that did just that.

Is that why GM moved it for the next model?

[Huntindog]

FishOnOne wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

mich800 wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
I'm brand loyal when the brand I buy doesn't fail. That's how a company makes me want to buy another one.

Treating me decently when a known problem rears its ugly head, rather than fixing said problem before I have to deal with it doesn't make me brand loyal, it makes me look for alternatives. I have no real favorites when it comes to trucks, I own a Ford and a Dodge.

Might want to take up walking as they all have known failure points.

When a company has had problems with a part that causes such devastating and expensive problems for 7 years and the customers are worried and not sure if the company will back their product is crazy. If I was scared that Ram was not going to back my truck I would be shopping right now for another brand. I definitely would not buy from them again and I definitely would not step down in capabilities to stay with them. People can make fun of my recalls but at least I don't have to worry if they are going to back their product.

Then I hope you don't have to deal with fuel contamination because Ram, GM and Ford techs all look for signs of contamination before any warranty work is approved plain and simple. If your fuel system gets a taste of water, rust will follow and a complete fuel system is in your cards.

As for the problems they're not widespread like you and others portray and most people don't live in fear including myself.

The Ford fanboys love to poke fun at the GM DEF
fill location. (under the hood) But I have NEVER read of an account where a GM owner mistakenly put DEF in the diesel tank... Perhaps GM knows a thing or two about the likely hood of people making a mistake.

I do not know about the Rams, but the Ford forums have had MANY reports from people that did just that.

[4x4ord]

Ron3rd wrote:

Tom/Barb wrote:
You got my curiosity up, So I went and looked.
NEW TRUCK

By the time you add sales tax, license, (in Smohomish County). dealer prep. extend warrantee, you are pushing 70k out the door.

only to blow up in under 10k miles.

Sales tax would be $5411.

Could be true, my experience in shopping around was the Ford diesels were about 10 grand more than a comparable equipped Cummins

I only paid about 2k more for my Ford than I could have bought a fully loaded Ram Laramie Limited for. The Ram was 69k which was over 20k off msrp.